West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

This Forum is the main messageboard to discuss all things Claret and Blue and beyond
Gordaleman
Posts: 3981
Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:04 pm
Been Liked: 853 times
Has Liked: 604 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:23 pm

As I said earlier, I could understand Wood and Barnes starting if McNeil was supplying crosses, but he isn't.

And knowing Sean, that means he's unlikely to come of the bench until at least the 60th minute, by which time, Vyds and JayRod are likely to come on.

I think Sean is doing things the wrong way round.

Safron
Posts: 1427
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 220 times
Has Liked: 172 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Safron » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:25 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:23 pm
As I said earlier, I could understand Wood and Barnes starting if McNeil was supplying crosses, but he isn't.

And knowing Sean, that means he's unlikely to come of the bench until at least the 60th minute, by which time, Vyds and JayRod are likely to come on.

I think Sean is doing things the wrong way round.
Time will tell who is right

jojomk1
Posts: 4735
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:20 am
Been Liked: 836 times
Has Liked: 574 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:26 pm

Disappointing not to see McNeil starting
The only wide man who could take on the full back down the outside and cross the ball to strikers who would then actually be facing the opposition goal
I agree Wood and Barnes have been poor lately but when they always have to receive the ball with their backs to the goal they haven't the pace or skill to deal with it in the penalty area never mind elsewhere

BaronGarcia
Posts: 49
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:36 pm
Been Liked: 108 times
Has Liked: 16 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by BaronGarcia » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:26 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:21 pm
7th in the Premier League form table based on the last 6 games....... how on earth is that not producing results?
Fair challenge Dandeclaret. Our defensive shape is clearly getting us 'results', with Mee, Tarks & Pope, in particular, doing what they do well, but to win games you have to score goals. That was more my point. We need contribution from the front two, and Wolves game aside, they just aren't showing they are a threat. Lets hope today that all changes, as I am a big fan of both.

jojomk1
Posts: 4735
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:20 am
Been Liked: 836 times
Has Liked: 574 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:29 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:23 pm
As I said earlier, I could understand Wood and Barnes starting if McNeil was supplying crosses, but he isn't.

And knowing Sean, that means he's unlikely to come of the bench until at least the 60th minute, by which time, Vyds and JayRod are likely to come on.
Are you seriously suggesting our Ginger Messiah will be making three substitutions by around the hour mark ?

Gordaleman
Posts: 3981
Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:04 pm
Been Liked: 853 times
Has Liked: 604 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:30 pm

Safron wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:25 pm
Time will tell who is right
It's not about right or wrong but it makes sense to me to have our best winger on at the same time as Barnes and Wood.

When Vyds and JayRod are on the pitch, we're more likely to score playing through the middle of the park.

Bigvince
Posts: 2638
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:39 pm
Been Liked: 930 times
Has Liked: 699 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Bigvince » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:30 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:23 pm
As I said earlier, I could understand Wood and Barnes starting if McNeil was supplying crosses, but he isn't.

And knowing Sean, that means he's unlikely to come of the bench until at least the 60th minute, by which time, Vyds and JayRod are likely to come on.

I think Sean is doing things the wrong way round.
In all fairness, Sean Dyche has been right more times than Wellsy has been wrong, and that takes some doing!
This user liked this post: FactualFrank

Hedontplayforyou
Posts: 2332
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:01 am
Been Liked: 545 times
Has Liked: 51 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:31 pm

I’m going to put my neck on the line and say both Barnes and Wood will score today

jojomk1
Posts: 4735
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:20 am
Been Liked: 836 times
Has Liked: 574 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:33 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:31 pm
I’m going to put my neck on the line and say both Barnes and Wood will score today
Have you left me anything in your will ;)

kentonclaret
Posts: 6437
Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:06 pm
Been Liked: 969 times
Has Liked: 204 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by kentonclaret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:34 pm

Since Burnley lie 20th in the table for goals scored in the final 20 minutes of games, perhaps the penny will drop with SD that bringing on a fresh pair of strikers to grab a goal with 10 minutes remaining isn't really working.

