Lava Ignite Building

[arise_sir_charge]

It’s down to money I think generally speaking, £4 or in excess for little bottles of beer & then queueing up & then admission prices, people just cannot afford it regular nowadays even as a 1 off it’s a stretch, you fix it by dropping the prices substantially, there’s no logical reason taking into consideration what it costs to produce why people need to be paying more than £1 a pint in any pub or restaurant.

Are you suggesting that pubs and restaurants should be selling beer at £1 a pint?

Please let me know which brewery you can source this from. I've some business to put their way.

[Jakubclaret]

Are you suggesting that pubs and restaurants should be selling beer at £1 a pint?

Please let me know which brewery you can source this from. I've some business to put their way.

Yes I certainly am, I’m suggesting the government set the level capped, perhaps more for wine & spirits, there’s no reason why a pint of lager or bitter should cost more than £1 I can brew it myself for about 30p a pint on a small scale so on a large scale it’ll cost carlsberg etc 10p or thereabouts maybe not even that much on a massive scale.

[TheFamilyCat]

Beer prices should be set by a public vote.

[ChrisG]

Yes I certainly am, I’m suggesting the government set the level capped, perhaps more for wine & spirits, there’s no reason why a pint of lager or bitter should cost more than £1 I can brew it myself for about 30p a pint on a small scale so on a large scale it’ll cost carlsberg etc 10p or thereabouts maybe not even that much on a massive scale.

I don't even know where to start explaining how wrong you are.

Say using your figure, 10p a pint cost. Add on the brewers profit.

Then transporting the beer to the pub. Pub overheads, rent, electricity, heating, water, rates, staff etc. Profit for the pub.

Then beer duty (set by the government) which is 54p per pint for a 5% beer. Plus VAT at 20%.

An 11 gallon keg of Carlsberg is circa £90 if you are free of tie. If you are tied to a brewery or pub co, it could be £140. That's nearly £1.75 a pint before any VAT, overheads or profit. So no, pubs can't sell beer at a quid a pint and survive.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Went out a few years back on a Friday night, think we were playing Leeds Saturday lunchtime so maybe that had something to do with it, but town was dead.

Sanctuary wanted 2 quid entry to watch some sad cases mime as if they were doing karaoke, then there was a wet t-shirt competition.

It was beyond shite, and even then it was the busiest place we saw all night, although that owed more to how quiet the rest were.

[JoeAM89]

Already closed.

Has that been confirmed? I was saying to a mate the other night that I’d be surprised if The Talbot ever opened again.

[clarethomer]

I don't even know where to start explaining how wrong you are.

Say using your figure, 10p a pint cost. Add on the brewers profit.

Then transporting the beer to the pub. Pub overheads, rent, electricity, heating, water, rates, staff etc. Profit for the pub.

Then beer duty (set by the government) which is 54p per pint for a 5% beer. Plus VAT at 20%.

An 11 gallon keg of Carlsberg is circa £90 if you are free of tie. If you are tied to a brewery or pub co, it could be £140. That's nearly £1.75 a pint before any VAT, overheads or profit. So no, pubs can't sell beer at a quid a pint and survive.

And that's not even considering the social impact this would have if this was even possible.

[jrgbfc]

Has that been confirmed? I was saying to a mate the other night that I’d be surprised if The Talbot ever opened again.

Yeah I thought the same, still be gutted if its shut for good though. No activity on their Facebook page since September which isn't a good sign.

[NewClaret]

Do think the supermarket prices play a part. But I think a bigger factor is changing tastes and social media.

When I used to go out, everyone went to normal pubs/bars and drank normal drinks. Now everyone wants to go for a posh meal and photograph their beautifully presented food for the world to see on Instagram, then go and sit in bar drinking £12 cocktails and photographing themselves some more. Those high end places only exist in Manchester, so people would rather go there less frequently.

Going out also used to be the only opportunity to pull. At least it did in my case because I relied on them being drunk Now you do the dating on your phone during the week and take the said lucky lady to one of the above places to impress her at the weekend. No need to hang around bars until 2pm!

Shame for our town centres though, especially when the retailers are also deserting them!

