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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Spijed » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:12 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:09 pm
I feel less confident about staying up than I have in any other Dyche-managed season in the PL. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see us getting the points to do it.
I remember the meltdown in June earlier this year when we lost 5-0 to City. We then went on a fantastic run.

Time will tell if we can do the same.

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by HunterST_BFC » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:15 pm

Grealish is a Fanny

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Vino blanco » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:16 pm

I wish the Fanny played for us.
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Re: Tonight's football

Post by tiger76 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:17 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:11 pm
Funny how the bookies still think we're more likely to stay up than go down. Should be some money to be made if all those saying we're doomed are right.
I think we'll stay up, but it won't be as comfortable as we normally manage, probably go down to the last couple of games.

As for who goes I'd predict Sheff Utd, Brighton & Fulham, but it'll go right to the wire between the bottom 5, and if we're going to mount a successful survival campaign then we'll need to be lucky with injuries post-Xmas, and probably add one or two in January, our squad is wafer thin, and sooner or later this will catch up with us.

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:22 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:17 pm
I think we'll stay up, but it won't be as comfortable as we normally manage, probably go down to the last couple of games.

As for who goes I'd predict Sheff Utd, Brighton & Fulham, but it'll go right to the wire between the bottom 5, and if we're going to mount a successful survival campaign then we'll need to be lucky with injuries post-Xmas, and probably add one or two in January, our squad is wafer thin, and sooner or later this will catch up with us.
But you're one of the sensible ones.

Sheff Utd, WBA and Fulham for me.

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Dyched » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:31 pm

Declan Rice is a right tit

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Elizabeth » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:33 pm

You’ve just got to throw yourself on the ground .
Justice done

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by NewClaret » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:38 pm

Dyched wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:31 pm
Declan Rice is a right tit
Looks more like a left tit to me...

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by chekhov » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:53 pm

Yet another ridiculous decision.

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Elizabeth » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:54 pm

Please don’t blame VAR

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by BurnleyFC » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:55 pm

It’ll be our defence (again) that keeps us up this season, if indeed we manage to survive.

We look the most toothless attacking side in the league, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by chekhov » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:55 pm

(for the disallowed goal)

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Vino blanco » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:58 pm

I enjoyed the West Ham/Villa game. Two teams playing football on the deck, end to end, quite a few good chances at either end. Decent to watch.

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by HunterST_BFC » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:59 pm

So much diving and faking in this game........................... :oops: .

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by chekhov » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:02 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:54 pm
Please don’t blame VAR
Got to blame VAR for that. How can anyone be sure that was offside. We’re talking millimetres. The advantage should be with the attacker, plus the whole charade took nearly 5 minutes. Honestly it’s a joke.

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by HunterST_BFC » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:08 pm

chekhov wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:02 pm
Got to blame VAR for that. How can anyone be sure that was offside. We’re talking millimetres. The advantage should be with the attacker, plus the whole charade took nearly 5 minutes. Honestly it’s a joke.
Agree ^^^
Plus had he not scored would VAR have been used to show he was being held just before scoring and onside and given a Penalty?

So "If" you call that no Goal for offside you have to give a Pen??

It's a FVARSE

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:20 pm

HunterST_BFC wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:08 pm
Agree ^^^
Plus had he not scored would VAR have been used to show he was being held just before scoring and onside and given a Penalty?

So "If" you call that no Goal for offside you have to give a Pen??

It's a FVARSE
No you got it right with your earlier post about diving and faking ............... very sterile game these days.
I wonder if they have caught the sniper yet?

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:28 pm

Watched most games this season,we look well behind most teams this season,its going to be very difficult to stay in this league this season,West Ham & Villa who you can generally rely on to finish below us will be nowhere near the bottom six...looking pretty grim really 😕
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Re: Tonight's football

Post by DomBFC1882 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:31 pm

Its literally down to us, Fulham, sheff utd, Brighton and wba for me. The rest are miles better and the league shows that now and will do come May 21

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:35 pm

HunterST_BFC wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:15 pm
Grealish is a Fanny
The woman that cleans his kit must be really plsssed off with him rolling about the grass every three minutes,when he stays on his feet he really is a fantastic footballer way to good to be playing for Villa

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:37 pm

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:31 pm
Its literally down to us, Fulham, sheff utd, Brighton and wba for me. The rest are miles better and the league shows that now and will do come May 21
Even Fulham look a better outfit than us which is quite alarming because Fulham are shite

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by leelad » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:42 pm

Top 8 teams separated by 6 points after 10 games. It would be interesting to compare this points difference in the top 8 after 10 gamea to previous seasons.

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by DomBFC1882 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:53 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:37 pm
Even Fulham look a better outfit than us which is quite alarming because Fulham are shite
I prefer Fulhams attack but our defence Steve excluding Saturday of course
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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:17 pm

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:53 pm
I prefer Fulhams attack but our defence Steve excluding Saturday of course
Combine Fulham & Us,i still dont think it would be enough for that team to stay up,we look really poor compared to the rest of the division

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by HunterST_BFC » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:42 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:20 pm
No you got it right with your earlier post about diving and faking ............... very sterile game these days.
I wonder if they have caught the sniper yet?
Re my earlier post regards goal or pen...

