ARTICLE: A first Burnley league game for referee Jones

[Rileybobs]

I can only think he has seen Mee going backwards and then the collision. We all know strikers back in to defenders / keepers to make it hard for them to win the ball.
Sadly I think Mee has been the victim of Barnesesque types of challenges.

Nah, Mee has been the victim of a shite referee.

[dpinsussex]

Nah, Mee has been the victim of a shite referee.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

He's a wind up merchant ffs and you all fall for it (I know I've been there got tee shirts)

Lets face facts, he has a bloody huge keep net and its full of the fish he has caught in it on here tonight.

Never have fallen for its tripe, but amused that people still do

[tim_noone]

Tbh..... I've yet to hear fans of a winning team moan about referees its unheard of I'm sure. I cant comment on his performance as I havent seen it.........yet.

[MT03ALG]

The record of Leeds United with Jones as referee:
Played 11 Won 6 Drawn 4 Lost 1 Points 22
With Jones as referee every game, Leeds United could win the Premier League !!

[thelaughingclaret]

Corrupt ref working for the corrupt fa. Leeds are the biggest club in the universe so must be given all decisions at all costs. Nothing new.

[Blackburn_Claret]

The referee was poor but so was our tactics and couldve lost by more if Ben Mee had anything to do with it. Shouldve been pulled off before half time. Worst performance I've seen in a long time from him.

[daveisaclaret]

The record of Leeds United with Jones as referee:
Played 11 Won 6 Drawn 4 Lost 1 Points 22
With Jones as referee every game, Leeds United could win the Premier League !!

So before today Leeds were averaging 1.9 points per game when he was their ref.

Over the two seasons before this, Leeds averaged 1.91 points per game.

Hardly a smoking gun.

[nil_desperandum]

As balance I have shared the no penalty clip with a group of refereeing friends and they are 50/50 split including give the safe decision as a defensive free kick and get out of the way.

I find that statement interesting and slightly baffling.
Surely the "safe" decision at any level would to allow play to continue, (if you're unsure).
Even with no VAR, you could then consult with the assistant ref if it directly leads to a goal.

[MT03ALG]

22 divided by 11 = 2 !!

[nil_desperandum]

22 divided by 11 = 2 !!

I think that's after today.
The poster said up to today - (19 Divided by 10 = 1.9)

[Rileybobs]

22 divided by 11 = 2 !!

Either way, it's quite likely that a team winning the Championship, and falling just short of promotion the season before, is going to have a fairly decent win percentage with any referee in those seasons.

[dpinsussex]

I find that statement interesting and slightly baffling.
Surely the "safe" decision at any level would to allow play to continue, (if you're unsure).
Even with no VAR, you could then consult with the assistant ref if it directly leads to a goal.

If you as the referee are the best placed match official to make a decision then the expectation is that you make the decision.
That will have been part of the referees pre match instructions.

There are plenty of times when the referee has been closest and I have seen something from the line 25-30 yards away but wouldn't come in as it undermines the credibility of the match referee.
You have to be sure it is in conjunction with what the referee is giving.
It is worth remembering that the only communication system we have at step 3 is the electronic flags. Comms kits are not permitted until the conference.

Safe decision is usually a defensive free kick. Sometimes that comes back to bite you.
For example An incorrectly awarded penalty is normally much more contentious than one not given.

[burnmark]

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... ssion=true

Seems that the ref is sticking to his guns.

[ksrclaret]

So the ref has told Dyche that he felt he had a good game.





Arrogant streak of p1ss. Dyche is right in what he said afterwards, that needs feeding back.

[Bordeauxclaret]

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... ssion=true

Seems that the ref is sticking to his guns.

Astonishing. Clearly has no idea about football. He won’t be alone in the refereeing fraternity.

[nil_desperandum]

If you as the referee are the best placed match official to make a decision then the expectation is that you make the decision.
That will have been part of the referees pre match instructions.

There are plenty of times when the referee has been closest and I have seen something from the line 25-30 yards away but wouldn't come in as it undermines the credibility of the match referee.
You have to be sure it is in conjunction with what the referee is giving.
It is worth remembering that the only communication system we have at step 3 is the electronic flags. Comms kits are not permitted until the conference.

Safe decision is usually a defensive free kick. Sometimes that comes back to bite you.
For example An incorrectly awarded penalty is normally much more contentious than one not given.

