January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[claretonthecoast1882]

Because even at 20 you are signing a young prospect. At 24 your expecting to sign a proven player. Kennedy is not proven and he is approaching 24

You should be a politician, when you are asked a question you answer anything but the question asked with some irrelevant answer.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You should be a politician, when you are asked a question you answer anything but the question asked with some irrelevant answer.

I have answered the question. You said why did you not say Collins is approaching 20? I said because even at 20 years old he would still be classed a prospect? What more do you want

[Socrates]

We signed Colin Waldron in the summer of 1967. He made his debut in the October, at just over 19 years 4 months. Within a year he was club captain.

And that one example from 54 years ago proves?

[claretonthecoast1882]

I have answered the question. You said why did you not say Collins is approaching 20? I said because even at 20 years old he would still be classed a prospect? What more do you want

No, you either say one is 23 and the other is 19 or one is approaching 24 and the other is approaching 20.

What you don't do is use it on the slightly older player but not the younger one.


Plus on the stats Kenny makes 0.2 blocks a game more, heads it 0.2m further and 0.1m higher, makes 0.1 passes more a game and keeps 0.3 clean sheets more.

[welsbyswife]

Don't engage with him Claretonthecoast. He's a sad character with nothing else to do. The vast majority of us don't want to read this playground rubbish.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Don't engage with him Claretonthecoast. He's a sad character with nothing else to do. The vast majority of us don't want to read this playground rubbish.

I should know better, I Know

[jackmiggins]

Logged on to see if there are any new smitterings of a rumour!! Usual bickering, which is of NO interest to me. Don’t particularly care what age a player is - if they can help the team is of much more importance. Just remember that ALL great players only achieved their status from playing in first teams - some as teenagers, some in their twenties!

[Newcastleclaret93]

No, you either say one is 23 and the other is 19 or one is approaching 24 and the other is approaching 20.

What you don't do is use it on the slightly older player but not the younger one.


Plus on the stats Kenny makes 0.2 blocks a game more, heads it 0.2m further and 0.1m higher, makes 0.1 passes more a game and keeps 0.3 clean sheets more.

Apologies next time I will make sure I use the same for both players. In my head it was clear.

Apologies for sharing stats on players I will make sure I don’t do that anymore.

[Grumps]

Logged on to see if there are any new smitterings of a rumour!! Usual bickering, which is of NO interest to me. Don’t particularly care what age a player is - if they can help the team is of much more importance. Just remember that ALL great players only achieved their status from playing in first teams - some as teenagers, some in their twenties!

[dibraidio]

I really don't think we need to worry about relegation.

Bournemouth had more points than we do at the same stage last season.

Clean sheets are clearly key to us staying up, if we lose Mee or Tarky we've seen that we just don't get anywhere near the same number of clean sheets. This reminds me of the Dean Marney situation where we only won when he played and he got injured just after the window closed.

It makes perfect sense to look at a center back who is better than Long and to line up a replacement for Bardsley if a good deal is available. The question is who's asking about the players ? Pace, Rigg or Dyche? Are all the noses pointing in the same direction?

[Rileybobs]

Bournemouth had more points than we do at the same stage last season.

Clean sheets are clearly key to us staying up, if we lose Mee or Tarky we've seen that we just don't get anywhere near the same number of clean sheets. This reminds me of the Dean Marney situation where we only won when he played and he got injured just after the window closed.

It makes perfect sense to look at a center back who is better than Long and to line up a replacement for Bardsley if a good deal is available. The question is who's asking about the players ? Pace, Rigg or Dyche? Are all the noses pointing in the same direction?

Not to say that we’re out of the relegation mix, because we’re clearly not - but if Fulham continue their points trajectory, and we lose every game, they won’t catch us for 11 games. I’d hazard a guess that in 11 games time we will have secured enough points to stay in the division.

[jackmiggins]

Not sure exactly what was so funny about my post Grumps? Can you elucidate?

[Turfytop]

Don't engage with him Claretonthecoast. He's a sad character with nothing else to do. The vast majority of us don't want to read this playground rubbish.

O the other hand, Maybe most of us notice it’s the same poster that starts all the arguments on here, and it’s not newcastleclaret93

[Grumps]

Not sure exactly what was so funny about my post Grumps? Can you elucidate?

I was feeling a little low this morning, but jackmiggins saying he has no interest in bickering made me laugh out loud, and has cheered me up so much. My mental wellbeing is much better now as a result of your post, thank you very much

Getting back on topic, I've no problem with the age of players we recruit, we've signed good youngsters over the years, and also players nearing the end of their career who have done an excellent job.

