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Big Match Revisited

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:18 am

Burnley v Sheff Utd on ITV 4 now.
1975
Edit:
Only brief highlights, but worth watching on ITV4 + 1. (Would need to watch from about 12.15.)
Good Burnley team.
Brian O'Neil playing for Southampton in the game that follows

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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:56 am

Was the Sheff Utd game the one played on a Saturday night about 7.30??
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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:01 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:56 am
Was the Sheff Utd game the one played on a Saturday night about 7.30??
No don't think so. I think that was much later with John Gayle shouldering the ball into the net.
This was ITV (Granada), with Leighton James, Collins, Fletcher and Uwe etc.
Think I spotted myself behind the goals!

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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by Fenwick » Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:59 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:01 pm
No don't think so. I think that was much later with John Gayle shouldering the ball into the net.
This was ITV (Granada), with Leighton James, Collins, Fletcher and Uwe etc.
Think I spotted myself behind the goals!
Regarding the John Gayle one, as the great man said when being interviewed about his hat trick. They all count man !

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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by Silkyskills1 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:09 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:56 am
Was the Sheff Utd game the one played on a Saturday night about 7.30??
That was the season before, 73-74 when the 3 day week was happening.

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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:11 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:56 am
Was the Sheff Utd game the one played on a Saturday night about 7.30??
As Silkyskills has said, it was 1973/74 during the three day week. Saturday was a working day in Burnley. Just short of 19,000 there and Bob Lord hit out at the fans for not supporting Saturday evening football. We had 15,000 at the next home game on a Saturday afternoon.

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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:11 pm
As Silkyskills has said, it was 1973/74 during the three day week. Saturday was a working day in Burnley. Just short of 19,000 there and Bob Lord hit out at the fans for not supporting Saturday evening football. We had 15,000 at the next home game on a Saturday afternoon.
Yes, I remembered Lord having plenty to say about it and it's so weird to think how much consternation a 7.30 kick off on a Saturday evening caused back then. Football NEVER kicked off at any other time than 3.00 (unless mid week) and there was nothing (and I mean NOTHING, except Church) on Sundays. How times have changed!!! And yes, I know there's a brilliant pun in there!! :D

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Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:30 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:09 pm
That was the season before, 73-74 when the 3 day week was happening.
The "John Gayle" match I was thinking of turns out to have been in 1994 and is reported to have been our first "live" TV game in colour. It was played at 5pm on the Sunday Nov 20th.
Just checked on the Jan 1974 fixture which we lost 2-1, but I'm trying to work out why it would be moved to the evening, which would require lighting, whereas others were moved to the afternoon in order not to use floodlights?
(I remember the majority of us taking the afternoon off to watch us play Norwich midweek around that time).
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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by welsbyswife » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:32 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:01 pm
No don't think so. I think that was much later with John Gayle shouldering the ball into the net.
This was ITV (Granada), with Leighton James, Collins, Fletcher and Uwe etc.
Think I spotted myself behind the goals!
The John Gayle shoulder was a friday night game. Elton in the chair, Tyldsley commentating with Lou Macari as co commentator. Football for Free on ITV!! Steve Davies scored a cracker.

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Post by welsbyswife » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:33 pm

Still got it on a VHS tape but no longer have a video!!

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Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:37 pm

welsbyswife wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:32 pm
The John Gayle shoulder was a friday night game. Elton in the chair, Tyldsley commentating with Lou Macari as co commentator. Football for Free on ITV!! Steve Davies scored a cracker.
My recollection was of a Friday or Saturday evening, but it's listed as being Sunday Nov 20th at 17.00.

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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:39 pm

Am I right in thinking we had the two Saturday night matches? I remember losing to an Ipswich side with Mick Mills and Kevin Beattie playing. I thought I saw us lose another but didn’t think it was Sheff U.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:42 pm

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huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:39 pm
Am I right in thinking we had the two Saturday night matches? I remember losing to an Ipswich side with Mick Mills and Kevin Beattie playing. I thought I saw us lose another but didn’t think it was Sheff U.
Ipswich was the next home game but I’m sure we didn’t experiment with the Sat evening kick off again.

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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:44 pm

7 pm kick off v Sheff U but back to 3 pm for Ipswich
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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:44 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:30 pm
The "John Gayle" match I was thinking of turns out to have been in 1994 and is reported to have been our first "live" TV game in colour. It was played at 5pm on the Sunday Nov 20th.
Just checked on the Jan 1974 fixture which we lost 1-0, but I'm trying to work out why it would be moved to the evening, which would require lighting, whereas others were moved to the afternoon in order not to use floodlights?
(I remember the majority of us taking the afternoon off to watch us play Norwich midweek around that time).
My memory re why the Sheff Utd evening match was played on the Saturday evening was that Lord felt maybe we'd pull a bigger crowd as people could go to football and then go out nightclubbing etc. I was sure he touted it as an "experiment" because he was always bemoaning our lack of numbers turning up, but as mentioned above, it was very much a one off as he still moaned about the size of the crowd and we lost!! I can't remember clearly, but the kick off time must have impacted negatively on the usually large away following and was always going to.

