Leeds versus MIGHTY CLARETS

[FactualFrank]

Beers on you Frank

This was the reason why I did it, so there would be at least something to dampen down the pissedoffness.

[brexit]

4-4-3 was correct it includes the ref.
But it still doesn't detract from the fact that yet again bad tactics lost us the game not one bad refereeing decision.
He isn't the messiah he's just a ginger dinosaur

[wilks_bfc]

Paul Robinson our ex Goalie said on Sky he thought Pope was reckless and that is was a penalty.

Is that the same ex goalie of Leeds?

[MT03ALG]

Paul Robinson played 95 games for Leeds and 3 for Burnley so we know where his bias lies.

[Bosscat]

This was the reason why I did it, so there would be at least something to dampen down the pissedoffness.

[IanMcL]

Yep.

Not sure they played anything! We bombarded them.

[Bosscat]

Paul Robinson our ex Goalie said on Sky he thought Pope was reckless and that is was a penalty.

Funnily enough he also said when the young Leeds keeper kneed Ben Mee in the back we should have had a Pen too

[mill hill claret]

Thought Stephen's played well when he came on

[Guller Bull]

This was the reason why I did it, so there would be at least something to dampen down the pissedoffness.

Enjoy your filthy money Frank

[TheFamilyCat]

No sour grapes but I don't understand what the Leeds hype is all about.

They were certainly better than us in the first half but I didn't see anything to warrant all the fuss about them. The goal was a result of route-one.

Did they have an off day or did we stop them playing their game.

[Guller Bull]

To be fair other than the crap refereeing I thought it was a good game to watch. It was hard to take but they did a reasonably (out of character) solid defensive performance.

[tiger76]

I don't want to add to the doom and gloom, but Brighton lead West Ham 1-0 at HT, let's hope the Hammers improve 2nd half.

[ClaretTony]

I don't want to add to the doom and gloom, but Brighton lead West Ham 1-0 at HT, let's hope the Hammers improve 2nd half.

Really makes no difference really if they win other than taking them above us. At the end of the day our position will be determined by how many points we get.

[tiger76]

Really makes no difference really if they win other than taking them above us. At the end of the day our position will be determined by how many points we get.

True! and if we play against Sheff Utd & Fulham as we played 2nd half today, then we'll collect points in both those fixtures.

[Spijed]

Really makes no difference really if they win other than taking them above us. At the end of the day our position will be determined by how many points we get.

Yes, if we get 36 points or thereabouts we will be pretty much safe.

[Somethingfishy]

True! and if we play against Sheff Utd & Fulham as we played 2nd half today, then we'll collect points in both those fixtures.

We won't. We will need a hell of a lot more of a cutting edge than we displayed today. Wolves game apart it has been missing all season.

[s6t9a2f3f]

The only surprise is that plenty seem to score against Leeds, they have not kept many clean sheets but if you have limited quality in the final third you do struggle in games unfortunately.

[FactualFrank]

The only surprise is that plenty seem to score against Leeds, they have not kept many clean sheets but if you have limited quality in the final third you do struggle in games unfortunately.

They also seem to usually score more than 1 goal.

[tiger76]

We won't. We will need a hell of a lot more of a cutting edge than we displayed today. Wolves game apart it has been missing all season.

We weren't fantastic today by any means, but with a decent ref we'd have probably nicked a point, I do agree we need to find that cutting edge, although it's worth noting we had more efforts on target then them 6-4 in our favour, we do need to be more clinical, however the encouraging aspect is we're creating the chances, we just have to start taking them.

[jojomk1]

We are in a relegation scrap because we can't score goals - even Sheff Utd have scored as many as us

[Spijed]

We are in a relegation scrap because we can't score goals - even Sheff Utd have scored as many as us

Whilst that's true, I think we'd have a few more points had Mee been fit all season.

Getting 1 point in the first 6 games didn't help. But now as we have full strength defence we should be ok. Clean sheets are what keep teams up.

[Colburn_Claret]

I was DEFENDING the right for people to discuss all aspects of the game on the messageboard.