I've seen many occasions over the years where the referee has not blown up, but has then consulted with the linesman and taken play back for a free-kick. So even allowing for there being no VAR at lower level, it seems odd to me that stopping the game and giving a defensive free kick is considered "safer" than playing on, when you haven't a clue whether it was a foul or not, and who might have committed it. I didn't think that referees were supposed to guess?

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Refs back refs, they’re so arrogant that they all stick together. It isn’t often you see the refs on tv criticise a decision.

[Bin Ont Turf]

They say violence never solves anything, but surely this Ref getting a good twa**ing would be good for the collective mental health.

[MACCA]

Refs back refs, they’re so arrogant that they all stick together. It isn’t often you see the refs on tv criticise a decision.

You wont ne surprised to hear Michael Oliver the king of it's all about me was on VAR,..

Didnt have the bol1ocks to do his job right

[Devils_Advocate]

DA, I’ll apologise for saying your viewpoint is absurd. However, I would like to know how Ben Mee has done anything wrong. I have read your responses to this point in the thread, and I fear that you are responding as you are because deep down you know you’re likely to be wrong and you cannot accept that.

I have watched the replay of the incident (from my own Sky box as I recorded the game) over and over again, and Ben Mee does absolutely nothing wrong. He had no idea that the keeper is in no mans land (for a keeper) and is just jumping to head the ball like he does all over the pitch. We often see defenders and attackers jump together and often free kicks are given for a nudge or a push (correctly most of the time) and we have no arguments generally. Today, the keeper came in at speed and used his knee to flatten Ben Mee who’s first knowledge of the keeper being anywhere near him was feeling a knee in the small of his back. That’s just wrong, and anywhere else on the pitch done by an outfield player and they’d be lucky to still be on the pitch.

Your refusal to accept this opinion is what is backing you into a corner mate, which is polarising the debate to be strongly against you and your opinion.

No need to apologise, messageboards disagreements can be hard work. I've had enough interaction with you on here to respect your views and know youre a decent poster but I just dont think I can explain it any better to help you understand where I am coming from.

If we were sat in person watching the replays together and able to talk to each other im confident I could get you to understand my viewpoint. Im certain you would still think im wrong and disagree with me but I think you would get where I am coming from

Not sure it was worth all this effort today but it feels like once I got past all the people just having a pop there's been some decent discussion on the subject so I'll finish on a positive

[RingoMcCartney]

Post Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:00 pm

Over 8 hours of deluded , antagonistic, self awareness lacking reality denial. Cant be good for you.


Perhaps you should take your own advice. Just saying.

[tiger76]

So the ref has told Dyche that he felt he had a good game.





Arrogant streak of p1ss. Dyche is right in what he said afterwards, that needs feeding back.

If that's him having a good game I'd hate to see him having a bad game.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

For the person saying the whistle blew before the keeper got involved, may I suggest you get the sound synced on your dodgy stream before commenting

https://fb.watch/2ES_y36r9F/

[nil_desperandum]

For the person saying the whistle blew before the keeper got involved, may I suggest you get the sound synced on your dodgy stream before commenting

https://fb.watch/2ES_y36r9F/

Don't think anyone has said that. The issue is that he blew up before Barnes put the ball in the net, which mean't that irrespective of all the other issues, VAR could not have given the goal.
VAR should however have given a penalty on review, since as you correctly say, the game was still "in play" at that point.

[Aclaret]

Robert Jones down to referee ( and I use the term loosely) Newcastle v Leicester tomorrow, might just watch the game to see if he has learnt anything at our expense.

[CleggHall]

Two great decisions then?
A reward for incompetence.

[Jimmymaccer]

Joke.........

[Hipper]

OK I will try and put some perspective on this from a referee perspective.

To a point DA is correct on the conceded penalty. The ball is, "technically" irrelevant. Yes, he got to the ball first but the manner of winning that ball wasn't a fair challenge and hence the penalty kick was awarded.
That is as far as DA is correct.

The non award at the other end. Where do I start?
Ben Mee was facing the ball, never once turned and looked for the goal keeper. This shows his attention was purely to win the ball with his head. The keeper has travelled from distance and jumped with his knee up as all goalkeepers seem to do.
Why do they jump like that? To protect themselves from the collision. I firmly believe that this should be given as a free kick. As a number of people have said that you do this elsewhere on the pitch it is a foul and probably as SD said a yellow card.