[JoeAM89]

Yeah I thought the same, still be gutted if its shut for good though. No activity on their Facebook page since September which isn't a good sign.

Aye you’d think they’d be flooding their page with positive messages if they were planning to reopen. Can’t see the Coach & Horses across the road opening either.

[jrgbfc]

Do think the supermarket prices play a part. But I think a bigger factor is changing tastes and social media.

When I used to go out, everyone went to normal pubs/bars and drank normal drinks. Now everyone wants to go for a posh meal and photograph their beautifully presented food for the world to see on Instagram, then go and sit in bar drinking £12 cocktails and photographing themselves some more. Those high end places only exist in Manchester, so people would rather go there less frequently.

Going out also used to be the only opportunity to pull. At least it did in my case because I relied on them being drunk Now you do the dating on your phone during the week and take the said lucky lady to one of the above places to impress her at the weekend. No need to hang around bars until 2pm!

Shame for our town centres though, especially when the retailers are also deserting them!

Yeah I think that's definetely something to do with it. In the past if you wanted to keep in touch with your mates or go on the pull you had to go out. Now you can do it without leaving your house, that's what the younger generation are used to and they don't know any different.

[arise_sir_charge]

I don't even know where to start explaining how wrong you are.

Say using your figure, 10p a pint cost. Add on the brewers profit.

Then transporting the beer to the pub. Pub overheads, rent, electricity, heating, water, rates, staff etc. Profit for the pub.

Then beer duty (set by the government) which is 54p per pint for a 5% beer. Plus VAT at 20%.

An 11 gallon keg of Carlsberg is circa £90 if you are free of tie. If you are tied to a brewery or pub co, it could be £140. That's nearly £1.75 a pint before any VAT, overheads or profit. So no, pubs can't sell beer at a quid a pint and survive.

Thanks Chris, saved me the bother!

[cricketfieldclarets]

Used to be A great night. Many of the pubs didn’t help themselves though nor did their choice of bouncers.

That coupled with new habits. New opening times. Smoking ban. Social media etc and no wonder.

Then we are a healthier generation. Than ever before.

To me nothing can replace spontaneous nights / days out. But them days are few and far between.

Social media has killed it though. Especially with the amount of time people spend on it now. Why spend £4 a pint to be anti social when you can do it at home. People genuinely used to go out for the music. Or the socialising. Now if they go out it seems like it’s go tell people they went out.

The sort of nightlife you used to see in Burnley is long gone these days.

It was great while it lasted.

[Claretincraven]

Pub Cos are a significant part of the problem, and something should be done about them. Having charged the tenant rent, and the more successful you are the more they charge you, they then charge you almost 50p per pint more than the normal retail price for the beer you have to buy through them. They go to all sorts of lengths to make sure you dont sneak bottles etc not supplied by them into the pub, like different designed bottle tops on beers etc to what they are in supermarkets. Should be regulated to stop this happening.

[Pstotto]

It's not a one year plan to destroy culture, it's planned over generations.

The music is like books at Waterstones. You can write a book but who distributes it?

You go to see rock at Preston Guildhall in the 70s, it's Harvey Goldsmith presents, it's on every ticket.

60s 70s 80s 90s 2000s 2010s 2020s boys? Shake your ass to Strictly in yer pink jumpsuit Lads for a Saturday night in, instead.

Fat Boy Slim???????? A hip DJ??????????????????????

Glastonbury????????

Millwall et al now standing up in support of discrimination AGAINST THEMSELVES AND THE CLUB, footballers now kneeling ON THEIR OWN CAREER GRAVES... In total agreement to a man, the sport against itself.

The politically correct thing to do, is end their own existence.

Pure yoga nihilism.

[Jakubclaret]

I don't even know where to start explaining how wrong you are.

Say using your figure, 10p a pint cost. Add on the brewers profit.

Then transporting the beer to the pub. Pub overheads, rent, electricity, heating, water, rates, staff etc. Profit for the pub.

Then beer duty (set by the government) which is 54p per pint for a 5% beer. Plus VAT at 20%.

An 11 gallon keg of Carlsberg is circa £90 if you are free of tie. If you are tied to a brewery or pub co, it could be £140. That's nearly £1.75 a pint before any VAT, overheads or profit. So no, pubs can't sell beer at a quid a pint and survive.