Clearly you have a problem with that

Obviously I do. I don't like people abusing our players on this board, when they should be backing them.
If you support their 'right', then you're supporting their point of view. Regardless of what you pretend you believe.
Some of the comments first half were ridiculous , it's embarrassing to think some of these people call themselves supporters, when they clearly have no idea what support means.
We can all disagree on tactics, style, line ups etc, but as long as the players give 100%, we shouldn't be having a go at them. The stats prior to kick off showing Burnley with and without Mee in the team, are as clear as day, yet idiots calling for him to be pulled off, when he was clearly struggling with the pitch and his footwear is madness. And it needed pointing out.

[Jakubclaret]

We weren't fantastic today by any means, but with a decent ref we'd have probably nicked a point, I do agree we need to find that cutting edge, although it's worth noting we had more efforts on target then them 6-4 in our favour, we do need to be more clinical, however the encouraging aspect is we're creating the chances, we just have to start taking them.

With a decent ref doesn’t even have to be decent mediocre suffices we are walking away with 3, it wasn’t a penalty & Barnes goals should have stood, rightly that’s 0-1 we’ve been dry power bummed.

[MACCA]

Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never!
Winston S. Churchill

I'm rarely wrong

[tarkys_ears]

Obviously I do. I don't like people abusing our players on this board, when they should be backing them.
If you support their 'right', then you're supporting their point of view. Regardless of what you pretend you believe.
Some of the comments first half were ridiculous , it's embarrassing to think some of these people call themselves supporters, when they clearly have no idea what support means.
We can all disagree on tactics, style, line ups etc, but as long as the players give 100%, we shouldn't be having a go at them. The stats prior to kick off showing Burnley with and without Mee in the team, are as clear as day, yet idiots calling for him to be pulled off, when he was clearly struggling with the pitch and his footwear is madness. And it needed pointing out.

I think you ough ask CT to create a "safe space" where snowflakes like you can't be triggered by peoples opinions on a messageboard during a game

[Bigvince]

I'm rarely wrong

I didn’t suggest you were wrong, just that your post advocated throwing the towel in, having said that I think we more than deserved something from the game, with our performance. Would you not agree?

[Colburn_Claret]

I think you ough ask CT to create a "safe space" where snowflakes like you can't be triggered by peoples opinions on a messageboard during a game

I dont need a safe place, nor am I a snowflake.
If its alright for others to slag our players off, how come its wrong for others to call them out for it.
Snowflake

[ClaretTony]

We weren't fantastic today by any means, but with a decent ref we'd have probably nicked a point

Or more likely all three

[ClaretTony]

Obviously I do. I don't like people abusing our players on this board, when they should be backing them.
If you support their 'right', then you're supporting their point of view. Regardless of what you pretend you believe.
Some of the comments first half were ridiculous , it's embarrassing to think some of these people call themselves supporters, when they clearly have no idea what support means.
We can all disagree on tactics, style, line ups etc, but as long as the players give 100%, we shouldn't be having a go at them. The stats prior to kick off showing Burnley with and without Mee in the team, are as clear as day, yet idiots calling for him to be pulled off, when he was clearly struggling with the pitch and his footwear is madness. And it needed pointing out.

Spot on

[tiger76]

Or more likely all three

I'm not sure we deserved the 3 points, but on the balance of play a point apiece would have been fair, I can see why the ref gave the Leeds pen, but the Ben Mee incident baffled me, and that's the one that's really got people's backs up, and why so many including our own manager are fuming.

[ClaretTony]

I'm not sure we deserved the 3 points, but on the balance of play a point apiece would have been fair, I can see why the ref gave the Leeds pen, but the Ben Mee incident baffled me, and that's the one that's really got people's backs up, and why so many including our own manager are fuming.

I can see possibly why he gave the pen but I can't see why it wasn't overturned. I can't see how on earth he can give that free kick against Mee and I can't see how he can yellow card Tarky and not Dallas. He was appalling almost from start to finish.

[tiger76]

I can see possibly why he gave the pen but I can't see why it wasn't overturned. I can't see how on earth he can give that free kick against Mee and I can't see how he can yellow card Tarky and not Dallas. He was appalling almost from start to finish.

Surely this is where VAR should come into it's own though, if the inexperienced onfield ref has made a mistake, and we're all human after all, then the 4th official with the advantage of the technology, should be able to advise him that he's called it wrong and get him to change his decision.