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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by strayclaret » Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:10 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:09 pm
That was the season before, 73-74 when the 3 day week was happening.
More memories. That was the first time I took a “young lady” to a match. We stopped on the way back at the Herders over the tops back to Keighley for a couple of shandy’s. Nothing else transpired as I’d left my lights on my Wolsely Hornet and she had to push it to help me jump start it 😩.
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Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:16 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:30 pm
The "John Gayle" match I was thinking of turns out to have been in 1994 and is reported to have been our first "live" TV game in colour. It was played at 5pm on the Sunday Nov 20th.
Just checked on the Jan 1974 fixture which we lost 2-1, but I'm trying to work out why it would be moved to the evening, which would require lighting, whereas others were moved to the afternoon in order not to use floodlights?
(I remember the majority of us taking the afternoon off to watch us play Norwich midweek around that time).
I also remember that as I was 5 and remember him doing this huge spit when the camera zoomed in on a corner and thought it was disgusting :lol:

Those were the days id wake up at 5 every day and watch Burnley videos until my parents woke up to make me breakfast
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Post by strayclaret » Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:04 pm

strayclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:10 pm
More memories. That was the first time I took a “young lady” to a match. We stopped on the way back at the Herders over the tops back to Keighley for a couple of shandy’s. Nothing else transpired as I’d left my lights on my Wolsely Hornet and she had to push it to help me jump start it 😩.
Helen Bell what happened to you ?💋
Sorry Helen just heard off line, it should have been me. Not that you’re reading this😉

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Re: Big Match Revisited

Post by Targetman » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:15 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:44 pm
My memory re why the Sheff Utd evening match was played on the Saturday evening was that Lord felt maybe we'd pull a bigger crowd as people could go to football and then go out nightclubbing etc. I was sure he touted it as an "experiment" because he was always bemoaning our lack of numbers turning up, but as mentioned above, it was very much a one off as he still moaned about the size of the crowd and we lost!! I can't remember clearly, but the kick off time must have impacted negatively on the usually large away following and was always going to.
During the miners strike of the mid 1970's the whole country was put on a 3 day working week, different areas worked different days. East Lancashire's working days were Thursday, Friday and Saturday, the rest of the week there was no power either in homes or workplaces.

Therefore if Burnley had played on a Saturday afternoon the crowd would have been incredibly low because everyone was working.

The club/Bob Lord decided to buy, or maybe even rent, their own generator to power the floodlights for an evening kick off. Hence thats why we played Sheffield United on a Saturday night. If my memory serves me correctly we lost the game, seemingly Bob Lord had expected a larger crowd and made his views known in the local media.

Again if I remember correctly, I seem to recall we played Norwich at home on a Tuesday afternoon?

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Post by strayclaret » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:05 am

Texaco cup Kevin Keelan played a blinder On a frozen pitch. Another memory coming later 😊

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:11 am

Targetman wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:15 pm
Again if I remember correctly, I seem to recall we played Norwich at home on a Tuesday afternoon?
That was before the 3 day week was introduced. While the Sheff U game was in Jan, the Norwich game was in November. As posted, was in the Texaco Cup. The home league game against Norwich was 11 days later

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Post by strayclaret » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:21 am

Memories revisited. Tommy Thomas you took 4 of us from Airedale General in the back of your dads van. I can’t remember what cans we tried to supp, but bouncing around it was impossible 😊

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Post by strayclaret » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:26 am

strayclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:21 am
Memories revisited. Tommy Thomas you took 4 of us from Airedale General in the back of your dads van. I can’t remember what cans we tried to supp, but bouncing around it was impossible 😊
Sorry this was the game Norwich Tuesday afternoon

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Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:09 am

Targetman wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:15 pm
During the miners strike of the mid 1970's the whole country was put on a 3 day working week, different areas worked different days. East Lancashire's working days were Thursday, Friday and Saturday, the rest of the week there was no power either in homes or workplaces.

Therefore if Burnley had played on a Saturday afternoon the crowd would have been incredibly low because everyone was working.

The club/Bob Lord decided to buy, or maybe even rent, their own generator to power the floodlights for an evening kick off. Hence thats why we played Sheffield United on a Saturday night. If my memory serves me correctly we lost the game, seemingly Bob Lord had expected a larger crowd and made his views known in the local media.

Again if I remember correctly, I seem to recall we played Norwich at home on a Tuesday afternoon?
You may well be right Targetman re why we played Sheff U at home on the Saturday evening and you are definitely correct about the Norwich game being on the Tuesday afternoon because of a ban on unnecessary power usage. I was at high school and although I gave it large beforehand saying I was going to the game, in the end I didn't bunk off school to attend as my mum said she'd be checking ( :roll: ), but quite a lot did.

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Post by Quicknick » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:55 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:18 am
Burnley v Sheff Utd on ITV 4 now.
1975
Edit:
Only brief highlights, but worth watching on ITV4 + 1. (Would need to watch from about 12.15.)
Good Burnley team.
Brian O'Neil playing for Southampton in the game that follows
A friend of mine played against Brian O'Neil in non-league football in the southwest. He said he was the best player and the hardest player he ever played against. My friend is an ex-pro who was injured early in his career and slipped into the Southern Premier League with Poole Town. By the time he faced O'Neil, he was playing at a lower level.

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Post by Shappie » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:30 am

Quicknick wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:55 am
A friend of mine played against Brian O'Neil in non-league football in the southwest. He said he was the best player and the hardest player he ever played against. My friend is an ex-pro who was injured early in his career and slipped into the Southern Premier League with Poole Town. By the time he faced O'Neil, he was playing at a lower level.
Was he playing for Bideford by any chance?

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Post by scouseclaret » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:33 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:18 am
Burnley v Sheff Utd on ITV 4 now.
1975
Edit:
Only brief highlights, but worth watching on ITV4 + 1. (Would need to watch from about 12.15.)
Good Burnley team.
Brian O'Neil playing for Southampton in the game that follows
My debut at the Turf!

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Post by Stan Tastic » Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:06 am

The 1994 Sheff Utd game was on a Sunday afternoon and my son was mascot. John Gayle hit the highest shot I've ever seen when he struck the front of the roof of the Cricket Field stand from about 25 yards out.

The full game here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js_UWtP ... UFCHistory

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