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Can’t get too fussed about this.........can’t wait to have the day at the match with my son, but not going to kick off about anything.......can’t satisfy everyone and I just hope we’re all back in having the post match experience of “why do I bother” as we go freezing to the pub and then for a curry!
There is a flicker of light folks at the end of that tunnel................stay strong, safe and have the best Christmas you can meantime......
There is a flicker of light folks at the end of that tunnel................stay strong, safe and have the best Christmas you can meantime......
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I’d be very surprised if that Lancashire restriction is legal. It seems totally un-British for a business to discriminate against one group of people. I believe the rule is that Tier 3 people aren’t allowed legally, but everyone else is. For example, West Ham say just nobody in a Tier 3 area. Brighton say little that I can see, and they have groups who can apply together, slightly different to us, they all win or they all lose.
If I didn’t know better I’d suggest it has to be some Rovers fan infiltrating our corridors of power and doing all they can to drive fans away for good. It’s genius.
If I didn’t know better I’d suggest it has to be some Rovers fan infiltrating our corridors of power and doing all they can to drive fans away for good. It’s genius.
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Best of luck to all who enter the lottery to attend. I live outside Lancashire so I'm banjaxed. If results dont pick up it looks as if i may have purchased a PL season ticket for the championship.
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So I misunderstand . I had a 2019/20 season ticket. I understood of I didn’t take up the next season even though it looked as if no fans would be allowed I would not keep my seat for the following season.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:29 pmNo he hasn’t lost his seats and it doesn’t help you posting incorrect info. The club have already confirmed that seats for 2019/20 season ticket holders will be available for 2021/22.
What your saying having missed nearly a whole season my seat is still reserved, that’s not how I understand it,
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I really don't know the legalities of it CrosspoolClarets but we are not the only club to have these restrictions placed on us. It's the same at Everton so I assume also Liverpool.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:34 pmI’d be very surprised if that Lancashire restriction is legal. It seems totally un-British for a business to discriminate against one group of people. I believe the rule is that Tier 3 people aren’t allowed legally, but everyone else is. For example, West Ham say just nobody in a Tier 3 area. Brighton say little that I can see, and they have groups who can apply together, slightly different to us, they all win or they all lose.
If I didn’t know better I’d suggest it has to be some Rovers fan infiltrating our corridors of power and doing all they can to drive fans away for good. It’s genius.
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That's what the club have said and I'll take a bit of credit for that because I asked that it should be the case at a meeting some time ago, prompted by the recommendations of the FSA. I think we said your seat would be reserved until June next year but don't take that date as being accurate.Whitgord wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:15 pmThat’s great news if my seat is available for me in season 2021/22. I didn’t renew before they went off sale in March (but would have done before the end of the early bird period). This is the first I have heard that I can wait and buy my same seat for next season. I have been hanging on waiting for the season tickets to go back on sale. Ps I am not interested in attending with the “small crowds” so that is not an issue for me.
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Should support your local team.Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:31 pmSo I can’t go on the turf because I live in Manchester. Utter bull$hit.
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As for those moaning. It’s not fair. Why me.
Life’s not fair. Covids not fair. 2020 is not fair.
Is what it is. We might get a ticket. Might not. Is what it is. There’s a lot worse things happening. And I’d be surprised if 2,000 actually want to go on.
It’s like the same people moaning that arsenal have fans and we don’t.
Any progress is good in my book. Whether it’s 2,000, 20,000 or just Dave Burnley.
Life’s not fair. Covids not fair. 2020 is not fair.
Is what it is. We might get a ticket. Might not. Is what it is. There’s a lot worse things happening. And I’d be surprised if 2,000 actually want to go on.
It’s like the same people moaning that arsenal have fans and we don’t.
Any progress is good in my book. Whether it’s 2,000, 20,000 or just Dave Burnley.
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This is exactly why they are taking sensible measures to stop people over the border coming in.John Johnson 1605 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:00 pmHi Littleborough, I’m also from the Boro. Do you know of many other clarets in the area ? Be good if we all could meet for a televised game ?
