Has the new owners kept the same recruitment personnel ?

[s6t9a2f3f]

Top priority reducing the age of the squad and that won't be easy guys. We could get 1-2 through the ranks which will be great maybe loan Benson to a club for experience. Otherwise getting players in their prime age/s for positions to ideally start games and create real competition is tough work.

[Devils_Advocate]

There are no new owners. Pace is just a paid actor to give Garlick some respite and trick the fans into thinking its exciting times at Burnley FC

[warksclaret]

Be interesting to see if after the window, we see a shake-up in the Recruitment team. Its over due

[DomBFC1882]

There are no new owners. Pace is just a paid actor to give Garlick some respite and trick the fans into thinking its exciting times at Burnley FC

[kentonclaret]

Having spent several transfer windows just kicking the can down the road eventually that will come back to bite you.

[Rileybobs]

Be interesting to see if after the window, we see a shake-up in the Recruitment team. Its over due

Who are we charging with the task of recruiting the recruiters?

[ClaretTony]

Be interesting to see if after the window, we see a shake-up in the Recruitment team. Its over due

Who would you like to shaken up?

From what I can see the recruitment team do their job, we establish who we would like but then don’t get the deals done. That’s been Garlick in previous windows but obviously not now. We know we’ve made offers for players, it’s just not looking as though it will happen. Not sure again it can be argued that it’s the recruitment team.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Clearly crap recruitment teams at the majority of clubs this window, sack them all!!!!

[warksclaret]

Clearly crap recruitment teams at the majority of clubs this window, sack them all!!!!

We are playing catch up. Most of all other PL teams did their business in Summer-we got Stephens over the line after 5 years of trying

[kentonclaret]

The recruitment teams at the other clubs did a far better job at beefing up their squads during the summer managing to bring in more than just a single player.

[BOYSIE31]

Who would you like to shaken up?

From what I can see the recruitment team do their job, we establish who we would like but then don’t get the deals done. That’s been Garlick in previous windows but obviously not now. We know we’ve made offers for players, it’s just not looking as though it will happen. Not sure again it can be argued that it’s the recruitment team.

Has to be the manager then

[ClaretTony]

Has to be the manager then

Manager will decide who he wants having liaised with the recruitment team. Then it’s over to the top men to try to negotiate the deals.

[ClaretTony]

The recruitment teams at the other clubs did a far better job at beefing up their squads during the summer managing to bring in more than just a single player.

Why? Do the recruitment teams do the negotiations at other clubs? I think you are way off track pointing at the recruitment people.

[tiger76]

Has to be the manager then

Yep! that'll be the manager that's kept us in the PL for 5 seasons straight, and who'll probably make it 6 very soon, he must be doing something right eh!.

[ClaretTony]

We are playing catch up. Most of all other PL teams did their business in Summer-we got Stephens over the line after 5 years of trying

I’d agree with that and we are playing catch up, or trying to, in the most difficult window. It’s the summer windows where you have to get things right and we didn’t.

But the manager has said so many times how important it is to get deals done for players already at the club. We failed with that, in his view, earlier this year so I suspect he’s happy at what we are doing right now.

[onewillieirvine]

How does is work with us then CT? I presume the recruitment team are given an indication of the amount of money available so they can explore that market. Otherwise it would appear to be a pointless exercise, as seems to be the case.

[ClaretTony]

How does is work with us then CT? I presume the recruitment team are given an indication of the amount of money available so they can explore that market. Otherwise it would appear to be a pointless exercise, as seems to be the case.

Don’t know how it is going to work now but the manager had spoken previously about having no budget so we’ve been recruiting blind almost because of having no idea on the money available.

[MACCA]

Just to answer the topic and subject question, if it's not broken, dont try and fix it

[kentonclaret]

The concept appears to be of looking for the "right player" at the "right price".

That failed miserably in the Summer window and seems to be failing again in this January window.

What guarantees it will work this Summer?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We are playing catch up. Most of all other PL teams did their business in Summer-we got Stephens over the line after 5 years of trying

That explains why we are bottom of the table...