Whether it will happen in this match who knows?
This user liked this post: jojomk1

Safron
Posts: 1427
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 220 times
Has Liked: 172 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Safron » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:36 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:34 pm
Since Burnley lie 20th in the table for goals scored in the final 20 minutes of games, perhaps the penny will drop with SD that bringing on a fresh pair of strikers to grab a goal with 10 minutes remaining isn't really working.

Whether it will happen in this match who knows?
Point well made, I wonder if dyche knows that stat

Tall Paul
Posts: 7171
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:07 am
Been Liked: 2560 times
Has Liked: 690 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Tall Paul » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:36 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:34 pm
Since Burnley lie 20th in the table for goals scored in the final 20 minutes of games, perhaps the penny will drop with SD that bringing on a fresh pair of strikers to grab a goal with 10 minutes remaining isn't really working.

Whether it will happen in this match who knows?
You mean he should be sticking with Wood and Barnes for longer?

ksrclaret
Posts: 6806
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:56 am
Been Liked: 2488 times
Has Liked: 761 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:36 pm

Urgh.

box_of_frogs
Posts: 4955
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:47 am
Been Liked: 1087 times
Has Liked: 996 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by box_of_frogs » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:11 pm
Thanks for asking. I'd love to. The quote is "insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results." Its attributed to Einstein. But he never said it. Probably because it's incorrect. If you do the same thing over and over, you should expect different results. That's chaos theory. And it is a well evidenced theory which we see on a daily basis.
Love the theory, but if I get a hammer and **** myself on the thumb with it, it’s going to hurt every single time.......

Rileybobs
Posts: 16686
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:37 pm
Been Liked: 6899 times
Has Liked: 1471 times
Location: Leeds

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:39 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:34 pm
Since Burnley lie 20th in the table for goals scored in the final 20 minutes of games, perhaps the penny will drop with SD that bringing on a fresh pair of strikers to grab a goal with 10 minutes remaining isn't really working.

Whether it will happen in this match who knows?
Considering we’re 20th in the table for goals scored at any time that’s hardly surprising.

Safron
Posts: 1427
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 220 times
Has Liked: 172 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Safron » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:41 pm

Must be hard for jay and vydra to keep positive knowing that no matter how hard you train and play nothing will get you a start no matter how poor Barnes and wood play
This user liked this post: Gordaleman

Rileybobs
Posts: 16686
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:37 pm
Been Liked: 6899 times
Has Liked: 1471 times
Location: Leeds

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:42 pm

Safron wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:41 pm
Must be hard for jay and vydra to keep positive knowing that no matter how hard you train and play nothing will get you a start no matter how poor Barnes and wood play
Maybe Jay and Vydra aren’t showing Dyche enough in training, or when they’re given opportunities to play.

huw.Y.WattfromWare
Posts: 3393
Joined: Fri May 08, 2020 7:04 pm
Been Liked: 1004 times
Has Liked: 905 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:42 pm

Good afternoon, Clarets everywhere. With the NZ supporters having a get together, lucky people, maybe our Kiwi can come good. COYC.

ClaretTony
Posts: 67429
Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
Been Liked: 32238 times
Has Liked: 5254 times
Location: Burnley
Contact:

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:42 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:42 pm
Maybe Jay and Vydra aren’t showing Dyche enough in training, or when they’re given opportunities to play.
I don't think Jay is fully fit yet to be honest

Guller Bull
Posts: 2526
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:01 pm
Been Liked: 763 times
Has Liked: 1001 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Guller Bull » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:43 pm

I would just like to say hello and that I hope we win today.

ClaretTony
Posts: 67429
Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
Been Liked: 32238 times
Has Liked: 5254 times
Location: Burnley
Contact:

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:43 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:42 pm
Good afternoon, Clarets everywhere. With the NZ supporters having a get together, lucky people, maybe our Kiwi can come good. COYC.
It's their second meeting and he scored our goal the first time they met

joey13
Posts: 7501
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:39 pm
Been Liked: 1767 times
Has Liked: 1230 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by joey13 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:45 pm

Wood first goal scorer today 👍

joey13
Posts: 7501
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:39 pm
Been Liked: 1767 times
Has Liked: 1230 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by joey13 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:42 pm
I don't think Jay is fully fit yet to be honest
Or Dwight

Safron
Posts: 1427
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 220 times
Has Liked: 172 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Safron » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:42 pm
I don't think Jay is fully fit yet to be honest
This may be true, but you can only get fit by playing games.

