Dyche!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Ha ha, that's brilliant. As if you need any more evidence of how you wish to stick to your preconceived views. Wins are "flukes" but draws and losses are due to bad management. No arguing with that really.

I am talking specifically about them two results. Not sure how you can say other wise. Villa destroyed us all game and at Liverpool we got a penalty after not having a shot on target all game. I would class that as two flukes results.

I don’t think the losses are due to bad management, mainly due to poor recruitment. We haven’t improved our starting eleven in 3 seasons

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I’m sorry but if Brownhill is starting CM in the prem over either of them than something is wrong.

Dyche won't start a loanee over someone he's paid for if they're fit.

[DomBFC1882]

Well, Chelsea and Man City with their Billion pound squads ply very good football, as you’d expect. Fulham???? Really??? Bizarre. Your mate Vydra has been more effective in the prem than Fulham.

Okay then how about I give you other examples. Brentford, reading, Norwich? They've got billion pound squads too have they? Surprised they play it on the floor considering they don't.

Your logic is bizarre. So you need an expensive squad to play it on the floor?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

And none of that is down to the way Sean Dyche runs the squad?
Gallagher should have had little trouble getting into our side,
Maitland-Niles perhaps not so much.
But if our players are so tired then players capable of rotation would have had plenty of opportunity.

Failed to see the part where I made particular mention of our failure to give game time to loanees I see...

[Newcastleclaret93]

Dyche won't start a loanee over someone he's paid for if they're fit.

They are both miles better than brownhill. If Dyche selects players based on whether he paid for them or not then he is not a very good manager.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Okay then how about I give you other examples. Brentford, reading, Norwich? They've got billion pound squads too have they? Surprised they play it on the floor considering they don't.

Your logic is bizarre. So you need an expensive squad to play it on the floor?

3 championship squads aren't really a worthy comparison, even we've shown we can play it on the deck in the championship.

[DomBFC1882]

Dyche won't start a loanee over someone he's paid for if they're fit.

And that's a problem in itself and its Dyche to blame for that.

Look at how effective Lingard is at West ham now thanks to David Moyes's great management

[Newcastleclaret93]

Okay then how about I give you other examples. Brentford, reading, Norwich? They've got billion pound squads too have they? Surprised they play it on the floor considering they don't.

Your logic is bizarre. So you need an expensive squad to play it on the floor?

Or to put it in perspective I’m sure I read that Leeds starting eleven for most of there games this season cost less than Chris Wood

[GodIsADeeJay81]

They are both miles better than brownhill. If Dyche selects players based on whether he paid for them or not then he is not a very good manager.

How low you rate Brownhill will be vastly different to how Dyche rates him though and thats the key difference.

Also, those 2 lads are at WBA and are going to get relegated with them and haven't really inspired their teammates to greater heights if we look at their results since January.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

And that's a problem in itself and its Dyche to blame for that.

Look at how effective Lingard is at West ham now thanks to David Moyes's great management

Cool so we get rid of Dyche then.

[DomBFC1882]

3 championship squads aren't really a worthy comparison, even we've shown we can play it on the deck in the championship.

Okay then let's say Leeds. They play it on the floor and don't have the money of City and Chelsea and they play the same teams as us. They're above us also.

[boatshed bill]

Failed to see the part where I made particular mention of our failure to give game time to loanees I see...

Not at all. And you actually endorse my criticism of SD's use of his squad with that assertion.
But in these difficult circumstances (and I mean from the start of the season) when we've known we are a bit short surely a change of policy regarding loanees would have been the best approach?

[DomBFC1882]

Cool so we get rid of Dyche then.

Don't throw your toys out of your pram. As mentioned earlier look how defensive and touchy you are when you cant admit Dyche has faults

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Or to put it in perspective I’m sure I read that Leeds starting eleven for most of there games this season cost less than Chris Wood

Rodrigo and Raphinha
Both cost more than Wood.

[dandeclaret]

Okay then how about I give you other examples. Brentford, reading, Norwich? They've got billion pound squads too have they? Surprised they play it on the floor considering they don't.

Your logic is bizarre. So you need an expensive squad to play it on the floor?