I’m well aware of how the money gets distributed straight from the brewery, I’m talking about no taxes incurring, the cost to make & the delivery, if you sell in volume (which you would) you make more money in the long run, the pubs are going to the wall because of the prices, some are dead even at weekends. If the pubs buy cheaper & sell more it works as opposed to pubs buying expensive & selling less. The money is mostly tax involved, there’s no way something that costs 10p to make should be selling for £3.

[TVC15]

Mother of God

[TVC15]

Beer prices should be set by a public vote.

Agenda item 1 : Beer Prices
Agenda item 2 : Weekly hangings
Agenda item 3 : Paedophiles at Football Grounds
AOB

[Inchy]

Not been out in Burnley for a couple of years but last time I went out there was a massive increase in young lads shoving all sorts up their nose in the bogs. Wasn’t the done thing when I started going out 15 years ago but it’s all the rage now.


I remember trying to sneak into lava ignite one night. Earlier in the night I had got into an altercation with the Russian hotdog man across from BB11 which resulted in him chasing me down the road with his spatula.

Anyway later on in the night I was heading into lava which cost 7 quid to get in. Rip off. Just next to the bit where you paid was a door on the left hand side. If you darted quickly without the doorman seeing this entry led straight to the dance floor. A tactic I’ve used before. Anyway as I darted through the door I was met by a large doorman’s hand who grabbed my face and lifted me clean off the ground. I hit the ground again at the bottom of the steps outside. Undetermined I darted round the back on the balcony and text my mate to boot the door open. As I was texting I dropped my phone into the river below. He booted the door open and I was in. Next minute I’m throwing some shapes on the dance floor when my eyes met with a scary Russian bloke. The next 10 mins was me running around the nightclub and him chasing me. Next minute I was thrown out again.

I decided to call it a night then but thought I’d try and get my phone first so I hopped down to the river. It was only about 6 foot wide and I spotted my phone on the other side so decided to jump the river and collect my phone. I misjudged the jump and ended up in he river.

Brilliant night, miss those days.

Interestingly I went back on Sunday after a Tesco breakfast and found my phone an it still worked!

Then up to the golf club for a Sunday session

[Inchy]

I think the younger generation have a different lifestyle

Back when I was going out hardly anyone was going to the gym. Binge drinking was popular. The only exercise people did was Sunday league football. Another thing that’s declined.

These days the younger generation are a lot more health conscious. They hammer the gym and if they go out don’t drink much. They shove stuff up their nose as it’s cheaper and probably healthier than binge drinking 3 nights a week

[ChrisG]

I’m well aware of how the money gets distributed straight from the brewery, I’m talking about no taxes incurring, the cost to make & the delivery, if you sell in volume (which you would) you make more money in the long run, the pubs are going to the wall because of the prices, some are dead even at weekends. If the pubs buy cheaper & sell more it works as opposed to pubs buying expensive & selling less. The money is mostly tax involved, there’s no way something that costs 10p to make should be selling for £3.

But the point is it doesn't cost 10p to make. You (and I) can and do brew beer and cider at home for less than 50p a pint. We're not doing it on a large scale granted, however, we are also not paying any staff, and we don't have to factor in rent and other overheads (transport certainly isn't an issue, and one of the great benefits of making your own ale!)

Here's a decent link that a reasonably well known brewer has posted about the subject:

https://beernouveau.co.uk/costs-quality ... ve-profit/

[SammyBoy]

But the point is it doesn't cost 10p to make. You (and I) can and do brew beer and cider at home for less than 50p a pint. We're not doing it on a large scale granted, however, we are also not paying any staff, and we don't have to factor in rent and other overheads (transport certainly isn't an issue, and one of the great benefits of making your own ale!)

Here's a decent link that a reasonably well known brewer has posted about the subject:

https://beernouveau.co.uk/costs-quality ... ve-profit/

You are wasting your breath mate

[claretonthecoast1882]

I’m well aware of how the money gets distributed straight from the brewery, I’m talking about no taxes incurring, the cost to make & the delivery, if you sell in volume (which you would) you make more money in the long run, the pubs are going to the wall because of the prices, some are dead even at weekends. If the pubs buy cheaper & sell more it works as opposed to pubs buying expensive & selling less. The money is mostly tax involved, there’s no way something that costs 10p to make should be selling for £3.