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But allowing people to travel from Morecambe if not Todmorden.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:38 pmThis is exactly why they are taking sensible measures to stop people over the border coming in.
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Lines have to be drawn. There will be winners and losers. The response to Covid has largely been managed based on certain local authority boundaries - directors of public health and local resilience forums are just two reasons for this.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:39 pmBut allowing people to travel from Morecambe if not Todmorden.
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Great postJimmymaccer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:24 pmCan’t get too fussed about this.........can’t wait to have the day at the match with my son, but not going to kick off about anything.......can’t satisfy everyone and I just hope we’re all back in having the post match experience of “why do I bother” as we go freezing to the pub and then for a curry!
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What's the point of making a special point about borrowing someone's email address if you don't have your own, and then saying you need to download the track and trace app? How many people in this country have an internet-capable mobile phone but no email address. I'm guessing it's no more than the number of fingers on one foot.
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Correct. Because Morecambe is in the same county. Under the same county council and same Covid tiers. If you let todmorden in. Why not hebden bridge. And onto Leeds. In fact make it hull.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:39 pmBut allowing people to travel from Morecambe if not Todmorden.
Littleborough ah make it Huddersfield and Rochdale.
The rules are as sensible as can be.
This virus isn’t fair. Such is life. Can’t believe how babyish some of the replies are.
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On a lighter note I remember when Burnley considered 2,000 a bumper crowd.
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And why not make even more stupid comments in quoting me?cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:46 pmCorrect. Because Morecambe is in the same county. Under the same county council and same Covid tiers. If you let todmorden in. Why not hebden bridge. And onto Leeds. In fact make it hull.
Littleborough ah make it Huddersfield and Rochdale.
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You’ve lost me.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:59 pmAnd why not make even more stupid comments in quoting me?
I’m just stating why someone could travel from Morecambe to Burnley. But not hebden.
It’s why someone could travel from Chester to Macclesfield. But potentially not Wales when half the stadiums in wales.
Or why someone could travel from Aberdeen to Gretna. But not Gretna to Carlisle.
Logically it may not make sense. But when borders and rules exist that’s why.
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I wonder what percentage of our season ticket holders don't have a smart phone and are unable to download the app.dsr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:44 pmWhat's the point of making a special point about borrowing someone's email address if you don't have your own, and then saying you need to download the track and trace app? How many people in this country have an internet-capable mobile phone but no email address. I'm guessing it's no more than the number of fingers on one foot.
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No you're not, you started going on about Hull and other places. You know what you were doing, I do, I suspended recently in the hope you wouldn't continue making problems for myself on this board but you are back doing it.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:01 amYou’ve lost me.
I’m just stating why someone could travel from Morecambe to Burnley. But not hebden.
It’s why someone could travel from Chester to Macclesfield. But potentially not Wales when half the stadiums in wales.
Or why someone could travel from Aberdeen to Gretna. But not Gretna to Carlisle.
Logically it may not make sense. But when borders and rules exist that’s why.
I merely pointed out that you could come from Morecambe but not Todmorden, nothing else.
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Absolutely. And I made the point that where does it stop. A line has to exist somewhere so the most logical and easiest to police is county boundaries. If you start allowing todmorden then where do you logically stop?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:03 amNo you're not, you started going on about Hull and other places. You know what you were doing, I do, I suspended recently in the hope you wouldn't continue making problems for myself on this board but you are back doing it.
I merely pointed out that you could come from Morecambe but not Todmorden, nothing else.
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Probably a lot less than the number of people who would rather find any small loophole in the rules, just because they think they have a right. If everyone had done the right think in the first place, you wouldn’t be in this mess now.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:01 amI wonder what percentage of our season ticket holders don't have a smart phone and are unable to download the app.
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As for problems. That’s a bit precious really. As ever you just don’t like contrary opinions.
People can have different opinions but still be civil. Try not to take the internet personally. We are all supporting the same club. UTC.
People can have different opinions but still be civil. Try not to take the internet personally. We are all supporting the same club. UTC.
