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Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Mala591 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:07 am

He looked very comfortable with that pinpoint right footed cross for Rodriguez. Maybe we already have the solution to our right sided midfield problem (to the end of the season at least)?

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:21 am

We need pace out wide and for all Jack's undoubted qualities, that isnt one of them
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Wellsy1882 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:34 am

Definatley not

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by wilks_bfc » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:36 am

There’s a hell of a difference between happening to be be stood on the right side at that moment and getting a cross in and actually being a right winger
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Mala591 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:49 am

I must admit it was a bit of a ‘desperate’ suggestion but he is a quality player with a good football brain and teamed up with a pacey overlapping right back I think he could fill in at right midfield if injuries and poor form severely restrict our options.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Top Claret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:55 am

Jack Cork steps straight back into central midfield in place of Brownhill

Josh as done well but imo he is not yet quite ready for Premier league football, he needs to improve his offensive play

Can't believe anyone would suggest Jack for right side midfield when we have had problems with central midfield all seasons. Brownhill and Westwood have just not been createive enough and they don't work together
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Wellsy1882 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:07 am

Top Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:55 am
Jack Cork steps straight back into central midfield in place of Brownhill

Josh as done well but imo he is not yet quite ready for Premier league football, he needs to improve his offensive play

Can't believe anyone would suggest Jack for right side midfield when we have had problems with central midfield all seasons. Brownhill and Westwood have just not been createive enough and they don't work together
Not a chance

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Herts Clarets » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:52 am

Mala591 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:49 am
I must admit it was a bit of a ‘desperate’ suggestion but he is a quality player with a good football brain and teamed up with a pacey overlapping right back I think he could fill in at right midfield if injuries and poor form severely restrict our options.
Unfortunately we don't have a pacy overlapping right back. In fact we don't have a pacy anything.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:55 am

No

Great to have him back, but definitely no

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Conroy92 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:19 pm

No. We need to be signing round pegs for round holes. We will not improve the side if we attempt to accommodate and play people out of position. At this rate we'll have 11 Graham Branch's and people will say we are "flexible".

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by IanMcL » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:24 pm

Cork is the real deal, central midfield.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:27 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:55 am
Jack Cork steps straight back into central midfield in place of Brownhill

Josh as done well but imo he is not yet quite ready for Premier league football, he needs to improve his offensive play

Can't believe anyone would suggest Jack for right side midfield when we have had problems with central midfield all seasons. Brownhill and Westwood have just not been createive enough and they don't work together
Agree with everything you have said.

Fact of the matter is we score more goals with Cork in the team.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:26 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:07 am
He looked very comfortable with that pinpoint right footed cross for Rodriguez. Maybe we already have the solution to our right sided midfield problem (to the end of the season at least)?
you do have some weird ideas - all I can say is that I'm relieved you are not involved in team selection or tactical discussions
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by SGr » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:29 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:33 pm

I was wondering whether they may bring Cork back to central midfield with Brownhill on the right, as the back end of last season.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Top Claret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:08 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:33 pm
I was wondering whether they may bring Cork back to central midfield with Brownhill on the right, as the back end of last season.
Don't understand why anyone would want Brownhill on the right when we have Gudmundsson and Brady to chose from, who are natural to the wide position?
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:31 pm

Brownhill is better than cork. Offensively as well. One or two crosses from cork mean nothing. Brownhill is more athletic and his numbers show he is more effective.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:36 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:55 am
Jack Cork steps straight back into central midfield in place of Brownhill

Josh as done well but imo he is not yet quite ready for Premier league football, he needs to improve his offensive play

Can't believe anyone would suggest Jack for right side midfield when we have had problems with central midfield all seasons. Brownhill and Westwood have just not been createive enough and they don't work together
Brownhill is not ready for Premier League football.

Christ on a bike!

Westwood and Brownhill aren’t creative enough.

Please help this person.
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:40 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:27 pm
Agree with everything you have said.