This now been said by Dean Smith. He is right.

https://twitter.com/5liveSport/status/1 ... 6810427392

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Dyched » Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:26 am

leelad wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:42 pm
Top 8 teams separated by 6 points after 10 games. It would be interesting to compare this points difference in the top 8 after 10 gamea to previous seasons.
I was expecting the league to be far more compact this season. Due to home advantage not being anyway near as effective and I also can’t see a runaway title winner like last season and Liverpool/Man City the year before.

The table looks a bit back to front at the moment. As in, instead of the top 6 breaking away from the pack it’s the pack breaking away and leaving the bottom 6 so to speak. I know it’s not always as straight forward as that and not much in it point wise. But in grand national terms the top 14 have got away relatively well and starting to leave behind the others. Results like tonight keep happening to. West Ham winning the team above them etc. Nobody’s being consistent from one week to the other. Villa get some great wins then lose a few, same can be said for plenty of them. Teams that you expect to struggle are picking up points every 2 weeks or so, teams like Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal have been dropping points. It should be tight come May.
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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:37 am

When you see Fulham get a well earned win, by sticking to their football principles, it irks.
Weve always been solid, at our best controlling games on the back foot, but our lack of intent going forward is shocking.
At football we look miles behind every other team in the league, including Fulham, West Brom even Sheff Utd.
We have lost our mojo, and unless we find it again we are doomed. We have to be committed to attack, even if we only have 25% possession, we have to get numbers forward to influence the game.
I'd never knock the players, I'm sure they give 100%, but SDs negative tactics are starting to hurt us. Unless we pose a threat, every team can ignore the defence and just lay siege to our goal.
We have the players, they've shown it before, we just need to get the bloody shackles off them.

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by MACCA » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:20 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:37 am
When you see Fulham get a well earned win, by sticking to their football principles, it irks.
Weve always been solid, at our best controlling games on the back foot, but our lack of intent going forward is shocking.
At football we look miles behind every other team in the league, including Fulham, West Brom even Sheff Utd.
We have lost our mojo, and unless we find it again we are doomed. We have to be committed to attack, even if we only have 25% possession, we have to get numbers forward to influence the game.
I'd never knock the players, I'm sure they give 100%, but SDs negative tactics are starting to hurt us. Unless we pose a threat, every team can ignore the defence and just lay siege to our goal.
We have the players, they've shown it before, we just need to get the bloody shackles off them.
But as SD always has done, the first aim is nil to the opposition if that happens we gain at least a draw.
We spend so much time on the training ground on framework and defensive drills, actually attacking is always a 2nd thought.
( which you see when the few attacking players get the ball, its check back and restart on the turn over )

Its great when you nick one to get in front, as the game plan doesn't change and we just have to do what we have set out to do, its when we need to react to either being behind or the opposition changing formation, styles on the pitch we seem to be a bit lost.
There's a reason we have quite a poor record when it comes to winning when we have gone behind, yet the flip side is we don't often lose when in front either.


SD is not an attack minded coach who wants to play football on the front foot, we rarely have prolonged periods of pressure, we rely on 2nd balls and 2nd phase play.
We play a lot of percentage football, rather than balls to feet, so we cannot actually control the pace or "feel" of the game.

But its been like that for 8 years, and is always highlighted more when on a bad run, as results often mask performances with styles like the one SD likes us to play.

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Re: Tonight's football

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:03 am

MACCA wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:20 am
But as SD always has done, the first aim is nil to the opposition if that happens we gain at least a draw.
We spend so much time on the training ground on framework and defensive drills, actually attacking is always a 2nd thought.
( which you see when the few attacking players get the ball, its check back and restart on the turn over )

Its great when you nick one to get in front, as the game plan doesn't change and we just have to do what we have set out to do, its when we need to react to either being behind or the opposition changing formation, styles on the pitch we seem to be a bit lost.
There's a reason we have quite a poor record when it comes to winning when we have gone behind, yet the flip side is we don't often lose when in front either.


SD is not an attack minded coach who wants to play football on the front foot, we rarely have prolonged periods of pressure, we rely on 2nd balls and 2nd phase play.
We play a lot of percentage football, rather than balls to feet, so we cannot actually control the pace or "feel" of the game.

But its been like that for 8 years, and is always highlighted more when on a bad run, as results often mask performances with styles like the one SD likes us to play.
I agree with most of that, but it hasn't been like this today, for 8 years. Where are the men to pick up the second ball. Who is recycling it. Who is taking a man on. Who is making the run into the box to get on the end of a cross.
The negative football is palpable, way beyond anything we have been served up in the past. I've never complained about our 'football', because I've always understood that you can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear. BUT we have taken massive steps backwards this season, it isn't all down to injuries either, its almost as if we have forgotten how to attack.
I dont want to go down, but accept its the real possibility that comes with supporting any club, but if we are going down I dont want to go down with a whimper. Let's have some positivity.
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