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Nick Pope

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:53 pm

Best keeper in the Premier League so far this season?

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by NewClaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:55 pm

Wouldn’t swap him for anyone else mate.

That said, kicking seems to be getting worse not better!

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by conyoviejo » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:56 pm

You would think they would have him practising his kicking for 12 hours a day.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:57 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:55 pm
Wouldn’t swap him for anyone else mate.

That said, kicking seems to be getting worse not better!
He needs to spend all of his time on kicking. I don't believe for 1 second that this can't be improved.

But he has such a "I have this" appearance of him. He comes out and catches the ball better than anybody I've seen, and has the saves. Get his kicking sorted and for me, he'd be one of the best keepers in the world.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:58 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:55 pm
Wouldn’t swap him for anyone else mate.

That said, kicking seems to be getting worse not better!
Wouldn't disagree about his kicking but.... as has been said before a Goalkeeper is there to stop the ball going in the net with whatever means he can.

Popey is a Master at that (mostly)

His distribution throwing etc 1st class ... but his kicking needs work definitely.

Swap him NO BLOODY WAY ... We love ya Popey 👍

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:00 pm

Needs promoting to Nick God.
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Burnley1989 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:01 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:58 pm
Wouldn't disagree about his kicking but.... as has been said before a Goalkeeper is there to stop the ball going in the net with whatever means he can.

Popey is a Master at that (mostly)

His distribution throwing etc 1st class ... but his kicking needs work definitely.

Swap him NO BLOODY WAY ... We love ya Popey 👍
Agree with what you’re saying but if your distribution is poor you’ll find yourself having to make twice as many saves :lol:

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by NewClaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:25 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:58 pm
Wouldn't disagree about his kicking but.... as has been said before a Goalkeeper is there to stop the ball going in the net with whatever means he can.

Popey is a Master at that (mostly)

His distribution throwing etc 1st class ... but his kicking needs work definitely.

Swap him NO BLOODY WAY ... We love ya Popey 👍
Agreed, at keeping the ball out of the net he's second to none. And coming for crosses. Struggling to think of a keeper in world football that is better in that regard at the moment (albeit only watch a limited amount of champions league football).

But I can see Southgate's perspective that kicking is a key part of the game at international level, particularly since you'd expect fewer clear cut goalscoring chances in those matches. If he works on his kicking I think he becomes one of the best GK's in the world, nevermind PL.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by NewClaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:28 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:57 pm
He needs to spend all of his time on kicking. I don't believe for 1 second that this can't be improved.

But he has such a "I have this" appearance of him. He comes out and catches the ball better than anybody I've seen, and has the saves. Get his kicking sorted and for me, he'd be one of the best keepers in the world.
Agreed mate. And of all the things you'd want as a development area, you'd want it to be kicking. It's not as if he doesn't get it clear, it's just not always to a Claret shirt. His ability to keep the ball out of the net and pluck it from the air in our area is second to none so agree with your point that he's very close with being up there with the best in the world.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:31 pm

Certainly the best keeper to ever play for Burnley,but a long way off best in the Premier league.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by JohnMac » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:31 pm

It's his long kicking that is way behind Pickford and several other top Keepers. If he was to play the 'modern way' of passing out from the back he would be tapping the ball to the players near to him and probably be equally as good.

It just proves to me that there are so many goals scored using a long ball from the Keeper that THIS is the essential skill and not the tippy tappy stuff that prevents him ousting Pickford.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by BurnleyFC » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:31 pm

He’s an exceptional talent. Enjoy having him between our sticks while we still have the chance, because he’s almost certain to move onto bigger and better things.
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by jackmiggins » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:36 pm

His kicking is really only exposed due to our style of play. Internationally, or for other top clubs, he'd only be required to execute short passes (though he's occasionally proved weak in this area too.
Got to say though, that his command of the area and shot stopping ability far outweighs any distribution problems.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:36 pm

His kicking might well be miles behind Pickford but his shot stopping is far superior and he doesn't give your nerves added stress when he's playing, which I'm sure Pickford does.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by tim_noone » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:46 pm

Getting better all the time....

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by bobinho » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:46 pm

Great keeper.... as good as Tom for me.

I remember when Tom was injured and he stepped into the breech.... CFS behind gave him an absolutely brilliant welcome, and he's been absolutely brilliant since.