[onewillieirvine]

As I thought CT, thanks. Crazy situation, no wonder we don't sign anybody if the recruitment team are wondering which market to shop in.

[ClaretTony]

The concept appears to be of looking for the "right player" at the "right price".

That failed miserably in the Summer window and seems to be failing again in this January window.

What guarantees it will work this Summer?

There are never guarantees. We’ve seen clubs have a bad summer transfer window which has led to them going down in the following season. Recent years have seen that happen dramatically at such as Huddersfield and Stoke.

Our new owners have been here for a month and will need time to organise the way we recruit. I said further up that Dyche’s priority was to get current players signed up which he’s now got. I suspect he’s happy to carry on with what we have now but one way or another we need to be better positioned and better organised for the next summer window.

[kentonclaret]

"Our new owners have been here for a month and will need time to organise the way we recruit"

I fully agree with that comment CT, which is why I could never understand the clamour by many on this message board for the ALK deal to be completed by 1st January in time for this window. The media were guilty of this also.

Perhaps that simply raised expectations and has led to the frustration of "same old, same old" when it comes to transfer windows.

[ClaretTony]

"Our new owners have been here for a month and will need time to organise the way we recruit"

I fully agree with that comment CT, which is why I could never understand the clamour by many on this message board for the ALK deal to be completed by 1st January in time for this window.

Perhaps that simply raised expectations and has led to the frustration of "same old, same old" when it comes to transfer windows.

They’ve said they would have liked to have got in sooner but I do think this window is more difficult than usual January windows. I don’t think it helps it coming sooner in the season in terms of games played either. I’m convinced Dyche has got most of what he wants with the new contracts though.

By the time the next window comes around I would like to think we are better placed.

[DCWat]

I wonder if there’s been a level of naivety on the part of Pace and his team. We’ve heard that it was important for the takeover to be completed ahead of the January window and we’ve since been told by Pace that his focus is on the January window.

We are now hearing of surprise at agents and how they operate and now, signings are improbable (contrary to Pace’s latest interview, to be fair).

This is a squad that needs reinforcements, they were needed in the summer. We’ve had a decent run after a terrible start but it would only take an injury to one of our key players and relegation could be a real possibility.

Hopefully Pace’s comments are more accurate than Dyche’s view and the next day or so will prove to be fruitful. I’m not holding my breath.

[BurnleyFC]

...we got Stephens over the line after 5 years of trying

#persistence

[cockneyclaret]

I wonder if there’s been a level of naivety on the part of Pace and his team.
This is a squad that needs reinforcements, they were needed in the summer. We’ve had a decent run after a terrible start but it would only take an injury to one of our key players and relegation could be a real possibility.

Sadly the risk of being relegated is being chanced for the sake of 2 incoming players.
Maybe the risk of 10-20mill is too much for the club and the highlighted players could be bought at half that price come summer.

[DomBFC1882]

#persistence

The fact we still wanted a player 5 years on and couldn't find a centre midfielder better speaks volumes.

Not to mention the guys 5 years older where we wanted him in his prime. Stephens doesn't even start yet we still chased him for that long.

[IWOODLOVETT]

Mr Pace and his team retained the services of two board members to oversee, provide guidance and to enable a smooth handover.
I would think it highly likely that Mr Garlick’s duties are to advise the new chairman with all transfer negotiations and new contracts.

[s6t9a2f3f]

They’ve said they would have liked to have got in sooner but I do think this window is more difficult than usual January windows. I don’t think it helps it coming sooner in the season in terms of games played either. I’m convinced Dyche has got most of what he wants with the new contracts though.

By the time the next window comes around I would like to think we are better placed.

You could also look at the other side of the coin there are many clubs struggling financially and Derby not the only one. What a better time to try and prise a asset away from say a championship club - which chairman can easily refuse a "biggish" offer currently.
Why wait until summer when maybe revenues streams (crowds) are back or on the horizon of coming back ?
Remember we are not looking at players at clubs doing well or in Europe we are bottom feeders and if you can't strike when clubs are financially wounded - good luck when we all get back to normal.