Have you thought about approaching local free houses and offering to supply them their booze at this low cost.

Granted you may need to rent/buy larger premises, buy the equipment needed to keep up with orders, take staff on to fulfil the orders and pay people to deliver the orders but you will be inundated with orders to keep you busy.

[bobinho]

Really sad what's happened to the nightlife in Burnley. Covid could be the final nail in the coffin.

I used to bring mates home from the army in Germany for a weekend in Burnley... they couldn’t believe how wild it was. I mean lads from other big towns and cities were loving it so much, they’d come back with their own mates for a weekend.

It’s a shadow of its former self, and it won’t return to how it was. Towns on its backside.

[Quickenthetempo]

Not been out in Burnley for a couple of years but last time I went out there was a massive increase in young lads shoving all sorts up their nose in the bogs. Wasn’t the done thing when I started going out 15 years ago but it’s all the rage now.


I remember trying to sneak into lava ignite one night. Earlier in the night I had got into an altercation with the Russian hotdog man across from BB11 which resulted in him chasing me down the road with his spatula.

Anyway later on in the night I was heading into lava which cost 7 quid to get in. Rip off. Just next to the bit where you paid was a door on the left hand side. If you darted quickly without the doorman seeing this entry led straight to the dance floor. A tactic I’ve used before. Anyway as I darted through the door I was met by a large doorman’s hand who grabbed my face and lifted me clean off the ground. I hit the ground again at the bottom of the steps outside. Undetermined I darted round the back on the balcony and text my mate to boot the door open. As I was texting I dropped my phone into the river below. He booted the door open and I was in. Next minute I’m throwing some shapes on the dance floor when my eyes met with a scary Russian bloke. The next 10 mins was me running around the nightclub and him chasing me. Next minute I was thrown out again.

I decided to call it a night then but thought I’d try and get my phone first so I hopped down to the river. It was only about 6 foot wide and I spotted my phone on the other side so decided to jump the river and collect my phone. I misjudged the jump and ended up in he river.

Brilliant night, miss those days.

Interestingly I went back on Sunday after a Tesco breakfast and found my phone an it still worked!

Then up to the golf club for a Sunday session

And you say people putting stuff up their noses are the problem?

[Eyres_11]

Yeah I thought the same, still be gutted if its shut for good though. No activity on their Facebook page since September which isn't a good sign.

Rang them after the lockdown and was told its permanently closed.

[Billy Balfour]

It's a shame if the Talbot has closed for good. It was more my mum and dad's pub than ours, especially the music, though me and the missus sometimes called in for one from time to time. We are more into going to live gigs and staying overnight than going out in Burnley. A few beers in the afternoon, a meal out and then some live music, maybe a chillout kind of bar after the gig, then back to the hotel. I miss those weekends just as much as the football.

[NottsClaret]

It's not just Burnley. We used to go Blackburn on a Friday, either local or Burnley on Saturday and Accrington on a Sunday (best of the lot, unbelievably).

Everywhere's the same now. But why would kids want to go out. They can try and 'pull' on some app on their phone and drink at a mate's house for what we used to pay in pubs. No point getting a taxi and being ripped off in town.

Yeah it was great fun for us back in the day, but if I was 18-21 now, I'd be doing what they're doing. And as cricketfield says, they're loads healthier than we were. Playing Sunday League football once a week didn't make up for the excess of going out in the 90s and all that entailed.

[claret2018]

There’s still a huge market for decent pubs and bars. Pre-COVID the New Inn and Alehouse in Clitheroe were always packed, and I’m sure they will be soon again.

[Mala591]

My Friday night budget for ‘a few beers with the lads’ = £18

Walk down town (2 miles), six pints of good quality real ale (average £3 a pint)

Walk home

Can anyone beat that for value for money?

