Dyche!

[Belgianclaret]

As i said, only saw the first half which was not so bad.

Apparently second half was rubbish, but to question SD for this is over the top. No other manager would ever get on with it as he does: down to the bare bones, no incomings and no whinging. I can think of no-one who would have kept us op so long (and will do so again this season) with the cards he's dealt with.

We sometimes serve up some bad stuff, which is not pleasing to the eye (to say the least).

Most of the time however, we are outperforming at this level with a championship squad

[bf2k]

Dyche can be questioned.

I think the issue is when the questioning is downright stupid.

I don’t think questioning him and his tab today is stupid

[box_of_frogs]

So you'll be happy when we drop down the leagues?

Why? Do the 2 go hand in hand? Show me the evidence and I’ll consider it.

[Walkerpool]

So you'll be happy when we drop down the leagues?

I'd be happy to drop from the Premier league it isn't everything to a proper football fan.

[box_of_frogs]

You should be. Without him this lot would be in the same position but in a division below where we are now.

Evidence to back it up?

[gandhisflipflop]

As i said, only saw the first half which was not so bad.

Apparently second half was rubbish, but to question SD for this is over the top. No other manager would ever get on with it as he does: down to the bare bones, no incomings and no whinging. I can think of no-one who would have kept us op so long (and will do so again this season) with the cards he's dealt with.

We sometimes serve up some bad stuff, which is not pleasing to the eye (to say the least).

Most of the time however, we are outperforming at this level with a championship squad

We often serve up bad stuff and after 6 years now in the Prem if that squad is a championship squad then they all want canning

[lrac]

So is that the excuse for kill football today .11 v 10 .

[Hedontplayforyou]

3 games in quick succession with numerous injuries and players coming back from injury , the rest of the team more than likely playing under a bit of fatigue - with only one winger again today.

An abject performance where our players all looked off the pace really. All of the above contributing towards this. Nothing in the bench to change it makes it almost impossible to change it.

We didn’t lose or pick up any injuries which is the only plus from that game, however people need to calm down and take perspective.

We hammered Palace playing some nice stuff just 7 days ago.

Dyche will continue to work wonders at Burnley and under the Alan Pace mantra of “Evolution over Revolution” I think Dyche will also evolve, as he has done since he joined us!

We looked dead and buried earlier in the season, look where we are now

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I don’t think questioning him and his tab today is stupid

Some of the stuff is downright moronic today

[Billy Balfour]

Dyche has been preforming minor miracles keeping us in the EPL. Every season he has to conjure up more with a near none existent transfer kitty. My main worry; he isn't backed in the summer and decides he's had enough.

[lrac]

What like 11 v 10 and still be negative. Get real

[lrac]

What like 11 v 10 and still be negative. Get real

[Hedontplayforyou]

Dyche has been preforming minor miracles keeping us in the EPL. Every season he has to conjure up more with a near none existent transfer kitty. My main worry; he isn't backed in the summer and decides he's had enough.

Agreed, but there’s no way we don’t strengthen this summer, it would look terrible from the new owners, and also it doesn’t take a genius to see that we are now ml stretched than ever.

[bf2k]

Some of the stuff is downright moronic today

Apart from 1 or 2 I’ve not seen many calling for his head just holding him accountable for the poor performances of late (similar to congratulating him on good performances).

1 good performance in the last 7 is pretty poor

[djemba-djemba]

But strong that pal. Some people do go overboard with wins and losses. It’s called a difference in opinion but Dyche can’t be questioned in some peoples eyes.

It was a horrendous display, and for what it’s worth I don’t think it’s entirely down to Dyche. The players also have to take responsibility for that trash served up.

What I find bizarre is ClaretTony agreeing with the poster who says people should avoid using message boards for a few hours after a game. He’s the one throwing words around like ‘nonsense’ in relation to another person’s opinion. Maybe he’s the one who should take a couple of hours off after a game to calm down before he starts insulting other people for not sharing his opinion.

