Realistic Dyche Replacement

[tiger76]

We really don't need one. We just need to bloody survive this season somehow and then spend some bloody money for a change. The manager isn't the problem! He's great! In fact he's a bloody miracle worker!!

If we do survive, and I think we still will despite our recent struggles, what makes you think we'll spend in the summer, and if we don't do you think SD will decide enough is enough?, because if he keeps us up again, and the new regime don't back him to the hilt I wouldn't blame him for walking away.

[gandhisflipflop]

If we do survive, and I think we still will despite our recent struggles, what makes you think we'll spend in the summer, and if we don't do you think SD will decide enough is enough?, because if he keeps us up again, and the new regime don't back him to the hilt I wouldn't blame him for walking away.

If we don’t spend this summer we absolutely deserve to go down and the club would deserve zero loyalty or sympathy from its supporters

[Hedontplayforyou]

Marco Silva

Banter

[Billyblah]

Struggling to understand how Steven Gerrard could be seen as an ideal candidate to manage Burnley.
As a player the only thing he experienced was a big club and surrounded by the most expensive players and relative success with a club constantly performing near the top of the Premiership.
As Rangers manager he has been lavished with a significant budget to manage in a league which is invariably a two horse race.
He has never understood scraping around with seriously constrained budgets, juggling threadbare squads, wheeling and dealing creatively in order to get the best value from signings.
This fellow fans, irrespective of whether it was the old Div 4, the Championship, or the Premiership these have always been the parameters in which a manager of Burnley FC has operated.

[Dark Cloud]

If we do survive, and I think we still will despite our recent struggles, what makes you think we'll spend in the summer, and if we don't do you think SD will decide enough is enough?, because if he keeps us up again, and the new regime don't back him to the hilt I wouldn't blame him for walking away.

Absolutely Tiger. I'm actually desperate for us to hang on and stay up and then I'm banking 100% on us having a huge turnover of bodies by our standards in the summer and that being driven by the board giving SD some serious money to play with, PLUS the money we make from Tarks (definitely) and Pope (maybe) leaving for large sums. AND some more peripheral players leaving for lesser fees to free up wages (Vydra? Brady? A.N Other?) However, if I'm wrong and the next window mirrors the last 2 or 3, then we're simply resigning ourselves to being next year's Sheff U unfortunately and quite rightly and understandably SD will be off!!!

[Longsider]

If and when he goes it will be his choice, what he has done for us is remarkable and IMHO he is unsackable, regarding a replacement I think the owners will look for an appointment to broaden our international appeal especially in the states as that seems to be their aim for us, therefore I think it will be someone with American connections.

Trump it is then. Our of work at the moment.

[tiger76]

Trump it is then. Our of work at the moment.

Make Burnley great again. that slogan could actually work.

[jrgbfc]

The press conferences would definitely be interesting

[TsarBomba]

Absolutely Tiger. I'm actually desperate for us to hang on and stay up and then I'm banking 100% on us having a huge turnover of bodies by our standards in the summer and that being driven by the board giving SD some serious money to play with, PLUS the money we make from Tarks (definitely) and Pope (maybe) leaving for large sums. AND some more peripheral players leaving for lesser fees to free up wages (Vydra? Brady? A.N Other?) However, if I'm wrong and the next window mirrors the last 2 or 3, then we're simply resigning ourselves to being next year's Sheff U unfortunately and quite rightly and understandably SD will be off!!!

There HAS been money to spend in previous windows, which for a number of reasons hasn’t been. One of those reasons has been Dyche’s intractability.

The position we’re now in is also on him. There is no doubt that finances have been stretched to try and support Dyche. We just haven’t had a sugar daddy to underwrite losses should we go down, hence the prudence.

And we’re now expecting our new owners, in a single window, to repair the damage of the past 3/4. That’s not going to happen without selling some of our best players.

[Jakubclaret]

I’d give somebody like Ian Holloway a short term deal to see if things could take off, if dyche was to leave.

[Dark Cloud]

There HAS been money to spend in previous windows, which for a number of reasons hasn’t been. One of those reasons has been Dyche’s intractability.