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Have to agree. So many selfish people and people who generally think everything is about them throughout the whole pandemic.RammyClaret61 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:06 amProbably a lot less than the number of people who would rather find any small loophole in the rules, just because they think they have a right. If everyone had done the right think in the first place, you wouldn’t be in this mess now.
This thread is exactly that.
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Ha ha bloody hacricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:07 amAs for problems. That’s a bit precious really. As ever you just don’t like contrary opinions.
People can have different opinions but still be civil. Try not to take the internet personally. We are all supporting the same club. UTC.
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Does anybody not own a smart phone these days? Every hospitality or leisure setting that I’ve been in since track and trace was introduced has required me to sign in with the app. This isn’t an issue specific to BFC. And I’m sure that in the very unlikely event that you didn’t have a phone capable of downloading the app, the club would make an effort to accommodate you.
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You would be surprised RammyClaret61 - and this isn't going to be a temporary measure, it will be like this permanently in terms of requiring an email address and either a phone or ability to print your own ticket.RammyClaret61 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:06 amProbably a lot less than the number of people who would rather find any small loophole in the rules, just because they think they have a right. If everyone had done the right think in the first place, you wouldn’t be in this mess now.
I spoke to an old friend of mine today in his 80s and he said that was it for him, he'd probably not be able to go on again. There's also someone who was getting your programmes. He doesn't know what a smart phone or a computer look like.
I take your point on people looking for loopholes and we know there will be people getting to go who don't live in Lancashire, that I appreciate. But I'm seriously concerned for people who don't have the technology that the club now require for their new ticketing system.
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Lots and lots Rileybobs, particularly older people but not totally. My brother for one, sits next to me for home games, he doesn't have a mobile phone of any kind and has no interest in having one. It doesn't affect his life not having one.
Anyway, your post got you a like from cricketfieldclarets - he gets a kick out of liking posts that might disagree with anything I say. It's people like him that will force me to shut this board down eventually.
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At tier 3. It’s not hard.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:05 amAbsolutely. And I made the point that where does it stop. A line has to exist somewhere so the most logical and easiest to police is county boundaries. If you start allowing todmorden then where do you logically stop?
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But this is the way the worlds going. And has been for thirty years now. Emails aren’t exactly a new thing.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:12 amYou would be surprised RammyClaret61 - and this isn't going to be a temporary measure, it will be like this permanently in terms of requiring an email address and either a phone or ability to print your own ticket.
I spoke to an old friend of mine today in his 80s and he said that was it for him, he'd probably not be able to go on again. There's also someone who was getting your programmes. He doesn't know what a smart phone or a computer look like.
I take your point on people looking for loopholes and we know there will be people getting to go who don't live in Lancashire, that I appreciate. But I'm seriously concerned for people who don't have the technology that the club now require for their new ticketing system.
The worlds changing. And it’s not always bad.
Banking. Ticketing. Holiday bookings. Everything is going digital and online.
The youth expect this type of engagement and interaction. You can’t hold progress for the minority that don’t want to be on board.
By making everything more advanced it invariably makes things quicker and easier even for those who aren’t tech savvy. Queues are going to be smaller. Delays shorter.
We all long for the good old days of paying cash on the turnstyle. I know I do. But times change.
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People who don't have smartphones often see people who do have them, walking round staring at their screen with no eyes for anything else. Maybe if you looked up from your screen you would be able to see the people who don't have smartphones.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:09 amDoes anybody not own a smart phone these days? Every hospitality or leisure setting that I’ve been in since track and trace was introduced has required me to sign in with the app. This isn’t an issue specific to BFC. And I’m sure that in the very unlikely event that you didn’t have a phone capable of downloading the app, the club would make an effort to accommodate you.
A quick google suggests 84% of adults in the UK own a smartphone. That's 5 out of 6. Approx 3,000 of our regular fans don't own one.
Incidentally, most hospitality places I have been to (admittedly not many) had a pen-and-paper list to record attendance of people who don't have smartphones.