[jojomk1]

One small problem with this, there are no suitors for Tarks anymore, Leicester signed Fofana, West Ham signed Dawson.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... i-23388725

[jojomk1]

Because even at 20 you are signing a young prospect. At 24 your expecting to sign a proven player. Kennedy is not proven and he is approaching 24

Who is this guy Kennedy ?

Have I missed something ?

[jackmiggins]

I was feeling a little low this morning, but jackmiggins saying he has no interest in bickering made me laugh out loud, and has cheered me up so much. My mental wellbeing is much better now as a result of your post, thank you very much

Getting back on topic, I've no problem with the age of players we recruit, we've signed good youngsters over the years, and also players nearing the end of their career who have done an excellent job.

Stay safe my friend.

[claretandy]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... i-23388725

We are talking about January.

[Stayingup]

Not concerining incomings but reports today are saying Leicester are again going to chase Tarkowski - and are confident. Hope they have 45 mill.

[warksclaret]

Not sure he would be guarranteed a starting place. Forfa is a cert to start, Soyuncu just coming back and was outstanding last season, and Evans too is very much a regular. He could be to provide cover and eventually play in a back 3 of Soyuncu/Forfa and himself. If they play 4 at the back he may stuggle to get in

[Danieljwaterhouse]

One small problem with this, there are no suitors for Tarks anymore, Leicester signed Fofana, West Ham signed Dawson.

Have a look at the morning papers Re: Leicester

And if I was Klopp I would be interested. We might see a Jones and money from United. There’s a lot of opportunity in the market.

[Quickenthetempo]

It's been reported Lampard wanted to bring Tarky to Chelsea last summer but the board wouldn't sanction the deal.

Looks like he his very highly regarded.

[claretandy]

Good grief.

[Quickenthetempo]

I don't get why Burnley fans get annoyed at our bids being half of what the selling club want. Every businessman in the world will tell you to do the same.

If we give them a straight 10m, which adds up to 15m with agent fees, signing on fees, medicals etc.. then wages. Then 10% interest rate we will borrow at to purchase.
It will be 25m before you know it.

For someone with potential but not proven.

[claretandy]

3.5 isn't half of 10 +.

[scouseclaret]

Good grief.

New owners, same old sh!t...

[martin_p]

3.5 isn't half of 10 +.

No, but 3.5 + 1.5 is!

[boatshed bill]

No, but 3.5 + 1.5 is!

But it's not enough to make Stoke think about selling.

[claretandy]

No, but 3.5 + 1.5 is!

Depends what the 1.5 is dependent on, and they want 10 +.

[steve1264b]

I can't comment on the value of Collins but the structure of a deal always matters.

I believe Lenny Johnrose from Bury was all cash up front, a very unusual deal in football.

If we believe Stoke want 10 million they would not expect that now but over three years. So if we structured a deal less than that but over two years they may well be tempted.

3.5 million up front is a large percentage in football terms, the 1.5 maybe payable if we stop up this year, after 25 appearances etc which would mean Stoke getting half of the 10 within 6 months of the sale which means we are not far away from agreeing a fee.

Stoke will probably still owe us a final instalment on Vokes.

However if the addons are ridiculous like being payable after 150 appearance or qualifying for the champions league then we are miles apart.

Ive never seen Collins play but according to some of the 5 star reviews on here i don't see why Stoke (who definitely do not need the money) would sell for any fee.

[martin_p]

Depends what the 1.5 is dependent on, and they want 10 +.

Nope 3.5 + 1.5 is still half of 10 whatever it’s dependant on.

As others have mentioned it’s not enough to get Stoke interested, but the point that someone made that we have offered half what Stoke value him at (according to the tweet) is correct.

[Cubanclaret]

Sounds like the speculation around Tarky is for the summer.
Jonny evans is 33 and I’d imagine Leicester will want 4 decent centre backs at the club. It would be an excellent move for him if we’re honest.

[claretandy]

Nope 3.5 + 1.5 is still half of 10 whatever it’s dependant on.

As others have mentioned it’s not enough to get Stoke interested, but the point that someone made that we have offered half what Stoke value him at (according to the tweet) is correct.

Wrong, they want 10+.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Wrong, they want 10+.

The journalist is saying they want 10m and you are saying it is 10m +

On that basis the journalist is wrong then ? Perhaps he may be wrong on how the bid was structured too

[randomclaret2]

I can't comment on the value of Collins but the structure of a deal always matters.