The position we’re now in is also on him. There is no doubt that finances have been stretched to try and support Dyche. We just haven’t had a sugar daddy to underwrite losses should we go down, hence the prudence.

And we’re now expecting our new owners, in a single window, to repair the damage of the past 3/4. That’s not going to happen without selling some of our best players.

True, but I actually think "some of our best players" genuinely want to go and tbf probably need to go for their own sake. Tarks for one has aspirations above Burnley and I don't have an issue with it. Pope maybe also and we can cash in tbh, but we have to have future planning/replacements in place and actually spend the money, not simply bank it!

[tiger76]

Absolutely Tiger. I'm actually desperate for us to hang on and stay up and then I'm banking 100% on us having a huge turnover of bodies by our standards in the summer and that being driven by the board giving SD some serious money to play with, PLUS the money we make from Tarks (definitely) and Pope (maybe) leaving for large sums. AND some more peripheral players leaving for lesser fees to free up wages (Vydra? Brady? A.N Other?) However, if I'm wrong and the next window mirrors the last 2 or 3, then we're simply resigning ourselves to being next year's Sheff U unfortunately and quite rightly and understandably SD will be off!!!

We did manage to clear a few high earners off the books last summer (Hart, Hendrick, Lennon), and we have a couple of senior players out of contract in June (Brady, Bardsley) plus Dunne, of course we've chosen to extend JBG, Long, Lowton & Pieters contracts, so that leaves us less wriggle room than might have otherwise been the case, Gibson and Tarks are pretty much certainties to go, Pope I'd like to keep obviously, bit if a large offer came in we'd have to consider it at least, but I'd definitely expect 4/5 major signings in the next window, and ideally these would be players who could go straight into the first XI, anything less and we can prepare for a bleak winter I'm afraid, with or without SD.

[Goodclaret]

I’d give somebody like Ian Holloway a short term deal to see if things could take off, if dyche was to leave.

I'd give him a short term deal too. It would be about 1 second long and I wouldn't pay him anything

[Right_winger]

What makes me laugh on here is that some people try and absolve Dyche of any blame with regards to transfers. Its almost Nicola Sturgeon level of passing the buck.

I’d be happy with someone who is adaptable tactically and will change things around when it’s just not working. Someone who will give the younger players a chance and someone who will look beyond older championship players.

Rafa Benitez would be a dream manager for us, a huge step up from Dyche.

[Jakubclaret]

I'd give him a short term deal too. It would be about 1 second long and I wouldn't pay him anything

On the premise that the malaise would be lifted & to start playing with an identity I can only think of 1 candidate, I didn’t say any longevity but if you are looking at a short term fix instead of a massive reboot I’d drive him from Grimsby or wherever he’s rocked up now.

[Swizzlestick]

Rafa Benitez would be a dream manager for us, a huge step up from Dyche.

In Benitez's two Premier League seasons with Newcastle, we finished above them in the first (qualifying for Europe) and within five points of them in the second, on a significantly reduced budget.

[Middle-agedClaret]

Mick Mc Carthy.
Mind you - I want Sean to stay.

[DAVETHEVICAR]

No way would Benitez come to Burnley.
Some Posters live in “ cloud cuckoo land”.
The new manager will have a tiny budget to spend as these American owners have no money.

[Wile E Coyote]

club must back dyche all the way, should never be talk of replacing him. if he had decent finances behind his team we would shoot back up this league. some of the suggestions for the job are ludicrous, unless of course you want us to return to the championship pronto. maybe drop below that level too with some of the managers mentioned above.
Everyone should know by now what an achievement it has been securing our place in this division on peanuts, THE entire british footballing profession realises what a job he has done here, but there is a madness afoot within our own fanbase.

[tiger76]

What makes me laugh on here is that some people try and absolve Dyche of any blame with regards to transfers. Its almost Nicola Sturgeon level of passing the buck.

I’d be happy with someone who is adaptable tactically and will change things around when it’s just not working. Someone who will give the younger players a chance and someone who will look beyond older championship players.

Rafa Benitez would be a dream manager for us, a huge step up from Dyche.