[Right_winger]

There’s not a chance that the recruitment team for so long have no idea how much they have to spend/which players to target.

Sean Dyche is deflecting blame off of himself. It’s clearly not all his fault but has got to take some ownership of incoming transfers

We’ve been absolutely dire recruiting for a few years now.

[ClaretTony]

You could also look at the other side of the coin there are many clubs struggling financially and Derby not the only one. What a better time to try and prise a asset away from say a championship club - which chairman can easily refuse a "biggish" offer currently.
Why wait until summer when maybe revenues streams (crowds) are back or on the horizon of coming back ?
Remember we are not looking at players at clubs doing well or in Europe we are bottom feeders and if you can't strike when clubs are financially wounded - good luck when we all get back to normal.

Well you quote Derby, and we did go in with a biggish offer and they turned it down. Clubs are incredibly reluctant to let players go right now because of the number of games to be played in a short period.

[ClaretTony]

There’s not a chance that the recruitment team for so long have no idea how much they have to spend/which players to target.

Sean Dyche is deflecting blame off of himself. It’s clearly not all his fault but has got to take some ownership of incoming transfers

We’ve been absolutely dire recruiting for a few years now.

So basically you are calling Sean Dyche a liar. Well done for that, your attacks on the club have now hit new depths.

[Right_winger]

So basically you are calling Sean Dyche a liar. Well done for that, your attacks on the club have now hit new depths.

Nah your not getting away with shutting the point down like that.

So you are saying that Sean Dyche always tells the absolute truth all the time really? Like the unpteen occasions when we have a turgid performance and Sean Dyche publicly comes out and says it was a good performance? Is he telling the truth? Or deflecting criticism by telling a wee porky pie? How about Touch and go regarding injuries when its plainly obvious the player is miles away from being fit? How many time has that happened? It’s all little fibs used to deflect and/or manage expectations.

There’s not a chance Sean Dyche just goes in with a list saying I want these players and knows nothing about the process or what happens afterwards. They will all sit down and have discussions, if he didn’t have a clue of budget he might aswell just hand in a wish list with Messi and Ronaldo on it.

Take your head out of Sean Dyches Arse for one minute Jesus man.

[fidelcastro]

Nah your not getting away with shutting the point down like that.

So you are saying that Sean Dyche always tells the absolute truth all the time really? Like the unpteen occasions when we have a turgid performance and Sean Dyche publicly comes out and says it was a good performance? Is he telling the truth? Or deflecting criticism by telling a wee porky pie? How about Touch and go regarding injuries when its plainly obvious the player is miles away from being fit? How many time has that happened? It’s all little fibs used to deflect and/or manage expectations.

There’s not a chance Sean Dyche just goes in with a list saying I want these players and knows nothing about the process or what happens afterwards. They will all sit down and have discussions, if he didn’t have a clue of budget he might aswell just hand in a wish list with Messi and Ronaldo on it.

Take your head out of Sean Dyches Arse for one minute Jesus man.

You are the strangest poster on here... and you have plenty of competition!

[ClaretTony]

Take your head out of Sean Dyches Arse for one minute Jesus man.

Do you really have to be so downright offensive just because someone picks you up on posting nonsense.

[JohnMac]

The recruitment teams at the other clubs did a far better job at beefing up their squads during the summer managing to bring in more than just a single player.

Is the problem spotting talent or spending money though?

[ksrclaret]

Just trying to sift through the bickering for a minute - did we ever get an answer to the OP's question?

[JohnMac]

You are the strangest poster on here... and you have plenty of competition!

I had to reply, a brilliant one liner!

[kentonclaret]

"Is the problem spotting talent or spending money though"

When replying to my original post CT seemed to suggest that the recruitment team at BFC were blameless, rather suggesting that the players HAD been identified but that the deals had fallen down at the negotiation stage.