Fact of the matter is we score more goals with Cork in the team.
What’s your sample size? Are the games comparative? Or is Mitrovic and better striker than say, Werner, he’s scored more goals in English football, so HE MUST BE.

Some serious head wobbling needs to happen ASAP on this board.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Chuckypad » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:42 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:26 pm
you do have some weird ideas - all I can say is that I'm relieved you are not involved in team selection or tactical discussions
Tony, you readily pull people that insult others and get involved in petty squabbles on this board, rightly or wrongly.

Do you not feel a hypocrite when you post things like this?
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:59 pm

Chuckypad wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:42 pm
Tony, you readily pull people that insult others and get involved in petty squabbles on this board, rightly or wrongly.

Do you not feel a hypocrite when you post things like this?
Hypocrite? Sorry, I always thought the board was to question ideas such as playing Cork on the right wing.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Wellsy1882 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:00 pm

Brownhill and cork should start every week
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by GavlarClaret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:01 pm

I'd chance him at right back for a game or two maximum..... not quite enough pace or trickery for the wing, every winger has one or the other and Jack has neither 🤔

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Wellsy1882 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:59 pm
Hypocrite? Sorry, I always thought the board was to question ideas such as playing Cork on the right wing.
I think he means snapping at somebody for having an idea or an opinion you dont agree with
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Down_Rover » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:08 pm

I think we should rotate Cork Brownhill and Westwood

Westwood looks like he needs a rest and Brownhill will need one sooner or later

Right now I would play Cork and Brownhill and bring Westwood back when one of the other two tire

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:12 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:08 pm
I think we should rotate Cork Brownhill and Westwood

Westwood looks like he needs a rest and Brownhill will need one sooner or later

Right now I would play Cork and Brownhill and bring Westwood back when one of the other two tire
Westwood would always be first choice in there for me - never look as good a side without him.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Burnley87 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:18 pm

Westwood is the best midfielder at the club

I honestly believe in a better team he would be even better than he is now. He is technically excellent and one of our best crossers of the ball at the club

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:20 pm

Burnley87 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:18 pm
Westwood is the best midfielder at the club

I honestly believe in a better team he would be even better than he is now. He is technically excellent and one of our best crossers of the ball at the club
Couldn't agree more, can't imagine anyone would want to leave him out.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Conroy92 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:22 pm

Chuckypad wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:42 pm
Tony, you readily pull people that insult others and get involved in petty squabbles on this board and rightly so.

Do you not feel a hypocrite when you post things like this?
I said something very similar a few weeks ago on a thread. As a Mod and also the main guy you would think it best to encourage peoples opinions so we can have an interesting forum with different perspectives and debates. It's fine for CT to disagree with the OP but why then belittle him.

I've been a long time poster on here and I was a long time poster on Clarets mad before that and one of the greatest things about our forums is that we have always had good contributions from different people and it has always felt inclusive! I signed up to Clarets mad when i was 13 (I'm 28 now) and honestly I probably posted some right rubbish (I still do :D ) But I always felt welcome. Clarets mad went down the tubes and this board was created and it's been fantastic. Recently though I feel its lost some of that inclusive feeling and feels a little "clicky" at times. If I joined this board at 13 now Im not sure after a few posts if I'd come back!

I go on football forums to read differing opinions to my own, so I can offer and listen to some debate as to why we think the way we do.I want that to continue for everyone's sake, otherwise it will get boring fast. I want this forum to carry on being a great place where people are not insulted for having a differing opinion but reasoned with and debated instead!
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:25 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:22 pm
I said something very similar a few weeks ago on a thread. As a Mod and also the main guy you would think it best to encourage peoples opinions so we can have an interesting forum with different perspectives and debates. It's fine for CT to disagree with the OP but why then belittle him.