I thought that was supposed to be the whole idea behind VAR to assist the officials to get to the correct decision, and how they spent so little time reviewing the Mee pen incident is even more bizarre, in the Villa-Palace match yesterday they took about 3 minutes to clear up a possible penalty shout, when it was obvious at first glance that the defender had clearly played the ball.

We can only hope that's the last we've seen of Mr Jones for this season anyway, but knowing our luck he'll rear his ugly head again in the near future.

[tarkys_ears]

I dont need a safe place, nor am I a snowflake.
If its alright for others to slag our players off, how come its wrong for others to call them out for it.
Snowflake

I haven't said you couldn't.

This is the SECOND thing you've accused me of doing that I've not done today.

Whats wrong with you?

[Bosscat]

Obviously I do. I don't like people abusing our players on this board, when they should be backing them.
If you support their 'right', then you're supporting their point of view. Regardless of what you pretend you believe.
Some of the comments first half were ridiculous , it's embarrassing to think some of these people call themselves supporters, when they clearly have no idea what support means.
We can all disagree on tactics, style, line ups etc, but as long as the players give 100%, we shouldn't be having a go at them. The stats prior to kick off showing Burnley with and without Mee in the team, are as clear as day, yet idiots calling for him to be pulled off, when he was clearly struggling with the pitch and his footwear is madness. And it needed pointing out.

Well said colburn ignore the empty head m8

[Jakubclaret]

Surely this is where VAR should come into it's own though, if the inexperienced onfield ref has made a mistake, and we're all human after all, then the 4th official with the advantage of the technology, should be able to advise him that he's called it wrong and get him to change his decision.

I thought that was supposed to be the whole idea behind VAR to assist the officials to get to the correct decision, and how they spent so little time reviewing the Mee pen incident is even more bizarre, in the Villa-Palace match yesterday they took about 3 minutes to clear up a possible penalty shout, when it was obvious at first glance that the defender had clearly played the ball.

We can only hope that's the last we've seen of Mr Jones for this season anyway, but knowing our luck he'll rear his ugly head again in the near future.

The villa/palace VAR decision against PVA the defender hadn’t clearly played the ball he attempted to clear the ball but missed & air kicked I don’t think that was enough to make PVA stumble but the defender hadn’t cleared the ball despite the attempt, Taylor didn’t want to overturn because it’s an admission that you’ve made a mistake in the first place.

[tiger76]

The villa/palace VAR decision against PVA the defender hadn’t clearly played the ball he attempted to clear the ball but missed & air kicked I don’t think that was enough to make PVA stumble but the defender hadn’t cleared the ball despite the attempt, Taylor didn’t want to overturn because it’s an admission that you’ve made a mistake in the first place.

It looked on the angle I saw that he'd played the ball, however I do agree either way it didn't merit a penalty, even by the standards of the modern game.

Yes it must be tough for the officials to overrule themselves after making the initial call, I'm sure there was an instance of that happening earlier in the season after the ref had viewed the pitch side monitor, but it is very rare.

Whatever VAR was supposed to achieve it's definitely not cleared up any contentious decisions that's for sure.

[Jakubclaret]

It looked on the angle I saw that he'd played the ball, however I do agree either way it didn't merit a penalty, even by the standards of the modern game.

Yes it must be tough for the officials to overrule themselves after making the initial call, I'm sure there was an instance of that happening earlier in the season after the ref had viewed the pitch side monitor, but it is very rare.

Whatever VAR was supposed to achieve it's definitely not cleared up any contentious decisions that's for sure.

It’ll never do because each situation is open to different types of interpretation, VARS a complete waste of time you might as well just leave it like it used to be, I actually think the old system led to fewer mistakes VAR has somehow inexplicably created more mistakes when it was designed to prevent errors.

[tiger76]

It’ll never do because each situation is open to different types of interpretation, VARS a complete waste of time you might as well just leave it like it used to be, I actually think the old system led to fewer mistakes VAR has somehow inexplicably created more mistakes when it was designed to prevent errors.

Yeas that's true, and even with VAR it's still down to an official making the decision, and they'll call it as they see it on the day.

Personally I'd do away with all the technology apart from the goal decision system, and even that has had it's own woes, namely the big blooper in the Villa game last season, which ultimately allowed them to scramble to survival.

The phrase that springs to mind is too many cooks spoil the broth. How many officials now at a regular PL game, 4 at pitch side, and one at Stockley Park, and despite all those eyes and ears, there is still questionable calls.