Brentford have t achieved what Burnley did, Norwich got relegated, reading have t been in the prem for 12 years. I’ll take your bizarre suggestions all the time. Burnley went 23 unbeaten in the championship and were leading scorers last time they were there, which thankfully is a long while ago now. It’s a long time since Norwich finished 7th or 10th, Brentford never have, reading haven’t for a long long time, if ever.

Are you advocating reducing chances of staying up by playing expansive open football Dom? Is that your suggestion, increasing risk, for no real return. Is that your logic here, just to be prettier? It makes sense why you want Vydra in the side now. End product a d results don’t matter, it’s style over substance. Is that it?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Okay then let's say Leeds. They play it on the floor and don't have the money of City and Chelsea and they play the same teams as us. They're above us also.

They spent £55 million last summer.

[Newcastleclaret93]

How low you rate Brownhill will be vastly different to how Dyche rates him though and thats the key difference.

Also, those 2 lads are at WBA and are going to get relegated with them and haven't really inspired their teammates to greater heights if we look at their results since January.

He literally only starts when one of the CMs or RMs is injured.

[DomBFC1882]

They spent £55 million last summer.

And we've spent more than that in the last 5 years in the Premier league so what does that say?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Don't throw your toys out of your pram. As mentioned earlier look how defensive and touchy you are when you cant admit Dyche has faults

No toys outside my pram, it's you lot having the collective strop, I was just using the same logic you lot use.

I can admit he has faults, I can also look at the bigger picture which you're usually incapable of doing.

Anything else?

[DomBFC1882]

Brentford have t achieved what Burnley did, Norwich got relegated, reading have t been in the prem for 12 years. I’ll take your bizarre suggestions all the time. Burnley went 23 unbeaten in the championship and were leading scorers last time they were there, which thankfully is a long while ago now. It’s a long time since Norwich finished 7th or 10th, Brentford never have, reading haven’t for a long long time, if ever.

Are you advocating reducing chances of staying up by playing expansive open football Dom? Is that your suggestion, increasing risk, for no real return. Is that your logic here, just to be prettier? It makes sense why you want Vydra in the side now. End product a d results don’t matter, it’s style over substance. Is that it?

Its about entertainment and you and I may have different views on that. Doesn't mean either of us are wrong

[GodIsADeeJay81]

And we've spent more than that in the last 5 years in the Premier league so what does that say?

We didn't need to overhaul the squad as much as they did.

But that's my view, you'll have a negative one as always.

[DomBFC1882]

No toys outside my pram, it's you lot having the collective strop, I was just using the same logic you lot use.

I can admit he has faults, I can also look at the bigger picture which you're usually incapable of doing.

Anything else?

I think you show yourself up well enough on your own.

I don't see you admitting his faults though in relation to his loan signings. You've said nothing regarding Dyches faults. Me pointing out Moyes showing his great management by signing Lingard has clearly upset you for you to respond so abruptly.

Have a horlicks and get a nice sleep

[springsteenisaclaret]

Some people really need to sit down for a couple of hours and think before going on a Footy forum


15 games in 6 weeks with a threadbare squad ... playing a team fighting for its PL survival in sh*te windy conditions...

I am not trying to make excuses ... it was a terrible game against a terrible team played in terrible conditions ... at least it wasn't totally a terrible result.

Get a grip, go have a beer, calm down ... and enjoy the fact we now have 8 days off to get a few bodies back on the team.

One of the best post's i've seen on here.
It was'nt good today but SD cannot be blamed when players can't complete a 10 yard pass. The same players, more or less, who 7 days ago played some great football and won plaudits galore on this message board. U.T.C.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

He literally only starts when one of the CMs or RMs is injured.

Right now yes, but Cork is 31 and we will probably only have 2-3yrs at the very most of him maintaining these standards, assuming he's injury free.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Brentford have t achieved what Burnley did, Norwich got relegated, reading have t been in the prem for 12 years. I’ll take your bizarre suggestions all the time. Burnley went 23 unbeaten in the championship and were leading scorers last time they were there, which thankfully is a long while ago now. It’s a long time since Norwich finished 7th or 10th, Brentford never have, reading haven’t for a long long time, if ever.

Are you advocating reducing chances of staying up by playing expansive open football Dom? Is that your suggestion, increasing risk, for no real return. Is that your logic here, just to be prettier? It makes sense why you want Vydra in the side now. End product a d results don’t matter, it’s style over substance. Is that it?