Rileybobs
Posts: 16686
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:37 pm
Been Liked: 6899 times
Has Liked: 1471 times
Location: Leeds

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:46 pm

Safron wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:46 pm
This may be true, but you can only get fit by playing games.
I don’t think that’s true.

Vintage Claret
Posts: 2201
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:03 pm
Been Liked: 932 times
Has Liked: 607 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Vintage Claret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:47 pm

Not surprised to see Wood start or Vydra on the bench but did think Jayrod would start ahead of Ash.

Oh well, he's proved his doubters wrong many times before, let's hope it's another "see, told you so" from Sean around 5pm!

Tribesmen
Posts: 5064
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:15 am
Been Liked: 1176 times
Has Liked: 635 times
Location: Tibet

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Tribesmen » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:47 pm

Sad to delete posts , Listen to what the people want .

VOTE .
This user liked this post: ksrclaret

Gordaleman
Posts: 3981
Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:04 pm
Been Liked: 853 times
Has Liked: 604 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:47 pm

joey13 wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:45 pm
Wood first goal scorer today 👍
Well, if he's never dropped, then one day you will be right.

Let's hope it's today, but that will only guarantee he starts every game until the end of the season.

Guller Bull
Posts: 2526
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:01 pm
Been Liked: 763 times
Has Liked: 1001 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Guller Bull » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:50 pm

Can I just say I couldn't give a monkeys whether a French pop star that we have nicknamed Madge shows her arse or not (I can search that elsewhere ) - What I want is a decent Matchday thread with a bit of fun and passion and less Mardarsery!
This user liked this post: Zlatan

Hedontplayforyou
Posts: 2332
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:01 am
Been Liked: 545 times
Has Liked: 51 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:52 pm

UTC

diamondpocket
Posts: 1367
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:18 pm
Been Liked: 254 times
Has Liked: 215 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by diamondpocket » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:52 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:46 pm
I don’t think that’s true.
You don't get match fitness Premier League standard by only training. Dyche said it in his press conference. They may be fit but they aren't matchday fit. You only get that by playing.
This user liked this post: Safron

icu81b4
Posts: 1967
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:55 pm
Been Liked: 341 times
Has Liked: 469 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by icu81b4 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:52 pm

Good afternoon all from the Coconut Coast,

A tough battle today, please get Jay or Vydra on early


UTC

Tribesmen
Posts: 5064
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:15 am
Been Liked: 1176 times
Has Liked: 635 times
Location: Tibet

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Tribesmen » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:53 pm

Guller Bull wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:50 pm
Can I just say I couldn't give a monkeys whether a French pop star that we have nicknamed Madge shows her arse or not (I can search that elsewhere ) - What I want is a decent Matchday thread with a bit of fun and passion and less Mardarsery!

VOTE ...............

joey13
Posts: 7501
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:39 pm
Been Liked: 1767 times
Has Liked: 1230 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by joey13 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:54 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:47 pm
Well, if he's never dropped, then one day you will be right.

Let's hope it's today, but that will only guarantee he starts every game until the end of the season.
Trust me 😀

djemba-djemba
Posts: 650
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:12 pm
Been Liked: 129 times
Has Liked: 40 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by djemba-djemba » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:54 pm

Whenever England play you always get posters on here saying they won’t watch the games because Southgate always picks the same players no matter how poor their form is.

I fail to see the difference with Dyche.

Yes, one day Wood and Barnes may come back into some form (today may even be that day) but I’m sure Southgate thinks the same with the players he picks for the England squad.

Dark Cloud
Posts: 6586
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:03 am
Been Liked: 1981 times
Has Liked: 3299 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:54 pm

icu81b4 wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:52 pm
Good afternoon all from the Coconut Coast,

A tough battle today, please get Jay or Vydra on early


UTC
Making subs early??? Hillarious!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

RalphCoatesComb
Posts: 8049
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:38 pm
Been Liked: 2415 times
Has Liked: 2115 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:55 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:04 pm
Need a big result and good performances from the front two.