[Erasmus]

Sometimes you just need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Which is that no team of equivalent financial status has ever achieved what Burnley have achieved in the Premier League. We are unique and we are marvellous. Our success has been unbelievable, quite literally, because if you'd told me fifteen years ago what we were going to achieve, I would never ever have believed it. It just never happens to clubs like Burnley, except that it has happened. And right at the heart of all of that has been Sean Dyche.

This season has been an absolute oddity, and given our small squad, small budget, the number of injuries, and the frequency of matches, there will inevitably be some dire performances. I can't see how anyone can expect anything else. So we had one today, and still didn't lose.

[kentonclaret]

On the various prediction threads on this forum I am pretty confident that there are not too many posters (if any) forecasting that we would fail to win any of our "crucial" home fixtures against Brighton, Fulham and West Brom.

If Fulham win tonight and then at Palace, the table is going to look quite a lot different at the end of next weekend.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Apart from 1 or 2 I’ve not seen many calling for his head just holding him accountable for the poor performances of late (similar to congratulating him on good performances).

1 good performance in the last 7 is pretty poor

You see what you want to see then, that's fine.

[Goodclaret]

1 good performance in the last 7 is pretty poor

And, of course, pretty untrue

[beddie]

It's how you define "backed" We'll never be in a position where there's big money for transfers, we're not that sort of club. I just hope they can find enough (for transfers) to keep Dyche interested in staying.

[bobinho]

Evidence to back it up?

Well, I don’t have any, because we don’t have another manager in place to prove it.

Name me a manager other than dyche who could maintain PL football with these players?

[KRBFC]

Let’s face it, we’re a horrible excuse for a football team under his leadership. We’ve got qualities in other areas, but games like today highlight just how poor our standards are when in possession of the football.

I hate watching the shite he serves up on occasions like today, and there are not exactly in the minority. What are we doing to do about it? Not a clue anymore. Recruitment doesn’t bring us much joy these days.

The whole thing is just completely dull and stale, no youngster to get excited about, boring football, same 11 every game for what feels like years, exchanged one skint owner for another, worst style of football I think I have ever seen, not even a hint of a cup run to get partially excited for. This season I've chose to not watch more games than ever before, most of the squad have done great things for us, I'm just bored of watching the majority of them, there's only so many backwards passes from Westwood/Cork/Brownhill then lumps forward I can bare to watch.

The same rubbish over and over again, scraping to 40 points every year with sh!te signings like Dale Stephens, nothing exciting about any of it.

[maidenover]

So the answer is to bring on a left back who got slated on here recently when he played against Bournemouth. With so many players out injured we simply had no options - Benson & Mumbongo were the only two subs who weren't goalkeepers or defenders.

And I’ve seen nothing whatsoever from either Benson or Mumbongo to bring them on even during today’s performance

[Jakubclaret]

I'd be happy to drop from the Premier league it isn't everything to a proper football fan.

Football was about long before the inception of the PL the older posters will probably realise that more, the falsified grandeur of the PL & all the jazz that comes with it as consumed some people & taken away all humbleness.

[what_no_pies]

It was very important that we didn't lose. We didn't lose. Another point towards our target and another couple we denied our opponent of is the way I see it.

[bf2k]

You see what you want to see then, that's fine.

I tell you what this board isn’t half touchy. You disagree with the status quo and the bottom lips are out.

[boatshed bill]

Well, I don’t have any, because we don’t have another manager in place to prove it.

Name me a manager other than dyche who could maintain PL football with these players?

Potter?

[DomBFC1882]

And, of course, pretty untrue

Name one then other than Palace? Playing well for only 45 minutes like against Brighton does not class as a good performance

[bobinho]

Brian potter?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Potter?

Brighton spend money, more than us.