I've been a long time poster on here and I was a long time poster on Clarets mad before that and one of the greatest things about our forums is that we have always had good contributions from different people and it has always felt inclusive! I signed up to Clarets mad when i was 13 (I'm 28 now) and honestly I probably posted some right rubbish (I still do :D ) But I always felt welcome. Clarets mad went down the tubes and this board was created and it's been fantastic. Recently though I feel its lost some of that inclusive feeling and feels a little "clicky" at times. If I joined this board at 13 now Im not sure after a few posts if I'd come back!

I go on football forums to read differing opinions to my own, so I can offer and listen to some debate as to why we think the way we do.I want that to continue for everyone's sake, otherwise it will get boring fast. I want this forum to carry on being a great place where people are not insulted for having a differing opinion but reasoned with and debated instead!
No one has been insulted. The OP starts numerous threads with strange ideas and I responded with this latest one. It's not a problem with me, not a problem with the OP but a problem with others. Shame really, but this is what ruins debates on here.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:25 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:40 pm
What’s your sample size? Are the games comparative? Or is Mitrovic and better striker than say, Werner, he’s scored more goals in English football, so HE MUST BE.

Some serious head wobbling needs to happen ASAP on this board.
Arnt you too busy making up rumours about this football club to be paying attention to this page?

I posted the stats on the Brownhill thread. Statistically Cork is better in nearly every single statistic. But that doesn’t suit your narrative so you just say people need to give there head a wobble.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:26 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:31 pm
Brownhill is better than cork. Offensively as well. One or two crosses from cork mean nothing. Brownhill is more athletic and his numbers show he is more effective.
Statistically not true at all.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:27 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:31 pm
Brownhill is better than cork. Offensively as well. One or two crosses from cork mean nothing. Brownhill is more athletic and his numbers show he is more effective.
I can't agree with that at all, I don't think Brownhill offers much at all offensively.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:27 pm
I can't agree with that at all, I don't think Brownhill offers much at all offensively.
It is quite simply because it is not true. It is an opinion with nothing to support to it.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by BenWickes » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:31 pm

It's a nice dilemma for SD to have choosing between Cork and Brownhill. Agree with above. Westwood is excellent in our midfield. Maybe would open opportunities for a three man midfield too.
I would be less keen on playing Cork, Brownhill, Benson, Pieters on the right unless we're in an injury crisis again. In fact. I hope we never have to again but when needs must and only when needs must.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Aclaret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:33 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:27 pm
I can't agree with that at all, I don't think Brownhill offers much at all offensively.
As the stats of 0 assists and 0 goals in 27 apps suggest......that's not a dig by the way, I enjoy watching him and SD must rate him.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:46 pm

You've all been so busy arguing about whether Cork should play right midfield or centre midfield you've missed the bleeding obvious. We should play Cork left midfield so he can cut in on his right and cause all sorts of problems for the opposition
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:47 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:25 pm
Arnt you too busy making up rumours about this football club to be paying attention to this page?

I posted the stats on the Brownhill thread. Statistically Cork is better in nearly every single statistic. But that doesn’t suit your narrative so you just say people need to give there head a wobble.
I’ll ignore your childish comments for the moment.

Firstly, you sample is over what period? Have you factored in the opposition quality in the stats? His midfield partner during the sample? It would take a very capable mathematician to draw up a model you could then present as fair and accurate.

I am guessing you’re not a capable mathematician and have acquired those stats from a third party. In which case you should really be more careful where you get your information from, I should know.

Secondly, on the thread you’re referring to, I mentioned that I feel Brownhill is a better player due to his interception stats, he is defensively, mentally and physically a step ahead of all our other midfielders.

Thirdly, my response, and not to you, was to someone saying Brownhill isn’t ready for the premier league. If that’s their honest thought, yes they need to give their head a wobble.

You’re not a very nice person, and seek to fall out with anyone and everyone. We’re all here for you, lockdown is tough on us all.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:55 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:47 pm
I’ll ignore your childish comments for the moment.

Firstly, you sample is over what period? Have you factored in the opposition quality in the stats? His midfield partner during the sample? It would take a very capable mathematician to draw up a model you could then present as fair and accurate.

