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Halfway Line Flags

Post by basil6345789 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:32 pm

When did we drop halfway line flags and come down to just the 4 corner ones?
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:42 pm

Bloody good point. We should start a HLF matter campaign!
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Bosscat » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:43 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:42 pm
Bloody good point. We should start a HLF matter campaign!
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by tim_noone » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:46 pm

basil6345789 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:32 pm
When did we drop halfway line flags and come down to just the 4 corner ones?
After the Burnley v Celtic game 1978
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:51 pm

They were always optional. The corner flags are mandatory, however, that was never the case with the ones placed opposite the halfway line.
The corner flags are part of the field of play because the ball can hit the flag pole and stay in play, however, the flags at halfway had to be placed away from the touchline and did not constitute part of the field of play.
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Untinted Glasses » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:55 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:51 pm
They were always optional. The corner flags are mandatory, however, that was never the case with the ones placed opposite the halfway line.
The corner flags are part of the field of play because the ball can hit the flag pole and stay in play, however, the flags at halfway had to be placed away from the touchline and did not constitute part of the field of play.
The thread was going in s nice direction and then you got all serious :(
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:01 pm

Untinted Glasses wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:55 pm
The thread was going in s nice direction and then you got all serious :(
Life's tough isn't it? :D Just don't take life too seriously ---it's only a game and we are just a minor part of it!
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by jdrobbo » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:15 pm

They were definitely used in 1992-1994 on the Turf

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Post by FCBurnley » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:23 pm

Economy measure in the bad old days

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Hibsclaret » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:33 pm

They should bring them back as white flags to be held aloft when VAR are making a decision.....
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:55 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:51 pm
They were always optional. The corner flags are mandatory, however, that was never the case with the ones placed opposite the halfway line.
The corner flags are part of the field of play because the ball can hit the flag pole and stay in play, however, the flags at halfway had to be placed away from the touchline and did not constitute part of the field of play.
There was a minimum distance I think from the field of play too. I’m never sure really what purpose they served. We always had them but a lot of clubs didn’t. I’ve not seen any in years.

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:58 pm

On the subject of flags, we once kicked off a game at Carlisle without corner flags, it was the 0-0 draw there in 1988/89. The referee was George Courtney and neither he nor his linesmen noticed until we got the first corner of the game. Courtney signalled that he wanted the flags but carried on while one bloke came out and walked round putting them in place.

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by The Enclosure » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:18 am

Am sure something like that happened on the Turf once.
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:19 am

Definitely paid 99p for some from Benns Sports just to make my Subbuteo more realistic.
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by welsbyswife » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:13 am

I wonder if it relates to the improvement in pitches. In the bad old days of cabbage patches the half way flags would be a useful visual aid. These days the pitches and pitch markings are much clearer so no real need for them.

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Untinted Glasses » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:18 am

Used to stop linesman going into the wrong half when the pitches were bad (markings).
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Claretforever » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:27 am

I suspect it has something to do with when the formation of technical areas occurred, and the fourth official standing around that area most of the match?

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:03 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:19 am
Definitely paid 99p for some from Benns Sports just to make my Subbuteo more realistic.
Absolutely, Charlie. I remember redesigning the Subbuteo goals to copy those of the Turf, those with the brackets to to the top of each side of the goals with the nets hanging down.
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Petersa » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:17 am

Hibsclaret wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:33 pm
They should bring them back as white flags to be held aloft when VAR are making a decision.....
Looking at some of the VAR decisions I can think of a more suitable place to stick them

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:28 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:58 pm
On the subject of flags, we once kicked off a game at Carlisle without corner flags, it was the 0-0 draw there in 1988/89. The referee was George Courtney and neither he nor his linesmen noticed until we got the first corner of the game. Courtney signalled that he wanted the flags but carried on while one bloke came out and walked round putting them in place.
Didn't something similar happen at the 1974 World Cup Final with Jack Taylor as referee although I'm not sure the game continued as the flange were being put in place. Definitely flags on the half way line at the '66 World Cup because Argentine captain, Rattin, wiped his hands on one when he was sent off.

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:30 am

Edit: for 'flange' read flags. :o :o
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:55 am

Silkyskills1 wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:28 am
Didn't something similar happen at the 1974 World Cup Final with Jack Taylor as referee although I'm not sure the game continued as the flange were being put in place. Definitely flags on the half way line at the '66 World Cup because Argentine captain, Rattin, wiped his hands on one when he was sent off.
It did happen in the 1974 final too but Taylor didn't continue. I was always surprised that Courtney did that night. And just to think Rattin wiped his hands and Ramsey still wouldn't allow us to shake hands with him.

