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ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:47 pm

Early news on player availability for Saturday

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https://www.uptheclarets.com/the-ins-an ... r-saturday

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ElectroClaret » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:56 pm

As someone says on t'other thread, that still leaves us with a pretty strong squad.

My main concern is tiredness, we looked knackered late second half last night.
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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ecc » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:05 pm

My God it's been a tough last 12 months injury wise. How many games have we completed without an injury (or several) during or subsequently?

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by Spijed » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:10 pm

Good to know that we are almost at full strength with regards to the strikers.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:30 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:56 pm
As someone says on t'other thread, that still leaves us with a pretty strong squad.

My main concern is tiredness, we looked knackered late second half last night.
Absolutely knackered last night, there was nothing in the tank.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:31 pm

ecc wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:05 pm
My God it's been a tough last 12 months injury wise. How many games have we completed without an injury (or several) during or subsequently?
It's incredible but we are not the only club suffering with injuries, we just happen to have a smaller squad than some of the others. There were warnings that this would happen without a full pre-season and it's proving to be the case.
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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:31 pm
It's incredible but we are not the only club suffering with injuries, we just happen to have a smaller squad than some of the others. There were warnings that this would happen without a full pre-season and it's proving to be the case.

Think it is just a case of getting on with it and getting this season done as best as we can. If they do go ahead glad most of our players won't be involved in the Euros and can have a proper break this summer then start next season fully rested.

With each game passing the clamour to go full strength in the cup considering we are picking up a fresh injury a game looks more bizarre but thankfully now we can go to 1 game a week and give some of them some much needed rest.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by KateR » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:38 pm

is Brady injured or was he taken off yesterday due to the chance of a second yellow, I didn't hear or see anything regarding injury when he left the field?

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:39 pm

So we could line up
Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Taylor
Brownhill Westy Cork McNeil
2 from 3 or 4 strikers

Bench to include Long Bardsley 1 or 2 strikers GK Benson Dunne

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by claretandy » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:44 pm

KateR wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:38 pm
is Brady injured or was he taken off yesterday due to the chance of a second yellow, I didn't hear or see anything regarding injury when he left the field?
Ankle again.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:45 pm

KateR wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:38 pm
is Brady injured or was he taken off yesterday due to the chance of a second yellow, I didn't hear or see anything regarding injury when he left the field?
Recurrence of achilles injury - going for a scan - I don't think Dyche has ever taken off a player who he thought might get a second yellow.
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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by KateR » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:57 pm

thanks guys, much appreciated, was a lot of chatter when watching plus follow a group and the commentators were saying they believed it was tactical to prevent what they saw as a red card in the waiting.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:49 pm

KateR wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:57 pm
thanks guys, much appreciated, was a lot of chatter when watching plus follow a group and the commentators were saying they believed it was tactical to prevent what they saw as a red card in the waiting.
Shows how commentators just make things up - clearly not a tactical move at all.
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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by agreenwood » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:31 pm
It's incredible but we are not the only club suffering with injuries, we just happen to have a smaller squad than some of the others. There were warnings that this would happen without a full pre-season and it's proving to be the case.
This is true.

We do shoulder some of the blame ourselves too. We’ve gone into the season with 3 recognised wide players and two of those are notoriously injury prone.

We’ve also got an ageing squad and it’s not unusual to see players get more injuries as they reach their late 20s/early 30s.

Our various injury crises this season are a combination of bad luck and poor planning/execution.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by summitclaret » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:01 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:30 pm
This is true.

We do shoulder some of the blame ourselves too. We’ve gone into the season with 3 recognised wide players and two of those are notoriously injury prone.

We’ve also got an ageing squad and it’s not unusual to see players get more injuries as they reach their late 20s/early 30s.

Our various injury crises this season are a combination of bad luck and poor planning/execution.
Absolutely. If we go down it will because we did not bring in a starter for rsm or because of the points lost (especially to Newcastle and Saints) early season. The latter because we did not sign a cb despite knowing Mee would be out and Tarks maybe going/having a convenient injury until the window closed.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by Erasmus » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:04 pm

I got the impression that one of the things Sean Dyche was most upset about over the summer was letting Aaron Lennon go. He may not always have been a tremendous asset, but it would certainly be useful to have him available now and in previous weeks.
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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by fidelcastro » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:05 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:01 pm
Absolutely. If we go down it will because we did not bring in a starter for rsm or because of the points lost (especially to Newcastle and Saints) early season. The latter because we did not sign a cb despite knowing Mee would be out and Tarks maybe going/having a convenient injury until the window closed.
Convenient injury!

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:11 pm

Erasmus wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:04 pm
I got the impression that one of the things Sean Dyche was most upset about over the summer was letting Aaron Lennon go. He may not always have been a tremendous asset, but it would certainly be useful to have him available now and in previous weeks.
Hendrick was the one he really wanted to keep

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:11 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:01 pm
Absolutely. If we go down it will because we did not bring in a starter for rsm or because of the points lost (especially to Newcastle and Saints) early season. The latter because we did not sign a cb despite knowing Mee would be out and Tarks maybe going/having a convenient injury until the window closed.
There was no convenient injury

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:12 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:30 pm
This is true.

We do shoulder some of the blame ourselves too. We’ve gone into the season with 3 recognised wide players and two of those are notoriously injury prone.

