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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:48 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:43 pm
Rodgers never played for a top club though.

Neither did Wenger, or Jose.
Not sure Fergie did tbh
No but there started off at smaller clubs & advanced there got recognised, they didn’t get out of bed 1 morning & started managing eg Real Madrid, think Rodgers was Swansea not sure before that, fergie Aberdeen not sure before that, arsene Nancy.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by Bosscat » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:53 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:48 pm
No but there started off at smaller clubs & advanced there got recognised, they didn’t get out of bed 1 morning & started managing eg Real Madrid, think Rodgers was Swansea not sure before that, fergie Aberdeen not sure before that, arsene Nancy.
Brian Clough another 🙂
Played for
Boro Div 2
Sunderland mostly Div 2 final season in Div 1

But managed at quite a high level 😉
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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:56 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:48 pm
No but there started off at smaller clubs & advanced there got recognised, they didn’t get out of bed 1 morning & started managing eg Real Madrid, think Rodgers was Swansea not sure before that, fergie Aberdeen not sure before that, arsene Nancy.
The comment was about the opportunity afforded to former players because of who they played for.

Just showing that it isn't always down to that.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by TVC15 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:59 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:42 pm
Rodgers had zero European football experience as either player or manager.

2009 was was the last time Spurs finished outside the top 6 and Poch had played 32 games in European Cup competition.

All those people stating the top 6 clubs will only want managers with European experience aren't correct, as proven.

Lampard didn't even have that good a season with Derby yet walked into Chelsea, only because of their transfer ban though.
Ok back off with the attitude eh

I got mixed up with Rodgers as thought you meant his appointment at Leicester knowing he had all the CL experience at Celtic.

Nobody is arguing that Lampard got his job at Chelsea because of a fantastic managerial career. But he does have more experience of the CL than the vast majority of managers across all the top leagues in Europe - even if it is just playing in the competition for Chelsea.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:59 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:56 pm
The comment was about the opportunity afforded to former players because of who they played for.

Just showing that it isn't always down to that.
It’s usually a combination thru playing & managing & contacts are probably understated & can go a long way for a leg up, unless you happen to be called Steve kean :D
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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:04 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:59 pm
Ok back off with the attitude eh

I got mixed up with Rodgers as thought you meant his appointment at Leicester knowing he had all the CL experience at Celtic.

Nobody is arguing that Lampard got his job at Chelsea because of a fantastic managerial career. But he does have more experience of the CL than the vast majority of managers across all the top leagues in Europe - even if it is just playing in the competition for Chelsea.
No attitude here, just bemused by people saying Dyche doesn't meet the criteria for a top 6 job when he's met it already.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by TVC15 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:15 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:04 pm
No attitude here, just bemused by people saying Dyche doesn't meet the criteria for a top 6 job when he's met it already.
You’re bemused some people have a different opinion to you ?
Ok.

In reality if you look at the top 6 clubs as in City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Spurs, and Arsenal I am pretty sure that Dyche himself thinks he would not meet the “criteria” for what that are looking for....and whilst this criteria is probably different for all these clubs and is not restricted to just experience in the CL....it includes other things too like his style of football, his playing career, the fact he is not best friends with billionaire owners, his lack of experiencing in playing or managing at a big club etc.

But doubt any of the clubs would say they have a set of definitive criteria like this anyway and they have all proved that at some point they have made appointments that surprised their own fans, others in football.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by clarethomer » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:21 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:14 pm
The big 6 want managers with CL experience?

Arsenal - Arteta
Utd - Ole
Spurs - Jose but prior to that Poch
Chelsea - Lampard
City - Pep
Liverpool - Klopp but Rodgers before that.

Out of all those managers only 3 had previous CL experience before taking over..... Sort of blows that out of the water tbh.
Or have a track with working with the clubs. All those managers have history with them.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by clarethomer » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:23 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:21 pm
Arsenal, Man u. and Chelsea have inexperienced managers at CL level.
But have, as players, been successful at the highest level as a player and know those clubs well and have the right image for the brand of football they want. i.e. a track record with those clubs which was the other element I referenced.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:31 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:21 pm
Or have a track with working with the clubs. All those managers have history with them.
Rodgers and Poch had no dealings with their respective former employers aside from maybe in the transfer market.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:31 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:23 pm
But have, as players, been successful at the highest level as a player and know those clubs well and have the right image for the brand of football they want. i.e. a track record with those clubs which was the other element I referenced.
Successful players don't always make successful managers.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:39 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:15 pm
You’re bemused some people have a different opinion to you ?
Ok.