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by pureclaret » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:57 am

Subbuteo from Bens used to be a highlight of Saturday going there to buy the visiting team so when I got back from the Turf I could replay our maginficent win, not sure why at the end of the season in real life why Burnley were not league champions, FA cup winners Or why England did not win the World cup after beating Brazil 7-2 in the final when all I did was replay the games.
Funny I put the christamas decorations back in the loft and noticed an old card board box taped up but a bit of green cloth stuck out that i pushed back, I smiled at the thought of what was inside without looking in, from memory there is the original first cloth (turf moor Pitch) second new cloth possibley is 48 years old. rounded post nets, square post nets all with traditional seoltape and arfix glue to hold together, Balls , brown large ones smaller yellow and white ones corner flags goal kicker (not traditional but fun ) Thrown in guy practice walls assorted crowd officials. goal keepers in different positons on plastic sticks some with springs on. Teams at least 15 boxes Burnely home team , away team . Man utd, city , spurs, everton wolves , liverpool , Arsenal, Brazil, Chelsea and several others also colour chart with the different teams with same or similar strips. some players that were hand painted to replace broken ones from kneeling or hand damage from playing on the floor. home made flood lights that were always being knocked over during games. I nearly got it out to play with Grand child but then remembered lock down and whilst child care is permited unsure if subbuteo would be classed as educational and of benefit or would it be classed as child endanger met as id dive forward to flick the payer to score a goal.
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:50 pm

Brilliant, pureclaret, brilliant.

I think Jack Bray's was the Subbuteo stockist in Nelson.
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by turfytopper » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:04 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:50 pm
Brilliant, pureclaret, brilliant.

I think Jack Bray's was the Subbuteo stockist in Nelson.
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by turfytopper » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:06 pm

can you imagine a flagpost being a yard from the touchline at Turf Moor....a player could impale himself as they's be at the bottom of the hill lol.

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by whentheballmoves » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:32 pm

I don't think, strictly speaking, that corner flags are compulsory for a game of football. They're there to help the officials decide if it's a corner or a throw in, I believe.

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by dpinsussex » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:39 pm

whentheballmoves wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:32 pm
I don't think, strictly speaking, that corner flags are compulsory for a game of football. They're there to help the officials decide if it's a corner or a throw in, I believe.
Not correct unfortunately.

Law 1

A flagpost, at least 1.5 m (5 ft) high, with a non-pointed top and a flag must be placed at each corner.

Flagposts may be placed at each end of the halfway line, at least 1 m (1 yd) outside the touchline.
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by BFCmaj » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:42 pm

On the topic of Subbuteo, I always liked the fact that one set of players could be several teams. I had Burnley which could also be Aston Villa, West Ham or Scunthorpe. My Norwich set was also Sampdoria.

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by Vino blanco » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:50 pm

Talking of Subbuteo, have you ever wondered why it is called Subbuteo, because the name isn't really football related? In 1947 when Peter Adolph, its creator filed a patent for the game he wanted to call it "Hobby", but this was already a registered trademark. Being also an ornithologist he looked at the Latin name for the hobby (a bird) which is falcus Subbuteo, meaning a falcon of the lesser buzzard family. This is where we get the name from.

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by get stuck in tracy » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:57 pm

BFCmaj wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:42 pm
On the topic of Subbuteo, I always liked the fact that one set of players could be several teams. I had Burnley which could also be Aston Villa, West Ham or Scunthorpe. My Norwich set was also Sampdoria.
Dont forget Northampton,
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Post by get stuck in tracy » Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:01 pm

My favorite Subbuteo player was (serious) Dennis Rattler whos washer had come loose! he played for Bristol Rovers, one of the best teams at 34, Sussex St. In those days
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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:53 pm

I've still got the Subbuteo FA Cup somewhere. It's the nearest we'll get to it..............................

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Re: Halfway Line Flags

Post by expoultryboy » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:26 pm

I used to get my subbuteo teams from Jack Bray's in the early 70's . I mentioned on another thread, that he had a magnetic football game you could play on .

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Post by ClaretMov » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:26 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:53 pm
I've still got the Subbuteo FA Cup somewhere. It's the nearest we'll get to it..............................
???????? We've already won the FA cup

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:31 pm

I used to look forward to when they brought out the new fold up poster each year with all the new teams and kits and I’d pore through it seeing who was what. When I was 8 it was limited, there’d be about 20 teams worldwide for white shirts black shorts. When I eventually gave up it had reached 800, but I had far better things to do in my thirties :D

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