Dande serious question.

Do you enjoy watching Burnley play football?

[DomBFC1882]

We didn't need to overhaul the squad as much as they did.

But that's my view, you'll have a negative one as always.

The original comment was about us not playing football on the floor which was responded to by saying we can't due to lack of money. I've given a perfectly good example that it can be done and still you and your clan don't accept it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Right now yes, but Cork is 31 and we will probably only have 2-3yrs at the very most of him maintaining these standards, assuming he's injury free.

Similar to Hendrick, I can’t see Dyche trusting Brownhill at CM again after the start of this season.

CM will be high priority this summer. If there is funds

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I think you show yourself up well enough on your own.

I don't see you admitting his faults though in relation to his loan signings. You've said nothing regarding Dyches faults. Me pointing out Moyes showing his great management by signing Lingard has clearly upset you for you to respond so abruptly.

Have a horlicks and get a nice sleep

OK here's the faults you're so desperately craving to bang one out too.

Loans - we don't use this market enough and part of the issue is we don't play them when we've got them.
Probably doesn't help we got burnt by the absolute turd Drinkwater.

Style of play - we've never replaced Defour, we've had the money but the club has spectacularly failed to capitalise on having him and finding the next one.

Poor signings - yes we've made some, plus we've failed to move them on quick enough.

Overly loyal - this is quite common, even when someone is out of form.

I can be critical, the difference is I'm not making stupid posts without engaging my brain which is happening with a number of people on here tonight.

[Leisure]

Always to win, even more so at home, always set up to win!

So with the players available how should he have set up?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Similar to Hendrick?

I'm not even sure of the relevance when we see how many games he started and appearances he made.

I could make an argument that we are missing him this summer, but I'm bored of arguing against stupid tonight.

You are pathetic. Feel sorry for anyone that knows you, must be really difficult being right all the time.

I made a fair comment that Hendrick and Brownhill are similar players and Dyche is using them in a similar way and you start calling names.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The original comment was about us not playing football on the floor which was responded to by saying we can't due to lack of money. I've given a perfectly good example that it can be done and still you and your clan don't accept it.

Leeds have to stay up, financially they really need to.
They threw money at it and it's only because Bamford has hit a rich vein of form that they're going to, because they're leaking goals for fun at the other end.
The pretty football is nice, but right now they're just like an Eddie Howe side, score as many as they concede - For 40, against 43.

This summer they'll quite possibly spend a ridiculous amount again.

Someone made a comment that their regular starting 11 cost less than Wood, but they made 2 signings who individually cost more than Wood.

[DomBFC1882]

OK here's the faults you're so desperately craving to bang one out too.

Loans - we don't use this market enough and part of the issue is we don't play them when we've got them.
Probably doesn't help we got burnt by the absolute turd Drinkwater.

Style of play - we've never replaced Defour, we've had the money but the club has spectacularly failed to capitalise on having him and finding the next one.

Poor signings - yes we've made some, plus we've failed to move them on quick enough.

Overly loyal - this is quite common, even when someone is out of form.

I can be critical, the difference is I'm not making stupid posts without engaging my brain which is happening with a number of people on here tonight.

Loans - you said Dyche wouldn't play a loan player when he has fit permanent players. I responded saying that is a fault with Dyche to which you responded petulantly saying I must want rid of Dyche then.

I don't know why you're so dramatic and can't even debate a simple point like that. Me pointing out you can have success with loans and ive given you an example of that, surely would be something to debate and your reason for him not doing shows his stubbornness which is a weakness.

You will never see a post from me saying Dyche out as I want him here but to think he always makes me the right decision is madness.

[dandeclaret]

Dande serious question.

Do you enjoy watching Burnley play football?

I enjoy seeing the club progress all aspects. I enjoy the fact we’ve added a category 1 academy, a new training ground. I enjoy that they have finished 7th and 10th in 2 of the last 4 seasons. Today was frustrating, but I enjoyed seeing the club, ran well, avoiding all of the same pitfalls that so many clubs fall into. I enjoy seeing Burnley above Preston, Blackburn, Bolton and until very recently Leeds. I enjoy seeing the club achieve incredible results.