I am guessing you’re not a capable mathematician and have acquired those stats from a third party. In which case you should really be more careful where you get your information from, I should know.

Secondly, on the thread you’re referring to, I mentioned that I feel Brownhill is a better player due to his interception stats, he is defensively, mentally and physically a step ahead of all our other midfielders.

Thirdly, my response, and not to you, was to someone saying Brownhill isn’t ready for the premier league. If that’s their honest thought, yes they need to give their head a wobble.

You’re not a very nice person, and seek to fall out with anyone and everyone. We’re all here for you, lockdown is tough on us all.
I haven’t made any nasty comments. You have a history of creating lies and spreading them on this messageboard.

I have compared the stats of Corks premier league career against Brownhills. The simplest form of comparison possible,

I am not trying to fall out with anyone. You asked what sample size I used and I replied.

The stats show that we score less goals with Brownhill in the team not sure how you can argue otherwise.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:58 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:55 pm
I haven’t made any nasty comments. You have a history of creating lies and spreading them on this messageboard.

I have compared the stats of Corks premier league career against Brownhills. The simplest form of comparison possible,

I am not trying to fall out with anyone. You asked what sample size I used and I replied.

The stats show that we score less goals with Brownhill in the team not sure how you can argue otherwise.
I can argue because you’ve got a pathetic sample size, you’ve not factored in any variables. You’ve no identified standard deviation.

Your not a mathematician, neither am I. Therefore your point is nul.

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Hibsclaret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:59 pm

No
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:01 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:59 pm
No
And so ends the thread. This should’ve been the second reply and the thread locked.
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:03 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:58 pm
I can argue because you’ve got a pathetic sample size, you’ve not factored in any variables. You’ve no identified standard deviation.

Your not a mathematician, neither am I. Therefore your point is nul.
Fair enough if that is your opinion.

I just don’t understand how you can tell fans to give there head a wobble if we have such a “pathetic sample size” to get an opinion on Brownhill.

Let’s just leave it as you think he is decent and I think he is average.
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Top Claret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:10 pm

When Westwood arrived from Villa he spent 18 months coming off the bench or not even in the squad, because Sean Dyche didn't think that he wasn't quite right for Premier league football. I am sure that this would have applied to Brownhill but for the injury to Jack Cork.

Brownhill was thrown in at the deep end due to our lack of CM players, he has done OK but is short of filling such an important role for a mid table Premier league side.

Josh needs naturing and now Cork is back Sean and the coaching staff can spend more quality time with him to make him into a better all round player, in doing this he will spend more time on the bench than off it

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:19 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:10 pm
When Westwood arrived from Villa he spent 18 months coming off the bench or not even in the squad, because Sean Dyche didn't think that he wasn't quite right for Premier league football. I am sure that this would have applied to Brownhill but for the injury to Jack Cork.

Brownhill was thrown in at the deep end due to our lack of CM players, he has done OK but is short of filling such an important role for a mid table Premier league side.

Josh needs naturing and now Cork is back Sean and the coaching staff can spend more quality time with him to make him into a better all round player, in doing this he will spend more time on the bench than off it
Put very well. Defensively he is great and with a bit of coaching could be a very good player
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:23 pm

On Saturday I posted about footballers spitting during a game and how does this fit into the safety requirements regarding COVID. I left the conversation as the thread went from ridiculous to bizarre.Checked later and the thread had been not surprisingly closed.

Looks like this going the same way.
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Top Claret » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:31 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:23 pm
On Saturday I posted about footballers spitting during a game and how does this fit into the safety requirements regarding COVID. I left the conversation as the thread went from ridiculous to bizarre.Checked later and the thread had been not surprisingly closed.

Looks like this going the same way.
Daniel Waterhouse is very much a hyprocirate putting a like on the above, when it's he who is going round throwing his toys out of the pram along with insults, just because some of us hold a different opinion than him
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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

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Re: Jack Cork for right midfield?

Post by Mala591 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:57 pm

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