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Fine and what about people who bought season tickets in good faith, now being told they can't go into a ballot because of them not having technology. Sorry, I find it totally unacceptable. I understand the situation, but this is really not fair.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:17 amBut this is the way the worlds going. And has been for thirty years now. Emails aren’t exactly a new thing.
The worlds changing. And it’s not always bad.
Banking. Ticketing. Holiday bookings. Everything is going digital and online.
The youth expect this type of engagement and interaction. You can’t hold progress for the minority that don’t want to be on board.
By making everything more advanced it invariably makes things quicker and easier even for those who aren’t tech savvy. Queues are going to be smaller. Delays shorter.
We all long for the good old days of paying cash on the turnstyle. I know I do. But times change.
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And what if London clarets are suddenly placed on tier three the day after they buy a ticket when in tier two.
It’s just an extra logistical nightmare.
There’s no easy or right answer. Just less **** decisions. So the obvious thing to do is just have the rules in force that are relevant to the county that the stadium is in.
To me if someone from Morecambe wants to drive to the turf. And go on and support us. And I don’t get lucky in the ballot and I live five minutes away - good luck to them. I hope they enjoy it and it’s worth the effort.
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For the record, I wasn’t posting with the intention of antagonising things between you and CFC, although I can see there is some friction there. You do a very good job running this site and I can imagine it’s a thankless task at times. There are definitely posters who go out of their way to wind you up, which I can’t understand. But as much as I don’t always agree with CFC I don’t think that this has been his intention on this thread. But I don’t want to get into other people’s disagreements.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:13 amLots and lots Rileybobs, particularly older people but not totally. My brother for one, sits next to me for home games, he doesn't have a mobile phone of any kind and has no interest in having one. It doesn't affect his life not having one.
Anyway, your post got you a like from cricketfieldclarets - he gets a kick out of liking posts that might disagree with anything I say. It's people like him that will force me to shut this board down eventually.
As for the smartphones. I really doubt that there is a significant portion of our fan base who don’t own a phone with internet browsing capability. My late grandma even had a kindle and a smartphone, not that she knew how to use them!
Technology progresses and I don’t blame the club for moving with the times. And I’m sure, as I said above, if someone like your brother genuinely doesn’t have access to a smartphone then the club will accommodate them.
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How many people really don’t have email or smartphones though. It’s really very very few.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:19 amFine and what about people who bought season tickets in good faith, now being told they can't go into a ballot because of them not having technology. Sorry, I find it totally unacceptable. I understand the situation, but this is really not fair.
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It's not very, very few, it is a reasonable number and that number paid for their season tickets and kept their payments with the club in good faith. I've said, I understand the current situation, but to put obstacles into a lot of our older fans in particular is, in my view, downright wrong.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:21 amHow many people really don’t have email or smartphones though. It’s really very very few.
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Spot on. A thankless task indeed. Which I acknowledge frequently. I for one wouldn’t do it.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:21 amFor the record, I wasn’t posting with the intention of antagonising things between you and CFC, although I can see there is some friction there. You do a very good job running this site and I can imagine it’s a thankless task at times. There are definitely posters who go out of their way to wind you up, which I can’t understand. But as much as I don’t always agree with CFC I don’t think that this has been his intention on this thread. But I don’t want to get into other people’s disagreements.
Some times though people need to help themselves.
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Someone has already answered that. It’s a minority but a significant one.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:21 amHow many people really don’t have email or smartphones though. It’s really very very few.
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Or put another way, if you're too old to want to or to be able to learn how to use a mobile computer, then clear off home and don't get in my way.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:17 amBut this is the way the worlds going. And has been for thirty years now. Emails aren’t exactly a new thing.
The worlds changing. And it’s not always bad.
Banking. Ticketing. Holiday bookings. Everything is going digital and online.
The youth expect this type of engagement and interaction. You can’t hold progress for the minority that don’t want to be on board.
By making everything more advanced it invariably makes things quicker and easier even for those who aren’t tech savvy. Queues are going to be smaller. Delays shorter.
We all long for the good old days of paying cash on the turnstyle. I know I do. But times change.