Nobody is absolving him of blame that I've seen, but he must be doing something right otherwise we wouldn't have survived at this level for so long would we, I'd love to blood our young players, but not at the expense of relegation, and we are looking beyond older Championship players, hence the interest in Collins at Stoke.

I genuinely don't know what you expect of SD given his budget, really we should be a mid-table Championship side, Oh! we were until SD arrived, and now we're enjoying a 5th successive PL campaign, however clearly that's not good enough for you.

Now if Sean decided to go and we could attract Benitez then great, but I can't see Rafa rocking up at the turf anytime soon.

[DCWat]

No way would Benitez come to Burnley.
Some Posters live in “ cloud cuckoo land”.
The new manager will have a tiny budget to spend as these American owners have no money.

Think he’s lost interest already - not even a match day tweet today!!

[MrTopTier]

Rafa Benitez
Stephen Gerrard
Ian Holloway

Ha ha comedy gold is this thread.

As Dave the vicar said some of you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

For information, there isn’t a vacancy.

[tiger76]

Rafa Benitez
Stephen Gerrard
Ian Holloway

Ha ha comedy gold is this thread.

As Dave the vicar said some of you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

For information, there isn’t a vacancy.

No there isn't but SD is only contracted until 2022, and as yet he has made no sign that'll he'll be willing to extend, now of course that may change if he feels he's getting genuine support from the board, so the onus is on Pace and co to deliver on their promises, and give SD a fair crack of the whip in this league, he's not perfect by any means no manager ever is. but on balance he's got far more credit in the bank than some posters on here will acknowledge, and he certainly deserves a chance to freshen up the squad this summer.

[jojomk1]

Allardyce or Pulis

Seamless transition which wouldn't have a detrimental effect on tactics or age of squad

[RingoMcCartney]

Banter

Does he have any experience of managing on a tight budget?

[CHEWBACCA]

Coyle.

[Steve1956]

Woan.....just for continuity....and to plss the Dyche haters off!

[brexit]

It’s not necessarily people ‘wishing’ for it.

There will come a time when it suits all parties for a change, and it may be that we’re coming to that point sooner rather later.

We’re bigger than Dyche, and there’s absolutely no reason why we still can’t progress if and when he moves on.

I love these discussions.
The fact that most posters think we are a football club still is laughable we are the latest reality television show. ALK have acquired an exploitable brand which Dyche, aged journeyman and hoofball don't fit.
The 31st of December 2020 is my generations orient match but this time we lost our club and gained a media presence. Pace is promoting the Ladies Team, renegotiating sponsorship for an American market.
Pace has already identified the next manager of Burnley and he will appointed as soon as we are safe\relegated.
It will be an American with knowledge and access to central American players because that is a commercially sound decision.
This is why we did not buy in January and will have a wholesale clear out in the summer with unknown (to us) players coming in.
Dyche is history get over it.

[Rileybobs]

I love these discussions.
The fact that most posters think we are a football club still is laughable we are the latest reality television show. ALK have acquired an exploitable brand which Dyche, aged journeyman and hoofball don't fit.
The 31st of December 2020 is my generations orient match but this time we lost our club and gained a media presence. Pace is promoting the Ladies Team, renegotiating sponsorship for an American market.
Pace has already identified the next manager of Burnley and he will appointed as soon as we are safe\relegated.
It will be an American with knowledge and access to central American players because that is a commercially sound decision.
This is why we did not buy in January and will have a wholesale clear out in the summer with unknown (to us) players coming in.
Dyche is history get over it.

Sounds totally plausible.

[Steve1956]

I love these discussions.
The fact that most posters think we are a football club still is laughable we are the latest reality television show. ALK have acquired an exploitable brand which Dyche, aged journeyman and hoofball don't fit.
The 31st of December 2020 is my generations orient match but this time we lost our club and gained a media presence. Pace is promoting the Ladies Team, renegotiating sponsorship for an American market.
Pace has already identified the next manager of Burnley and he will appointed as soon as we are safe\relegated.
It will be an American with knowledge and access to central American players because that is a commercially sound decision.
This is why we did not buy in January and will have a wholesale clear out in the summer with unknown (to us) players coming in.
Dyche is history get over it.

cool story bro!