I enjoyed Crystal Palace very much, I’ve enjoyed away wins at MAN Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool in the last 12 months and as I said earlier, this board was like a ghost town. After a week vs palace there’s 85 posts on the player ratings thread and when we play poorly, there’s approaching (I think) a 100 posts within 2 hours on the player ratings thread today. I think too many Burnley fans are unappreciative of what they are watching and just what the club is doing. Some performances are poor, but that’s football. I saw somebody saying we should be beating Fulham and West Brom (and Bournemouth) but I don’t understand where this ego has come from personally. On our day we can beat them, but this idea we should be beating them is alien to me.

[boatshed bill]

Right now yes, but Cork is 31 and we will probably only have 2-3yrs at the very most of him maintaining these standards, assuming he's injury free.

We will not get 2 or 3 years of his maintaining his standards. Standards that when set at their highest were better than BFC could afford.
We are in some need of finding players close to their peak and integrating sooner rather than later.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I enjoy seeing the club progress all aspects. I enjoy the fact we’ve added a category 1 academy, a new training ground. I enjoy that they have finished 7th and 10th in 2 of the last 4 seasons. Today was frustrating, but I enjoyed seeing the club, ran well, avoiding all of the same pitfalls that so many clubs fall into. I enjoy seeing Burnley above Preston, Blackburn, Bolton and until very recently Leeds. I enjoy seeing the club achieve incredible results.

I enjoyed Crystal Palace very much, I’ve enjoyed away wins at MAN Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool in the last 12 months and as I said earlier, this board was like a ghost town. After a week vs palace there’s 85 posts on the player ratings thread and when we play poorly, there’s approaching (I think) a 100 posts within 2 hours on the player ratings thread today. I think too many Burnley fans are unappreciative of what they are watching and just what the club is doing. Some performances are poor, but that’s football. I saw somebody saying we should be beating Fulham and West Brom (and Bournemouth) but I don’t understand where this ego has come from personally. On our day we can beat them, but this idea we should be beating them is alien to me.

I understand your view and that’s fair enough. I just don’t think you should be dismissive of fans that want to see a more attractive style even if that results in relegation. I watch football for the entertainment, recently I find myself struggling not to turn it over.

Let’s hope things turn around this summer and we can invest in squad.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You are pathetic. Feel sorry for anyone that knows you, must be really difficult being right all the time.

I made a fair comment that Hendrick and Brownhill are similar players and Dyche is using them in a similar way and you start calling names.

Hendrick started a large number of games though when he was here.
Dyche trusted him and it showed and Hendrick fully repaid his transfer fee during his time here.

If you don't like being proven wrong time and again then don't engage with me, because you're not bothered about checking to see if you're right.
It took me 2mins to disprove the comment about the cost of Leeds' squad compared to Wood.

As for people who know me, you can make it as personal as you like, just shows you up more than me.

[warksclaret]

I was pleased to see SD being very frank about our performance today. It wont feel as bad tomorrow and hopefully we see a re-invigorated display at Spurs, with certain people to come back from injury.Lets hope that was our "bad game", forgetting of course Bournemouth. A challenge for the coaches this week

[Newcastleclaret93]

Hendrick started a large number of games though when he was here.
Dyche trusted him and it showed and Hendrick fully repaid his transfer fee during his time here.

If you don't like being proven wrong time and again then don't engage with me, because you're not bothered about checking to see if you're right.
It took me 2mins to disprove the comment about the cost of Leeds' squad compared to Wood.

As for people who know me, you can make it as personal as you like, just shows you up more than me.

Reported for being a troll.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Loans - you said Dyche wouldn't play a loan player when he has fit permanent players. I responded saying that is a fault with Dyche to which you responded petulantly saying I must want rid of Dyche then.

I don't know why you're so dramatic and can't even debate a simple point like that. Me pointing out you can have success with loans and ive given you an example of that, surely would be something to debate and your reason for him not doing shows his stubbornness which is a weakness.

You will never see a post from me saying Dyche out as I want him here but to think he always makes me the right decision is madness.

I've shown where I think he gets it wrong.
I've also shown I can go along with the logic of those having a tantrum after a loss.

I clearly can't win with you, have a good night

[Grumps]

So with the players available how should he have set up?