I'm old school obviously... I want the keeper to make saves, be brave, dominate HIS area, and communicate with his defenders. Pope smashes it.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by AlargeClaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:51 pm

His shot stopping , positioning and command of area is superb though his kicking is same as it’s always been since he was at Bury ( when I first saw him play and train ) He could play it longer off the ground than anyone I’ve ever seen but his trapping of the ball ain’t gonna change , glad we have him as he’s perfect for Burnley

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Papabendi » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:00 pm

he has started to develop a long throw. That could be part of the answer.
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Untinted Glasses » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:01 pm

bobinho wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:46 pm
Great keeper.... as good as Tom for me.

I remember when Tom was injured and he stepped into the breech.... CFS behind gave him an absolutely brilliant welcome, and he's been absolutely brilliant since.

I'm old school obviously... I want the keeper to make saves, be brave, dominate HIS area, and communicate with his defenders. Pope smashes it.
I was right behind him in the CFS and actually felt really nervous for him. However I needn't have he was awesome straight away. Totally no nerves
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:16 pm

The trend of playing out from the back won't last too much longer, being able to catch a football will never be out of fashion.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:28 pm

I think his stats last season, clean sheets and shots stopped, had him as the best in premier league. Probably similar rate this season for shots stopped but not for clean sheets (yet!).

For me it's his ability to take pressure off the team with catching and holding crosses. If not the best then he is at least one of the best.
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by tiger76 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:35 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:31 pm
Certainly the best keeper to ever play for Burnley,but a long way off best in the Premier league.
Not sure he's the best keeper to ever play for Burnley, surely that honour belongs to Adam Blacklaw.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by tiger76 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:38 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:16 pm
The trend of playing out from the back won't last too much longer, being able to catch a football will never be out of fashion.
I agree this passing about at the back is asking for trouble, hence why many teams are now employing a high press, no successful team has ever succeeded without a solid keeper, and that's what Nick provides consistency in spades.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:40 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:38 pm
I agree this passing about at the back is asking for trouble, hence why many teams are now employing a high press, no successful team has ever succeeded without a solid keeper, and that's what Nick provides consistency in spades.
Apart from the likes of Barcelona in their prime.

They could have had a cardboard cutout sat there.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:40 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:53 pm
Best keeper in the Premier League so far this season?
First phone call of the day was from an arsenal supporting customer. Asking if they can have him.

Despite being an arsenal fan he’s quite fond of us as he’s Irish. Although he’s not fond of Hendrick.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:41 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:55 pm
Wouldn’t swap him for anyone else mate.

That said, kicking seems to be getting worse not better!
He kicks it like the undertaker from wwe would.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:42 pm

I think 3/4 of the Premier League would want him.

If he breaks into the England first team, I wouldn't be accepting any less than £50 million for him.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:42 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:31 pm
Certainly the best keeper to ever play for Burnley,but a long way off best in the Premier league.
I still find it hard to accept that anyone’s better than Heaton. But reality is Pope probably now is.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:43 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:36 pm
His kicking might well be miles behind Pickford but his shot stopping is far superior and he doesn't give your nerves added stress when he's playing, which I'm sure Pickford does.
Gives you the total opposite. I’d almost say I’m pretty relaxed when opponents have a chance. Particularly if crossing it from wide or deep.
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:45 pm

bobinho wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:46 pm
Great keeper.... as good as Tom for me.

I remember when Tom was injured and he stepped into the breech.... CFS behind gave him an absolutely brilliant welcome, and he's been absolutely brilliant since.

I'm old school obviously... I want the keeper to make saves, be brave, dominate HIS area, and communicate with his defenders. Pope smashes it.
That was a great day. He must have been very nervous. But I’m sure we sang England’s number one at him that day.

Probably in jest to start. But we weren’t far wrong. M
Four England caps and four clean sheets too. Such a shame he hasn’t had the chance to play more in front of big crowds.

As for him leaving. For some reason I feel that he is settled here and isn’t the sort to itch for a move. Hope I’m right.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:50 pm

Englands no1 far better in the air than Pickford and a great shot stopper
This bxxxxxxs about playing out from the back is the curse of modern football

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:56 pm

I got absolutely battered on here for suggesting he took the opportunity to work on his kicking when he had his shoulder injury - it was the obvious requirement for International call ups.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:06 pm

It winds me up how people have a dig about a goalkeeper's kicking when it's no worse than half our outfield players long pass accuracy.