[Vino blanco]

As a teenager in the 60s I used to get the bus from Rosegrove into town and then walk up to the Coach and Horses to join the queue of people waiting for the pub to open at 7 I think it was. It was the only pub in town with a juke box so it was packed with young people listening to Elvis, Buddy Holly, Little Richard. I would have a couple of of pints of bitter in there at about 1s/4d (7p) a pint. We would then go across the road to the White Hart which was a bit up market (1s/6d) a pint, followed by a trip into town to the Prinnie Royal, Boot, Swan, Red Lion finishing up upstairs in the Big Window, which was the in place for a while. About 10,45 I would go to the bar and get three pints of bitter for the last orders, which gave me about half an hour to drink them before chucking out time. Quite often we would have to walk home having missed the last bus (taxis were unheard of). The night out consisting of about 9 or 10 pints cost about 13 Bob (let's say 65p). Try telling the kids that nowadays, but they wouldn't believe you!

[Billy Balfour]

My Friday night budget for ‘a few beers with the lads’ = £18
Walk down town (2 miles), six pints of good quality real ale (average £3 a pint)
Walk home
Can anyone beat that for value for money?

I can. I walk down to Jakubclaret's pub, drink all evening while being kept snug and warm and all for a £1.00 a pint.

[Murger]

The days of being able to go out on a Friday and waking up
fit enough to get on it again. I miss those days.

[Billy Balfour]

The days of being able to go out on a Friday and waking up
fit enough to get on it again. I miss those days.

I hit 40 this year and I keep a keen eye on what I drink. Nowadays I go for quality over quantity, whether it's wine or ale. I do miss those all-dayers with my mates, but not the next day payback where I'm peed off with myself for being too tired to drive anywhere or too rough to enjoy a good walk. These days I'm more into keeping fit than drinking.

[Billy Balfour]

I've also seen what's happened to some of my mates who carried on just the same as they did when they were in their 20s - they look 10 years older than they should. It's the same with my dad's ex-boozing buddies who are in their early 60s, but look much, much older.

[FactualFrank]

I hit 40 this year and I keep a keen eye on what I drink. Nowadays I go for quality over quantity, whether it's wine or ale. I do miss those all-dayers with my mates, but not the next day payback where I'm peed off with myself for being too tired to drive anywhere or too rough to enjoy a good walk. These days I'm more into keeping fit than drinking.

I've learnt a very simple formula: the days I go drinking = length of hangover. A Friday, Saturday, Sunday session means a hangover lasting 3 days. The odd night out, and I feel a bit rough the following day, but nothing too bad.

It's not been the easiest of years to try cutting down though, with boredom sometimes setting in.

[SammyBoy]

I've learnt a very simple formula: the days I go drinking = length of hangover. A Friday, Saturday, Sunday session means a hangover lasting 3 days. The odd night out, and I feel a bit rough the following day, but nothing too bad.

It's not been the easiest of years to try cutting down though, with boredom sometimes setting in.

If I go drinking for 3 hours I have a hangover lasting 3 days.

[Burnley87]

I have 10 high volume pubs and I can’t buy for much less than a pound a pint

Please let me know if you can find it cheaper

[NewClaret]

Agenda item 1 : Beer Prices
Agenda item 2 : Weekly hangings
Agenda item 3 : Paedophiles at Football Grounds
AOB

Quality post

I’d like to attend that meeting please.

[Leisure]

Rang them after the lockdown and was told its permanently closed.

Very said. The free live music nights were great and it was the Rishton and Gt Harwood Clarets watering hole before and after every home game.

[jrgbfc]

Yeah a few pints after a game and then round to the Talbot was the only thing that would tempt me to bother going out in Burnley these days. Sad news. I'm sure it won't be the only pub that closes for good this next few months either.

[Billy Balfour]

It was up for sale before Covid came a'calling.

[TheFamilyCat]

Not been out in Burnley for a couple of years but last time I went out there was a massive increase in young lads shoving all sorts up their nose in the bogs. Wasn’t the done thing when I started going out 15 years ago but it’s all the rage now.


I remember trying to sneak into lava ignite one night. Earlier in the night I had got into an altercation with the Russian hotdog man across from BB11 which resulted in him chasing me down the road with his spatula.