I believe Lenny Johnrose from Bury was all cash up front, a very unusual deal in football.

If we believe Stoke want 10 million they would not expect that now but over three years. So if we structured a deal less than that but over two years they may well be tempted.

3.5 million up front is a large percentage in football terms, the 1.5 maybe payable if we stop up this year, after 25 appearances etc which would mean Stoke getting half of the 10 within 6 months of the sale which means we are not far away from agreeing a fee.

Stoke will probably still owe us a final instalment on Vokes.

However if the addons are ridiculous like being payable after 150 appearance or qualifying for the champions league then we are miles apart.

Ive never seen Collins play but according to some of the 5 star reviews on here i don't see why Stoke (who definitely do not need the money) would sell for any fee.

What makes you say Stoke " definitely do not need the money " ?

[boatshed bill]

I do think our bidding strategy is embarrassing. Let's assume we have a genuine valuation, above which we will pull out, why don't we table a bid fairly close to that valuation .

[claretonthecoast1882]

I do think our bidding strategy is embarrassing. Let's assume we have a genuine valuation, above which we will pull out, why don't we table a bid fairly close to that valuation .

Maybe that is the valuation our club has

[ksrclaret]

Hahahahaha. Classic. The boardroom still stinks a little too much of a herb belonging to the allium genus, for my liking.

[boatshed bill]

Maybe that is the valuation our club has

Yes. That is possible, and if so there is little point in submitting an offer

[Spijed]

I do think our bidding strategy is embarrassing.

Well it's worked in getting players such as Pope, JBG, Tarkowski, Taylor etc. for peanuts.

Unless you think Harry Maguire was much better value at £80 million.

[Quicknick]

And that one example from 54 years ago proves?

That it is possible for a 19-year-old to be good enough to play in the top flight. McNeil did. He's another example.

[claretandy]

The journalist is saying they want 10m and you are saying it is 10m +

On that basis the journalist is wrong then ? Perhaps he may be wrong on how the bid was structured too

Nixon said 10 plus add onns.

[Socrates]

Well it's worked in getting players such as Pope, JBG, Tarkowski, Taylor etc. for peanuts.

Unless you think Harry Maguire was much better value at £80 million.

How’s it gone in the last three years?

Any successes you can name from there?

[DomBFC1882]

Well it's worked in getting players such as Pope, JBG, Tarkowski, Taylor etc. for peanuts.

Unless you think Harry Maguire was much better value at £80 million.

And how many of them were in the last 6 or 7 transfer windows? Just because we have done good business years ago doesn't mean we continue to do it now. The market has changed massively since them signings you mentioned

[NickBFC]

Maybe Stoke still owe us several million for Vokes, so the £3.5m + 1.5m might not sound so ridiculous if we're writing off what's owed for Sam. I doubt anybody outside those discussing the deal know the finer details of the deal, especially not the look at me/have enough punts and one will be right journalists aka Nixon etc. I think this one might happen, have to wait and see.

[NewClaret]

Good grief.

So, if that’s to be believed, it’s £5m not £4.5m.

I’d be interested to know if the £3.5m is “up front” or “guaranteed (but paid in instalments)”.

I personally think Championship clubs are going to have to adjust their valuations of players downwards for a good few years. That said, he’s under contract for 5 years and they’re owned by billionaires who will presumably be able to see that period out. Hope a compromise can be reached!

We’re at half their valuation, if they’re willing to work in the structure we’re proposing (70% up front, 30% in add ons), doesn’t feel an impossible bridge to gap.

[NewClaret]

Maybe Stoke still owe us several million for Vokes, so the £3.5m + 1.5m might not sound so ridiculous if we're writing off what's owed for Sam. I doubt anybody outside those discussing the deal know the finer details of the deal, especially not the look at me/have enough punts and one will be right journalists aka Nixon etc. I think this one might happen, have to wait and see.

Agree. Not sure how any journo has such close information on the financials unless someone from either side is acting very unprofessionally.

[NickBFC]

Agree. Not sure how any journo has such close information on the financials unless someone from either side is acting very unprofessionally.

Quite. It's easy for someone to brandish figures around, but very rarely is info leaked on the structure of a deal. Business is never as simple as asking how much do you want? and handing the cash over. They'll be all sorts of add ons and payment terms in any transfer.

[jrgbfc]

Not concerining incomings but reports today are saying Leicester are again going to chase Tarkowski - and are confident. Hope they have 45 mill.

Or they could just wait until this summer and probably pick him up for a third of that.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Nixon said 10 plus add onns.

Nixon..