[ClaretTony]

"Is the problem spotting talent or spending money though"

When replying to my original post CT seemed to suggest that the recruitment team at BFC were blameless, rather suggesting that the players HAD been identified but that the deals had fallen down at the negotiation stage.

I’ve never suggested anyone was blameless, and I’ve certainly seen enough criticism of Mike Rigg. What I’m saying is that they and the manager are working blindfolded if they have no budget.

[Right_winger]

MOD: Removed

[dsr]

The concept appears to be of looking for the "right player" at the "right price".

That failed miserably in the Summer window and seems to be failing again in this January window.

What guarantees it will work this Summer?

No guarantees at all. But changing to a policy of the wrong player at the wrong price might not help either!

[kentonclaret]

CT, you did comment that I was "way off track pointing at the recruitment people" so obviously assumed (wrongly) that you thought that they were not to blame.

I wonder, when you were planning to have your kitchen refitted if you asked people to go out and get all of the fittings and appliances without having any idea of what you had to spend or what was within your budget?

Of course you didn't since the whole idea would have sounded ridiculous.

[tiger76]

There are never guarantees. We’ve seen clubs have a bad summer transfer window which has led to them going down in the following season. Recent years have seen that happen dramatically at such as Huddersfield and Stoke.

Our new owners have been here for a month and will need time to organise the way we recruit. I said further up that Dyche’s priority was to get current players signed up which he’s now got. I suspect he’s happy to carry on with what we have now but one way or another we need to be better positioned and better organised for the next summer window.

Assuming there's no last minute incomings tomorrow, and of course nobody leaves the building (Elvis accepted) then we should just have enough to ensure survival for this season, given our buffer to the bottom 3, and the games starting to run down for then to catch us, but it's not an exaggeration to state that the summer window is our most important for a fair while, we need to clear out some of the deadwood, and try and bring in a couple of gems from somewhere.

I'm surmising Tarks will move on for decent money, even in the last year of his contract we should be able to garner £25-30m surely, and possibly Gibson will go to Norwich permanently for £8m or so, so we've got a pot of £30-40m to play with just by selling those two, and that simply has to be reinvested in the playing squad, if finances are as bad as reported in the Championship, then there should be some bargains to be had, and we shouldn't discount players in League 1 and 2 who we may be able to develop, we've got a solid spine to work with, and plenty of experienced pros at the club, what we're severely lacking is some creative spark, hence why our strikers are struggling to score many, and we've relied on the defence to gain some valuable points.

[ClaretTony]

CT, you did comment that I was "way off track pointing at the recruitment people" so obviously assumed (wrongly) that you thought that they were not to blame.

I wonder, when you were planning to have your kitchen refitted if you asked people to go out and get all of the fittings and appliances without having any idea of what you had to spend or what was within your budget?

Of course you didn't since the whole idea would have sounded ridiculous.

What I was trying to say is that they identify & scout players but are not involved in the negotiating.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Excrement times

[Right_winger]

MOD: Removed

Why?

It’s like the North Korea in here, follow orders and views or they get removed. Cannot question the leader.

[Rileybobs]

Was the comment about a budget not taken a little out of context? I took it to mean that Dyche didn't have a strict maximum figure that he had access to. I don't think this is strange, particularly as the amount we can spend on a player will be dependent on various things such as payment structure, potential offsetting through player sales etc.

My company doesn't have a strict IT budget for example. We know that we need to have funds available to pay for IT but we haven't got a strict £x per year that we will work within. If someone's computer needs replacing then we will replace it, regardless of how much we have spent on IT in that year.

I'm sure Dyche knew/knows broadly the parameters that he can work within.

[ClaretTony]

Why?

It’s like the North Korea in here, follow orders and views or they get removed. Cannot question the leader.

Not about that. It’s about showing people respect and you have not been. It is not like North Korea in here but the pleasure is being taken away by your posts. Show respect, post sensibly and you might find, like most posters do, that there is no problem.