[Hedontplayforyou]

The whole thing is just completely dull and stale, no youngster to get excited about, boring football, same 11 every game for what feels like years, exchanged one skint owner for another, worst style of football I think I have ever seen, not even a hint of a cup run to get partially excited for. This season I've chose to not watch more games than ever before, most of the squad have done great things for us, I'm just bored of watching the majority of them, there's only so many backwards passes from Westwood/Cork/Brownhill then lumps forward I can bare to watch.

The same rubbish over and over again, scraping to 40 points every year with sh!te signings like Dale Stephens, nothing exciting about any of it.

Wouldn’t it be great to get someone like Howe in to play fancy football but get hammered nearly every week, relegated and then boast about how we beat Rotherham 5-0 a week after losing 4-2 to Derby whilst being mid table in the cChampionship - NO no it wouldn’t

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I tell you what this board isn’t half touchy. You disagree with the status quo and the bottom lips are out.

My bottom lip isn't out over anything.

Just pointing out some of you are really stupid at times.

[bf2k]

And, of course, pretty untrue

Chelsea- poor
Man City - poor
Brighton - poor until they scored but we don’t finish them off
Bournemouth- poor
Palace - superb
Fulham - poor
West Brom - woeful

So not so untrue really

[bobinho]

Potter?

Not having a pop here Bill, but in the spirit of the way the discussion has been going... prove it.

I suppose my point is we’ve got what we’ve got, and I’m happy to go with SD, he’s more than earned the slack he gets cut, as opposed to an unknown quantity.

[kentonclaret]

"With so many players out injured we simply had no options"

Exactly!

In the same position as we were towards the end of last season when the bench was being filled with a selection of goalkeepers and youngsters. A position that Ben Mee (in an article published in The Guardian) described as "far from ideal" but he was confident that the club was looking to bring in 2 or 3 players to redress the situation.

Ben Mee, just like the fans, was wide of the mark re any squad strengthening.

[DomBFC1882]

Chelsea- poor
Man City - poor
Brighton - poor until they scored but we don’t finish them off
Bournemouth- poor
Palace - superb
Fulham - poor
West Brom - woeful

So not so untrue really

Exactly. One good performance which was Palace.

Not sure which other was a good performance. A good performance is over 90 minutes

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Wouldn’t it be great to get someone like Howe in to play fancy football but get hammered nearly every week, relegated and then boast about how we beat Rotherham 5-0 a week after losing 4-2 to Derby whilst being mid table in the cChampionship - NO no it wouldn’t

They want Howe or Coyle style football, KRBFC has always been very clear about that for years now.

Some of them on here would happily accept relegation if we are playing attacking football with lots of goals at both ends.

[claretgimmer]

I bet if we had performance related pay their legs wouldn`t feel half as fatigued, maybe. lol

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I bet if we had performance related pay their legs wouldn`t feel half as fatigued, maybe. lol

They get a bonus based on staying up and league finish.

I'm guessing you missed that despite it being common knowledge.

[ksrclaret]

My bottom lip isn't out over anything.

Just pointing out some of you are really stupid at times.

We can all be really stupid at times though, can't we Sid?

For example, there was a poster not so long ago that didn't realise posting subscription-based articles on here could be problematic.

[bf2k]

My bottom lip isn't out over anything.

Just pointing out some of you are really stupid at times.

Stupid for having a difference in opinion? That’s really bright that. Wonder who’s the stupid one in this conversation. Going back to the ClaretsMad days this forum for abuse fir differing opinions.

And I’m not asking for Howe style football. What we played against Brighton second half and Palace was good but very seldom seen.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We can all be really stupid at times though, can't we Sid?

For example, there was a poster not so long ago that didn't realise posting subscription-based articles on here could be problematic.

A legal issue is entirely different to that garbage being spouted on here

[Stayingup]

As i said, only saw the first half which was not so bad.

Apparently second half was rubbish, but to question SD for this is over the top. No other manager would ever get on with it as he does: down to the bare bones, no incomings and no whinging. I can think of no-one who would have kept us op so long (and will do so again this season) with the cards he's dealt with.