[ClaretTony]

Surely this is where VAR should come into it's own though, if the inexperienced onfield ref has made a mistake, and we're all human after all, then the 4th official with the advantage of the technology, should be able to advise him that he's called it wrong and get him to change his decision.

I thought that was supposed to be the whole idea behind VAR to assist the officials to get to the correct decision, and how they spent so little time reviewing the Mee pen incident is even more bizarre, in the Villa-Palace match yesterday they took about 3 minutes to clear up a possible penalty shout, when it was obvious at first glance that the defender had clearly played the ball.

We can only hope that's the last we've seen of Mr Jones for this season anyway, but knowing our luck he'll rear his ugly head again in the near future.

VAR couldn’t get involved with the Mee incident because he gave a free kick before we put the ball in the net.

[Rileybobs]

VAR couldn’t get involved with the Mee incident because he gave a free kick before we put the ball in the net.

VAR could, and should have checked for a potential penalty.

[tiger76]

VAR couldn’t get involved with the Mee incident because he gave a free kick before we put the ball in the net.

Yes he did surely the edict to the officials has been to allow the phase of play to complete, and then VAR will intervene, so if that's the case he was far too quick on the whistle, either way it cost us big time, it should have been a goal (but as he'd blown that couldn't stand) or more pertinently a pen for the foul on Ben, to get one big call going against us is tough, to get 2 in the same incident beggars belief, I can only assume this chap hasn't reffed under a VAR system before, but if that was the case he should have been put through his paces and given some form of direction, obviously as it was only Leeds-Burnley he was posted too, the powers that be deemed that fixture not worthy of their time and effort. And unfortunately for us we get the wring end of the stick. thankfully today's defeat shouldn't prove too damaging in the long run, imagine the furore on here if this had been a relegation decider.

[ClaretTony]

VAR could, and should have checked for a potential penalty.

Don’t think it can once he’s given the free kick but I can Stan corrected on that

[Rileybobs]

Don’t think it can once he’s given the free kick but I can Stan corrected on that

I'd be amazed if VAR couldn't be used to award a penalty in a situation where the original decision is awarded to the other team.

[Bosscat]

Don’t think it can once he’s given the free kick but I can Stan corrected on that

Isn't VAR supposed to correct clear and obvious errors by the Referee though. I think it was against Bournemouth last season, when it was brought back to a Pen for us, after a Bournemouth almost scored at the other end

Like you though I stand to be corrected ... trouble is they change the bloody rules over VAR every couple of weeks

[Zlatan]

Isn't VAR supposed to correct clear and obvious errors by the Referee though. I think it was against Bournemouth last season, when it was brought back to a Pen for us, after a Bournemouth almost scored at the other end

Like you though I stand to be corrected ... trouble is they change the bloody rules over VAR every couple of weeks

Bournemouth did score at the other end and it was overturned and we got the penalty for a handball

[Bosscat]

Bournemouth did score at the other end and it was overturned and we got the penalty for a handball

Thats it

[wilks_bfc]

Bournemouth did score at the other end and it was overturned and we got the penalty for a handball

Which begs the question

If after the Mee incident, Leeds went straight upfield and scored themselves, would they have overruled it and given us the penalty

[ClaretTony]

Isn't VAR supposed to correct clear and obvious errors by the Referee though. I think it was against Bournemouth last season, when it was brought back to a Pen for us, after a Bournemouth almost scored at the other end

Like you though I stand to be corrected ... trouble is they change the bloody rules over VAR every couple of weeks

It was but VAR was reviewing the handball immediately

[ClaretTony]

Which begs the question

If after the Mee incident, Leeds went straight upfield and scored themselves, would they have overruled it and given us the penalty

If nothing had been given by the referee then yes, but I am sure once he's given that free kick that's it. VAR certainly didn't check anything this afternoon.

[MACCA]

I didn’t suggest you were wrong, just that your post advocated throwing the towel in, having said that I think we more than deserved something from the game, with our performance. Would you not agree?

I think we didnt deserve to lose, we were on the wrong end of a couple of poor decisions.
However we didnt create too much.

I would have taken a 1 - 0 defeat as long as we we pick a minimum of 4 points in the next 2 games