Bloody hell Leisure .... Stop asking questions he Carnt answer

[agreenwood]

I enjoy seeing the club progress all aspects. I enjoy the fact we’ve added a category 1 academy, a new training ground. I enjoy that they have finished 7th and 10th in 2 of the last 4 seasons. Today was frustrating, but I enjoyed seeing the club, ran well, avoiding all of the same pitfalls that so many clubs fall into. I enjoy seeing Burnley above Preston, Blackburn, Bolton and until very recently Leeds. I enjoy seeing the club achieve incredible results.

I enjoyed Crystal Palace very much, I’ve enjoyed away wins at MAN Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool in the last 12 months and as I said earlier, this board was like a ghost town. After a week vs palace there’s 85 posts on the player ratings thread and when we play poorly, there’s approaching (I think) a 100 posts within 2 hours on the player ratings thread today. I think too many Burnley fans are unappreciative of what they are watching and just what the club is doing. Some performances are poor, but that’s football. I saw somebody saying we should be beating Fulham and West Brom (and Bournemouth) but I don’t understand where this ego has come from personally. On our day we can beat them, but this idea we should be beating them is alien to me.

Spot on.

Bar a billionaire taking over, this past 6-7 years is probably as good as it gets for us. There aren’t many (read any) clubs our size/budget successfully playing attacking football in the Premier League. Now or in the last 20 years.

That might be a depressing thought, but it’s the reality. Don’t get me wrong, I get frustrated watching us at times and our transfer approach seems genuinely flawed to me, but the big picture is that we will probably be relegated at some point in the next 5 years or so. If we try and play attacking football on our budget, it’s pretty much guaranteed. Enjoy this whilst you can.

[dandeclaret]

I understand your view and that’s fair enough. I just don’t think you should be dismissive of fans that want to see a more attractive style even if that results in relegation. I watch football for the entertainment, recently I find myself struggling not to turn it over.

Let’s hope things turn around this summer and we can invest in squad.

I’m fully supportive of plying attractive football at a level we can compete on a level playing field. That isn’t the premier league, and therefore it’s all about getting results IMO. I think a lot of fans under appreciated how much stuff is stacked against this team, and what they and the manager are producing season in, season out. I appreciate it’s not the prettiest at times, I appreciate hat isn’t to everyone’s liking, but the future development of the club is sort of dependent on the club being in this division.

[Rileybobs]

Or to put it in perspective I’m sure I read that Leeds starting eleven for most of there games this season cost less than Chris Wood

I’m sure you didn’t, seeing as Raphina has started 16 games so far this season and cost more than Wood alone.

[DomBFC1882]

I've shown where I think he gets it wrong.
I've also shown I can go along with the logic of those having a tantrum after a loss.

I clearly can't win with you, have a good night

Haha you only acknowledged his faults on your previous post after I'd told you that you don't

[agreenwood]

I understand your view and that’s fair enough. I just don’t think you should be dismissive of fans that want to see a more attractive style even if that results in relegation. I watch football for the entertainment, recently I find myself struggling not to turn it over.

Let’s hope things turn around this summer and we can invest in squad.

Name one club with a similar budget to us (relative to the time) who successfully played attacking/exciting football. The little clubs who come up and try it, invariably get relegated with two seasons.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’m sure you didn’t, seeing as Raphina has started 16 games so far this season and cost more than Wood alone.

Fair enough. There squad must be low value though commentators mention it nearly every game that they have one of the cheapest squads in the league.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Name one club with a similar budget to us (relative to the time) who successfully played attacking/exciting football. The little clubs who come up and try it, invariably get relegated with two seasons.

I’m not debating that at all.

I am merely saying if some fans would rather we were relegated and play better football as a result then that is up to them. I can see the appeal, it is really difficult to watch Burnley at the moment.

[Rileybobs]

Fair enough. There squad must be low value though commentators mention it nearly every game that they have one of the cheapest squads in the league.

Nope.

Rodrigo £27m
Lorente £18m
Raphina £17m
Costa £16m
Koch £12m

[Newcastleclaret93]

Nope.

Rodrigo £27m
Lorente £18m
Raphina £17m
Costa £16m
Koch £12m

To be fair that is probably still one of the cheapest squads in the league, highlights how crazy this league is.

[Rileybobs]

To be fair that is probably still one of the cheapest squads in the league, highlights how crazy this league is.

Yes, it also helps to contextualise things don’t you think?