In reality if you look at the top 6 clubs as in City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Spurs, and Arsenal I am pretty sure that Dyche himself thinks he would not meet the “criteria” for what that are looking for....and whilst this criteria is probably different for all these clubs and is not restricted to just experience in the CL....it includes other things too like his style of football, his playing career, the fact he is not best friends with billionaire owners, his lack of experiencing in playing or managing at a big club etc.

But doubt any of the clubs would say they have a set of definitive criteria like this anyway and they have all proved that at some point they have made appointments that surprised their own fans, others in football.
Bemused by people dismissing Dyche for poor reasons.

I've already proven that you don't need to be a successful player to get a managers job in the top 6, nor an experienced manager.

Dyche may well evolve his style again now the club has different owners, he's already done it before the season we finished 7th.

If the top 6 decide to keep overlooking Dyche in favour of lesser experience managers then that's fine, but to trot out tired excuses on here is just odd.

He's a far better manager than many give him credit for, during his whole tenure here there's never been a hint of him losing the dressing room (despite claims on here), he's generally done quite well in the transfer market and his team has evolved over time.
At some point he could well move on when the right job opens up and it may be a top 6 job, it could be one of those that hovers around just outside the top 6.

He may even make Burnley one of the hoverers now we have different owners.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:13 am

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:15 pm
You’re bemused some people have a different opinion to you ?
Ok.

In reality if you look at the top 6 clubs as in City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Spurs, and Arsenal I am pretty sure that Dyche himself thinks he would not meet the “criteria” for what that are looking for....and whilst this criteria is probably different for all these clubs and is not restricted to just experience in the CL....it includes other things too like his style of football, his playing career, the fact he is not best friends with billionaire owners, his lack of experiencing in playing or managing at a big club etc.

But doubt any of the clubs would say they have a set of definitive criteria like this anyway and they have all proved that at some point they have made appointments that surprised their own fans, others in football.

Whether Sean is deemed to fit the criteria or not, it’s well worth noting not once as Sean ever expressed a desire to manage a club with CL status, I’m not suggesting he’s not ambitious but he might just be settled & happy here & ultimately feels secure. If the bigger clubs wanted Sean & Sean himself wanted to move we wouldn’t even be having this conversation if that doesn’t tell you something nothing ever will.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by what_no_pies » Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:15 am

In any other industry Sean Dyche would have the top job at a leading company. In football perception from fans and media has so much gravitas and as we all know those people incorrectly underestimate and fail to credit unfashionable clubs like Burnley. It plays to our advantage so just have a wry smile and let them carry on.

Back to Newcastle - I live here and haven't heard a peep about Bruce going. Not that I would expect to. A quick word on Rafa though - I met him at a black tie event and couldn't have been more impressed. My mate (a Liverpool fan) wanted a photo so we asked Rafa and he was happy to oblige. After a bit of faffing with the camera whilst I had the first photo taken Rafa had to rush off for some reason. A good half an hour later Rafa Benitez came back in search of us so that Chris didn't miss out on his photo. The room was packed and he must have made some effort to even find us. Absolute gentleman.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by Targetman » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:37 am

pushpinpussy wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:49 pm
Been sacked apparently
Did you hear that whilst you were in your villa in Marbella?

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by Hipper » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:42 am

To be fair to Bruce he's lost two very key players - Lascelles and Saint-Maximin.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by Garnerssoap » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:03 am

levraiclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:37 pm
Did you not see the way we were playing back when Defour and Brady were fit and firing?
Those were the days. We were awesome first half of that season. I’d call that next level.

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:05 am

Targetman wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:37 am
Did you hear that whilst you were in your villa in Marbella?
You mean that Marbella with the Bacup IP Address 🤭🤭🤭

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Re: Steve Bruce

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by bfcmik » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:01 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:43 pm
Rodgers never played for a top club though.

Neither did Wenger, or Jose.
Not sure Fergie did tbh
As a player Fergie reached the Inter_City Fairs Cup semi-finals on 2 occasions with Rangers.
As a manager he won the European Cup-Winners Cup with Aberdeen so I think it is fair to say he had reasonable European pedigree before being appointed to manage Man Utd

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Re: Steve Bruce

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:13 pm

bfcmik wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:01 pm
As a player Fergie reached the Inter_City Fairs Cup semi-finals on 2 occasions with Rangers.
As a manager he won the European Cup-Winners Cup with Aberdeen so I think it is fair to say he had reasonable European pedigree before being appointed to manage Man Utd
Hardly a top player and it wasn't littered with honours so I'm gonna say my point still stands.

Don't need to be a top player to become a top manager.
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