Anyway later on in the night I was heading into lava which cost 7 quid to get in. Rip off. Just next to the bit where you paid was a door on the left hand side. If you darted quickly without the doorman seeing this entry led straight to the dance floor. A tactic I’ve used before. Anyway as I darted through the door I was met by a large doorman’s hand who grabbed my face and lifted me clean off the ground. I hit the ground again at the bottom of the steps outside. Undetermined I darted round the back on the balcony and text my mate to boot the door open. As I was texting I dropped my phone into the river below. He booted the door open and I was in. Next minute I’m throwing some shapes on the dance floor when my eyes met with a scary Russian bloke. The next 10 mins was me running around the nightclub and him chasing me. Next minute I was thrown out again.

I decided to call it a night then but thought I’d try and get my phone first so I hopped down to the river. It was only about 6 foot wide and I spotted my phone on the other side so decided to jump the river and collect my phone. I misjudged the jump and ended up in he river.

Brilliant night, miss those days.

Interestingly I went back on Sunday after a Tesco breakfast and found my phone an it still worked!

Then up to the golf club for a Sunday session

Did the Russian bloke still have his spatula in the nightclub?

[tim_noone]

Did the Russian bloke still have his spatula in the nightclub?

Inch was obviously under the influence with out realising it.

[JohnDearyMe]

Interesting read but sad to hear about the situation in Burnley.

Although a few years ago there was no meaningful nightlife in Rawtenstall and now it is thriving (or at least was pre-pandemic) with a great mix of pubs and bars, so I'm sure things can turnaround in Burnley too

[JoeAM89]

Interesting read but sad to hear about the situation in Burnley.

Although a few years ago there was no meaningful nightlife in Rawtenstall and now it is thriving (or at least was pre-pandemic) with a great mix of pubs and bars, so I'm sure things can turnaround in Burnley too

Interesting you say that. I remember 10 or so years ago my parents telling me that Rawtenstall was really rough and I should avoid it, but now it’s supposed to be a great night out with some quality bars. Like you say, I’m sure Burnley will come good again.

[cricketfieldclarets]

I think the younger generation have a different lifestyle

Back when I was going out hardly anyone was going to the gym. Binge drinking was popular. The only exercise people did was Sunday league football. Another thing that’s declined.

These days the younger generation are a lot more health conscious. They hammer the gym and if they go out don’t drink much. They shove stuff up their nose as it’s cheaper and probably healthier than binge drinking 3 nights a week

Spot on. Your previous post is so typical of nights out then. And as you say. All rough as rats next day off to play footy. Another thing that was the cause of its own demise with a crap committee running it.

[cricketfieldclarets]

It's a shame if the Talbot has closed for good. It was more my mum and dad's pub than ours, especially the music, though me and the missus sometimes called in for one from time to time. We are more into going to live gigs and staying overnight than going out in Burnley. A few beers in the afternoon, a meal out and then some live music, maybe a chillout kind of bar after the gig, then back to the hotel. I miss those weekends just as much as the football.

Good pub just to go in for a pint and good atmosphere. A proper pub. Always a decent crowd too.

[cricketfieldclarets]

It's not just Burnley. We used to go Blackburn on a Friday, either local or Burnley on Saturday and Accrington on a Sunday (best of the lot, unbelievably).

Everywhere's the same now. But why would kids want to go out. They can try and 'pull' on some app on their phone and drink at a mate's house for what we used to pay in pubs. No point getting a taxi and being ripped off in town.

Yeah it was great fun for us back in the day, but if I was 18-21 now, I'd be doing what they're doing. And as cricketfield says, they're loads healthier than we were. Playing Sunday League football once a week didn't make up for the excess of going out in the 90s and all that entailed.

To be fair ‘why would they do it?’ Memories (or lack of). Life experiences. And just a proper crack. It must be dull to be 21 now.

[cricketfieldclarets]

I hit 40 this year and I keep a keen eye on what I drink. Nowadays I go for quality over quantity, whether it's wine or ale. I do miss those all-dayers with my mates, but not the next day payback where I'm peed off with myself for being too tired to drive anywhere or too rough to enjoy a good walk. These days I'm more into keeping fit than drinking.

God. Those days where you couldn’t move. Felt sorry for yourself. But had a McDonald’s and away you go again.

2 week holidays to magaluf. Doing it day after day all day and night for two weeks. How was that even possible.