I have watched a lot of football this season and plenty of keepers pass the ball to the opposition quite close to their goal like Ederson did on Saturday. I would rather the keeper kicked it over the halfway line myself.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:09 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:35 pm
Not sure he's the best keeper to ever play for Burnley, surely that honour belongs to Adam Blacklaw.
Blacklaw was my hero,
I think Colin McDonald may well be our best ever,
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Re: Nick Pope

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:10 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:35 pm
Not sure he's the best keeper to ever play for Burnley, surely that honour belongs to Adam Blacklaw.
I saw Blacklaw play and obviously its donkeys years ago, but believe me Pope is the best keeper we have ever had..imo ;)

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:11 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:42 pm
I still find it hard to accept that anyone’s better than Heaton. But reality is Pope probably now is.
Tom is probably the second best we have ever had 😉
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by tim_noone » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:12 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:35 pm
Not sure he's the best keeper to ever play for Burnley, surely that honour belongs to Adam Blacklaw.
And Harry Thomson wasnt Bad.Apart from WBA away.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:14 pm

Hipper, the stats don't tell the full story at all. There are several things that go into the importance of the keeper role.

How he calms everything down by plucking the ball out of the air during dangerous times. How he dominates his area and the saves he makes with his left testicle.

He just has an ease about him and I'm sure helps the defence. If you have a solid keeper it makes you feel 10 times better.
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Steve1956 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:18 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:14 pm
Hipper, the stats don't tell the full story at all. There are several things that go into the importance of the keeper role.

How he calms everything down by plucking the ball out of the air during dangerous times. How he dominates his area and the saves he makes with his left testicle.

He just has an ease about him and I'm sure helps the defence. If you have a solid keeper it makes you feel 10 times better.
Exactly!

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Bosscat » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:18 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:14 pm
Hipper, the stats don't tell the full story at all. There are several things that go into the importance of the keeper role.

How he calms everything down by plucking the ball out of the air during dangerous times. How he dominates his area and the saves he makes with his left testicle.

He just has an ease about him and I'm sure helps the defence. If you have a solid keeper it makes you feel 10 times better.
Summed him up in the one stat there Frank... The saves he makes with his left testicle ... His right makes a few too 😉
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by fanzone » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:28 pm

I were speaking to a scout 5 years ago in the soccerdome about a young goalkeeper, I said he's outstanding at shot stopping and everything goalkeeping but he can't kick a ball., He said neither can Nick Pope but he will be England's number 1 in the future.

Keep goal first kick it second. Same should be said for other positions.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:32 pm

When Arsenal had that 5 minutes of tappy tappy at the back, did we get fearful or did we sense we may get an opening? The latter.

That to me answers whether playing it out from the back is an asset, or strategy, worth having.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:36 pm

If Nick’s lack of kicking ability is a problem is enough to put off bigger suitors, I suggest SD stamps on his toe regularly. He is world class, he’d be able to pick his club.
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:37 pm

The theory of playing it out from the back is that by the time you get the ball further up-field the opponents are out of position. But the times that actually happens seems to be few and far between and doesn't seem worth it.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by mdd2 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:21 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:35 pm
Not sure he's the best keeper to ever play for Burnley, surely that honour belongs to Adam Blacklaw.
Not even Adam-Try Colin McDonald

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by LeadBelly » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:22 pm

He's the ideal keeper for us, great on crosses and shot-stopping. He's not the best in the "playing it out from the back" stakes but we're never going to play that way anyway. I'm sure hes working on his long-kick distribution; it has improved but more to come hopefully.

As per other above posters, there's no current keeper Id swap him for.
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Re: Nick Pope

Post by tiger76 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:36 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:09 pm
Blacklaw was my hero,
I think Colin McDonald may well be our best ever,
We were spoilt in that title season, Colin McDonald had the misfortune to have his career ended early due to the leg break, but Adam stepped in and played his part in our ultimate success.

I didn't realise Colin McDonald was still alive and kicking, is he our oldest living former player, he's into his 90's now, so I'm guessing he must be.

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:48 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:31 pm
Certainly the best keeper to ever play for Burnley,but a long way off best in the Premier league.
I’d say he’s one of the best in the world technically. I think he’ll move to a champs league squad soon enough

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Re: Nick Pope

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:50 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:36 pm
We were spoilt in that title season, Colin McDonald had the misfortune to have his career ended early due to the leg break, but Adam stepped in and played his part in our ultimate success.

I didn't realise Colin McDonald was still alive and kicking, is he our oldest living former player, he's into his 90's now, so I'm guessing he must be.
He visited Barnfield a couple of years ago, he looked very well for his age.
Couldn't believe the size of our keepers.

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