There will be a big backlash if not i'm afraid.
Another one you mean? ;)

Dark Cloud
Posts: 6586
Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:03 am
Been Liked: 1981 times
Has Liked: 3299 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:56 pm

Any sub we make (voluntarily) before the 88th minute is early for us!! :roll:

Safron
Posts: 1427
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:47 pm
Been Liked: 220 times
Has Liked: 172 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Safron » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:56 pm

Need a Leeds result today

Rileybobs
Posts: 16686
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:37 pm
Been Liked: 6899 times
Has Liked: 1471 times
Location: Leeds

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:57 pm

diamondpocket wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:52 pm
You don't get match fitness Premier League standard by only training. Dyche said it in his press conference. They may be fit but they aren't matchday fit. You only get that by playing.
Yes, but if the medical staff recommend that Rodriguez is given a maximum of say 30 minutes in his next appearance, then it would make total sense for that to be from off the bench rather than being substituted in the first half.

taio
Posts: 11520
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:17 am
Been Liked: 3220 times
Has Liked: 340 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by taio » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:58 pm

Come on Burnley! They've some very good players. Let's start bright early and get at least a point. Hope Wood and Barnes can bully their back four.

diamondpocket
Posts: 1367
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:18 pm
Been Liked: 254 times
Has Liked: 215 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by diamondpocket » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:58 pm

Tribesmen wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:53 pm
VOTE ...............
I VOTE for you Tribesman.

The thing that is worrying is because someone complained about MADGE so they took it down. Just because it insulted someone yet the majority don't really care, it's a bit of harmless fun.
It's like a few clowns fighting with Blackburn fans or wrecking their own town centre when 95% behave decently who then have to go on buses 3 hours before kick off to go to a game. Making decisions based on a few complaints and not listening to the majority.
This is the problem for me.
These 3 users liked this post: ksrclaret bfcmartin Tribesmen

Roosterbooster
Posts: 2583
Joined: Sun May 01, 2016 6:22 pm
Been Liked: 688 times
Has Liked: 361 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Roosterbooster » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:58 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:38 pm
Love the theory, but if I get a hammer and **** myself on the thumb with it, it’s going to hurt every single time.......
As a doctor I can yell you that that isn't necessarily true... It's just probably true

FactualFrank
Posts: 25445
Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:46 am
Been Liked: 6930 times
Has Liked: 11660 times
Location: Leeds

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:59 pm

You get match fit by playing matches. But that can often mean a few bench appearances first.

Guller Bull
Posts: 2526
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:01 pm
Been Liked: 763 times
Has Liked: 1001 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Guller Bull » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:59 pm


diamondpocket
Posts: 1367
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:18 pm
Been Liked: 254 times
Has Liked: 215 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by diamondpocket » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:59 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:57 pm
Yes, but if the medical staff recommend that Rodriguez is given a maximum of say 30 minutes in his next appearance, then it would make total sense for that to be from off the bench rather than being substituted in the first half.
Agreed

derryclaret
Posts: 766
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:30 am
Been Liked: 185 times
Has Liked: 258 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by derryclaret » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:01 pm

Afternoon all, chilly day up here, need to get some 3 pointers after West Brom winning, might as well start now.UTC

superdimitri
Posts: 4936
Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:04 pm
Been Liked: 1005 times
Has Liked: 725 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by superdimitri » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:05 pm

Barnes not doing too good so far, can't seem to hold up the ball.

box_of_frogs
Posts: 4955
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:47 am
Been Liked: 1087 times
Has Liked: 996 times

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by box_of_frogs » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:06 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:58 pm
As a doctor I can yell you that that isn't necessarily true... It's just probably true
Fair enough Doc. But I’m confident in my self diagnosis!

Myk
Posts: 267
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:35 am
Been Liked: 49 times
Has Liked: 69 times
Location: Burnley
Contact:

Re: West Ham v Burnley - Match Thread

Post by Myk » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:07 pm

Pressing well without the ball today, speeding up our own play too

Post Reply