If the keeper punches the ball and then there is a collision with the attacker then that is fair. However the use of the knee shows intent and an element of cowardice.
If a player in the midfield twists his body and straightens his leg going in for a tackle he is intent on hurting his opponent and ensuring that he wins the ball at all cost. This is not permitted within the laws of the game and should result in a red card.
I genuinely don't think that was the intention of the keeper, however he was reckless in the manner of his clearance.
Therefore a yellow card should be issued.

What could have made the referee make the decision? Attackers do tend to back in on goalkeepers to prevent them from being able to clear the ball. However, today clearly this was not the case. I believe seeing the size of the collision he has gone for the "safer" decision of a defensive free kick.

I do believe the whistle went too quickly and as referees especially as we move up the pyramid to delay that whistle unless you are concerned for a players well being.
This will have been a sore back and no more and therefore not a reasonable excuse to blow so quickly unless he genuinely thought Ben Mee had instigated the contact.

What baffles me more than anything was why did VAR not tell him to hold the game as they want to check the decision. With all of the angles and views it was a clear and obvious error in law and a penalty should have been awarded.

I agree with all of this.

I would add that if you look at our goal against Sheffield United Barnes can be seen backing into the goalkeeper. Perhaps it's not quite enough to be penalised but it was close. Barnes's job here was to obstruct the goalkeeper and he did that and a bit more. In fact we often do that and it's clearly part of our free kick routine. Sometimes we go to far and get away with it and other times not.

It's perhaps this that made Jones penalise Mee so quickly. He had boned up on our ways.

[Hipper]

On whether he had a good game or not there are a number of ways of judging.

The main one of course was that he got one major decision wrong (the Mee incident). I can only think he was convinced at the time he was right.

On yellow cards he got all them right. Tarkowski - persistent fouling; Westward - poor reaction to wrongly awarded free kick; Barnes - poor reaction to assistant after he was rightly penalised for pushing.

Overall though the game was enjoyable to watch and free flowing. That has to be to his credit.

[levraiclaret]

They looked at the two main incidents on Gillette Soccer Saturday this afternoon, Jeff and all the panellists were of the view that Jones got both decisions wrong. The incidents were reviewed from a number of angles, on the Pope one they understood why Jones got it wrong but said VAR should have told him to change his decision or review all the angles on his monitor. Their view was Pope got the ball first and Bamford's block caused him to go over.

[MT03ALG]

Sunday 03 January: Newcastle v Leicester: Referee Robert Jones. Should/Could be interesting

[RalphCoatesComb]

The main one of course was that he got one major decision wrong (the Mee incident). I can only think he was convinced at the time he was right.

He was the ONLY one (anywhere) who thought that Ben Mee committed a foul. Any VAR replay of that incident would have corrected it, right? No, not right. Your attempt to be objective is laudable but Jones was a joke ! He received no support from VAR!

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Robert Jones was given his allocations on 17 December 2020 and these included his middle at Leeds and his middle at Newcastle. There has been the odd change to some of the allocations made on that date, however, these have mainly been Covid related.
He was always going to referee Newcastle on 3 January and the game at Leeds has no bearing on that fact.

[Hipper]

He was the ONLY one (anywhere) who thought that Ben Mee committed a foul. Any VAR replay of that incident would have corrected it, right? No, not right. Your attempt to be objective is laudable but Jones was a joke ! He received no support from VAR!

With hindsight mostly, I would suggest.

Was VAR used for this incident?

[RalphCoatesComb]

With hindsight mostly, I would suggest.

Was VAR used for this incident?

I was of the opinion that VAR is a little little "Alexa", it is always watching and listening in. If they didn't, then they should have done.

[ClaretTony]

They looked at the two main incidents on Gillette Soccer Saturday this afternoon, Jeff and all the panellists were of the view that Jones got both decisions wrong. The incidents were reviewed from a number of angles, on the Pope one they understood why Jones got it wrong but said VAR should have told him to change his decision or review all the angles on his monitor. Their view was Pope got the ball first and Bamford's block caused him to go over.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen incidents when so many tv pundits have condemned them.

No matter how often I look at them I cannot see how he gave them a penalty and even more so how he came to the conclusion that Ben Mee had committed a foul.

At the end of the day, in my view, he made two horrendous mistakes that ultimately cost us a result.

[northeastclaret]

The Pratt is reffing the Newcastle game which has just kicked off