Introduction of smartphone access to football grounds is progress, because it means there is another useful way to get in. Introduction of smartphone access to football grounds while banning anyone who doesn't own a smartphone? That's not progress. You might think that banking is quicker now that most of the branches have closed, but for people that want or need to use the branches it isn't.
Incidentally, how much do these smartphone thingies cost? My mobile cost £10 to buy and about £20 per year for phone calls and texts. I presume a smartphone would be more than that?
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While I don’t disagree I think it’s equally wrong that people who have paid for their season tickets are being excluded from the ballot because of their postcode.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:23 amIt's not very, very few, it is a reasonable number and that number paid for their season tickets and kept their payments with the club in good faith. I've said, I understand the current situation, but to put obstacles into a lot of our older fans in particular is, in my view, downright wrong.
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It is very few though. I work in that industry. Almost everyone has at least one.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:23 amIt's not very, very few, it is a reasonable number and that number paid for their season tickets and kept their payments with the club in good faith. I've said, I understand the current situation, but to put obstacles into a lot of our older fans in particular is, in my view, downright wrong.
It’s a significant majority who don’t have a smart phone. And even less who couldn’t get one or even borrow one.
Anyone who is so desperate to go on really isn’t going to allow that to stop them.
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This thread got weird, didn't it? Some people literally just wanting to deny there are any problems with the club's policy regardless of evidence, discussion or anecdotes. I reckon if the club banned named people named Vince some posters would be asking if we really have any fans named Vince.
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You don't know the half of it. It's been going on for years and I'm close to the end of my tether with it. It either stops or I'll just close the board down.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:21 amFor the record, I wasn’t posting with the intention of antagonising things between you and CFC, although I can see there is some friction there. You do a very good job running this site and I can imagine it’s a thankless task at times. There are definitely posters who go out of their way to wind you up, which I can’t understand. But as much as I don’t always agree with CFC I don’t think that this has been his intention on this thread. But I don’t want to get into other people’s disagreements.
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None of those figures indicate how many people don’t have a smartphone.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:26 amIt is very few though. I work in that industry. Almost everyone has at least one.
It’s a significant majority who don’t have a smart phone. And even less who couldn’t get one or even borrow one.
Anyone who is so desperate to go on really isn’t going to allow that to stop them.
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I bet there’s more fans named Vince than fans who don’t have access to a smartphone.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:26 amThis thread got weird, didn't it? Some people literally just wanting to deny there are any problems with the club's policy regardless of evidence, discussion or anecdotes. I reckon if the club banned named people named Vince some posters would be asking if we really have any fans named Vince.
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Why would you assume that because I own a smartphone I don’t look up from my screen? How pompous.dsr wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:18 amPeople who don't have smartphones often see people who do have them, walking round staring at their screen with no eyes for anything else. Maybe if you looked up from your screen you would be able to see the people who don't have smartphones.
A quick google suggests 84% of adults in the UK own a smartphone. That's 5 out of 6. Approx 3,000 of our regular fans don't own one.
Incidentally, most hospitality places I have been to (admittedly not many) had a pen-and-paper list to record attendance of people who don't have smartphones.
And are 84% of our regular fans adults? Do the remaining people not have a partner, or friend that they attend the game with who has a smartphone?
And your final point about the pen and paper list is exactly how I would expect the club to accommodate the very small minority of people who don’t have access to a smartphone.
Time moves on people. Jesus, I’m glad I wasn’t around when we went metric.
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So given that 95% of households have a smartphone I would suggest that approx 95% of our fan base has access to one.
Furthermore. Given that those who are probably ‘too old’ to have one are probably in a highly vulnerable age category, I doubt they’re going to be rushing to the turf. So it’s almost irrelevant anyway.
It’s like folk in Cornwall tier one complaining even though they aren’t going to attend anyway. Or are part of a significant minority of people in that tier that might want to come.
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95% of households have one. And that was 2017.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:33 amYou can only enter the ballot to get tickets with someone in your household - having a friend doesn't help