We’ve also got an ageing squad and it’s not unusual to see players get more injuries as they reach their late 20s/early 30s.

Our various injury crises this season are a combination of bad luck and poor planning/execution.
Manager being stubborn the main problem too

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by warksclaret » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:13 pm

We may be physically tired after the run of games. WBA will be mentally fatigued with having such a gap in points to try and make up. The two should balance out.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by bf2k » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:45 pm
Recurrence of achilles injury - going for a scan - I don't think Dyche has ever taken off a player who he thought might get a second yellow.
You could see Brady limping when he passed the ball to Lowton just before our goal. Of course many won't look at the finer details just to have a pop at a player :roll:
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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:43 pm

bf2k wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:41 pm
You could see Brady limping when he passed the ball to Lowton just before our goal. Of course many won't look at the finer details just to have a pop at a player :roll:
I've seen that back and he is clearly struggling

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by bf2k » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:43 pm
I've seen that back and he is clearly struggling
Don't tell the lynch mob on the Brady thread. They're not interested ;)
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Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:54 pm

My only criticism of SD, has been how every minor knock seems to lead to a player missing 6 games, but I really feel for him at the moment.
Not just the injuries, but it seems clear that more than one player is on the pitch, not fully fit. Jay Rod and Brady, both look to be carrying something. The team seemed to tire those last 10 mins as well.
I think we are OK, just, this Saturday, the sooner we get back to one game a week the better.
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Post by Rowls » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:55 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:12 pm
Manager being stubborn the main problem too
Stubbornness is as stubbornness does, to mangle a Forrest Gump quote.

Dyche’s stubbornness is the portcullis of our quality, the guardian of our strength.
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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by summitclaret » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:11 pm
There was no convenient injury
No supporter knows for sure and I would not necessarily believe what the Club said, as there was too much money at stake with a possible transfer.

My opinion is that Tarks was going until Sean put his foot down and that Tarks was being kept from playing, whilst we were desperate for a cb. Others have a different view.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by fidelcastro » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:09 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:05 pm
No supporter knows for sure and I would not necessarily believe what the Club said, as there was too much money at stake with a possible transfer.

My opinion is that Tarks was going until Sean put his foot down and that Tarks was being kept from playing, whilst we were desperate for a cb. Others have a different view.
Yup, and the vaccine contains a microchip that monitors your movements.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by summitclaret » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:15 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:09 pm
Yup, and the vaccine contains a microchip that monitors your movements.
One total rubbish, the other a possibility, as something has to explain the hopeless start to a campaign. I'll let you work out which is which.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:21 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:05 pm
No supporter knows for sure and I would not necessarily believe what the Club said, as there was too much money at stake with a possible transfer.

My opinion is that Tarks was going until Sean put his foot down and that Tarks was being kept from playing, whilst we were desperate for a cb. Others have a different view.
I’ve said there was no convenient injury and that is fact and not based on anything the club has said.

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Post by fidelcastro » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:22 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:15 pm
One total rubbish, the other a possibility, as something has to explain the hopeless start to a campaign. I'll let you work out which is which.
Our "mixed" results this season have largely been due to hardly ever having a settled team. That is due to injuries and not to wild conspiracy theories about purposely keeping one of our best players out of the side.

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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by summitclaret » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:30 pm

Yep our results up to game 8 were brilliant. Our results with Tarks and Mee playing are as good as any time in the PL. Do you think KL as 1st reserve cb and JD as 2nd is adequate for the PL.?

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Post by fidelcastro » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:33 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:30 pm
Yep our results up to game 8 were brilliant. Our results with Tarks and Mee playing are as good as any time in the PL. Do you think KL as 1st reserve cb and JD as 2nd is adequate for the PL.?
If that's a question for me, then the answer is no, but I fail to see what that has to do with your warped opinion that Tarkowski was purposely being left out of the side in case we might sell him.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:55 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:49 pm
Shows how commentators just make things up - clearly not a tactical move at all.
It makes a better talking point for phone-ins ;)

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Post by Hipper » Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:14 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:30 pm
Yep our results up to game 8 were brilliant. Our results with Tarks and Mee playing are as good as any time in the PL. Do you think KL as 1st reserve cb and JD as 2nd is adequate for the PL.?
Of course there was the expensive problem boy BG. We've spent a big chunk of money (and perhaps still are spending money) on a defender that isn't available. It shows there is an issue with bringing in a quality CB to be the number three. KL has generally done OK when called upon within his limitations and we are lucky to have someone with his attitude.
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Re: ARTICLE: The ins and outs for Saturday

Post by tiger76 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:52 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:35 pm
Think it is just a case of getting on with it and getting this season done as best as we can. If they do go ahead glad most of our players won't be involved in the Euros and can have a proper break this summer then start next season fully rested.

With each game passing the clamour to go full strength in the cup considering we are picking up a fresh injury a game looks more bizarre but thankfully now we can go to 1 game a week and give some of them some much needed rest.
Yes if we can get the 3 points tomorrow we'll then have 8 days to recover before the Tottenham game, and boy do we need some down time right now, we were running on empty on Wednesday, and although I'd have dearly loved an extended cup run, you do wonder how we'd have coped with the extra fixtures, as our squad is already being stretched to breaking point.

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