We sometimes serve up some bad stuff, which is not pleasing to the eye (to say the least).

Most of the time however, we are outperforming at this level with a championship squad

Absolutely bang on there.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Stupid for having a difference in opinion? That’s really bright that. Wonder who’s the stupid one in this conversation. Going back to the ClaretsMad days this forum for abuse fir differing opinions.

We've got people dismissing our injury list, Dismissing the number of games, the fatigue in the players etc.

People are intentionally ignoring things that can affect how our players perform so they can then whinge about the game and yes that's actually really stupid.

[ksrclaret]

A legal issue is entirely different to that garbage being spouted on here

Aye, far better to open yourself up to legal issues with your variation of stupidity rather than using it to post opinions that may or may not be garbage.

[DomBFC1882]

They want Howe or Coyle style football, KRBFC has always been very clear about that for years now.

Some of them on here would happily accept relegation if we are playing attacking football with lots of goals at both ends.

It doesn't make them wrong though if that's their idea of entertainment though does it? It's their opinion.

If people find performances against Fulham, Chelsea, man city, West brom and Bournemouth interesting then that's their perogative too

[bfcmik]

Let's apportion blame, it's been so bad for the last few windows it's no surprise we are now playing League One football. Oh, hang on, we're not.

Any reason why you didn't post this last Saturday after the win at Crystal Palace? It's the same manager, it's the same previous board and it's the same recruitment team. No, we've played badly so let's have a go and see who we can blame this week.

The post was my response to the idea that SD is in no way responsible for our transfer dealings - or lack of them. I fully recognise that the squad is stretched and players are being put out there when not 100%, but the lack of tactical change during the game was something that points directly at SD. West Brom were always going to be playing counter attack football, it is what we, and they, normally do. Our tactics of keeping the game narrow when attacking clearly wasn't working with McNiel rarely out wide but there was absolutely no effort to change our system.

As for not posting it last week, of course not we played well and were rightly praised for it, by me too. However, poor performances need referring to as poor performances. Last week's praise doesn't mean I can't criticise when we don't play like that. 60+ years of supporting Burnley have given me lots of opportunity to see us play both well and dreadfully. This was Premier League dreadful which is a million miles from some of the dreadful I have endured in the past. Hopefully next week will see a better display, though those 60+ years have taught me not to hold my breath for us doing that!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It doesn't make them wrong though if that's their idea of entertainment though does it? It's their opinion.

If people find performances against Fulham, Chelsea, man city, West brom and Bournemouth interesting then that's their perogative

They'd be the first to complain though if we become a mid table championship club or worse though.

The performances haven't been great, but there have been factors contributing to that.

[jrgbfc]

It doesn't make them wrong though if that's their idea of entertainment though does it? It's their opinion.

If people find performances against Fulham, Chelsea, man city, West brom and Bournemouth interesting then that's their perogative

Its a good point. At the end of the day watching football is supposed to be enjoyable, some of our fans seem to forget that...

[ClaretTony]

The post was my response to the idea that SD is in no way responsible for our transfer dealings - or lack of them. I fully recognise that the squad is stretched and players are being put out there when not 100%, but the lack of tactical change during the game was something that points directly at SD. West Brom were always going to be playing counter attack football, it is what we, and they, normally do. Our tactics of keeping the game narrow when attacking clearly wasn't working with McNiel rarely out wide but there was absolutely no effort to change our system.

As for not posting it last week, of course not we played well and were rightly praised for it, by me too. However, poor performances need referring to as poor performances. Last week's praise doesn't mean I can't criticise when we don't play like that. 60+ years of supporting Burnley have given me lots of opportunity to see us play both well and dreadfully. This was Premier League dreadful which is a million miles from some of the dreadful I have endured in the past. Hopefully next week will see a better display, though those 60+ years have taught me not to hold my breath for us doing that!

It's just that people highlight all these problems that only ever seem to appear after a bad result and/or a bad performance. Those problems are there all the time if indeed they are problems.