[Right_winger]

In Benitez's two Premier League seasons with Newcastle, we finished above them in the first (qualifying for Europe) and within five points of them in the second, on a significantly reduced budget.

Come back to me when Dyche has achieved the same success and trophies as Benitez.

[3putt]

Andy Payton

[Swizzlestick]

Come back to me when Dyche has achieved the same success and trophies as Benitez.

I never said he had but you were talking about a serious upgrade yet at both Newcastle and in China his performance was average.

And if you’re bored by Dyche’s football, l suggest you have a look at how Benitez lines up his teams.

[TheFamilyCat]

I love these discussions.
The fact that most posters think we are a football club still is laughable we are the latest reality television show. ALK have acquired an exploitable brand which Dyche, aged journeyman and hoofball don't fit.
The 31st of December 2020 is my generations orient match but this time we lost our club and gained a media presence. Pace is promoting the Ladies Team, renegotiating sponsorship for an American market.
Pace has already identified the next manager of Burnley and he will appointed as soon as we are safe\relegated.
It will be an American with knowledge and access to central American players because that is a commercially sound decision.
This is why we did not buy in January and will have a wholesale clear out in the summer with unknown (to us) players coming in.
Dyche is history get over it.

Jay will probably survive the clear out then.

[HahaYeah]

I love these discussions.
The fact that most posters think we are a football club still is laughable we are the latest reality television show. ALK have acquired an exploitable brand which Dyche, aged journeyman and hoofball don't fit.
The 31st of December 2020 is my generations orient match but this time we lost our club and gained a media presence. Pace is promoting the Ladies Team, renegotiating sponsorship for an American market.
Pace has already identified the next manager of Burnley and he will appointed as soon as we are safe\relegated.
It will be an American with knowledge and access to central American players because that is a commercially sound decision.
This is why we did not buy in January and will have a wholesale clear out in the summer with unknown (to us) players coming in.
Dyche is history get over it.

Half want this to be true! Vamos Burnley!

[Mattster]

The job Dyche does/has done to keep us up with the squad at his disposal I just don't think anyone else could do. I think we are quite unique and if Dyche was to leave I think the basket case of our recruitment/financing would become evident very quickly. Any new manager isn't going to be able to overhaul the squad, they're going to have to work with what they've got and evolve it slowly, I think this would be really difficult for any incoming manager and I honestly think that the only chance we would have would be to bring someone in with the knowledge/experience of the current setup and how it operates. For that reason I can't look beyond Duff, I think he's shown the ability to take the Dyche framework and evolve it to put his own stamp on it, he'd have the knowledge of what went before, how we've been successful etc.

I just think it'd be the smoothest transition and that's something we'll need after the way the club will obviously have become set in to one way of working after all the time with Dyche at the helm.

I seriously hope this isn't something we need to be thinking about for a few years yet, though as if Dyche goes in the next window or next season we'll be relegated.

[Devils_Advocate]

The Neville brother that is on Sky Sports a lot as he knows his onions and would be the perfect replacement. Not to be mixed up with other one who manages the ladies as I dont think he could cut it in the top league even with a club like ours

[fidelcastro]

The Neville brother that is on Sky Sports a lot as he knows his onions and would be the perfect replacement. Not to be mixed up with other one who manages the ladies as I dont think he could cut it in the top league even with a club like ours

This will be Gary Neville, whose only managerial experience came at Valencia, where he was sacked after winning three of sixteen games and there wasn't a single clean sheet during that time.

Yeah, he sounds perfect

[Devils_Advocate]

This will be Gary Neville, whose only managerial experience came at Valencia, where he was sacked after winning three of sixteen games and there wasn't a single clean sheet during that time.

Yeah, he sounds perfect

Wow, I didn't realise he had already managed at such a big club. He might therefore be out of our league but dare to dream as the saying goes and Mr Pace might just be able to convince him to come to Burnley

[fidelcastro]

Wow, I didn't realise he had already managed at such a big club. He might therefore be out of our league but dare to dream as the saying goes and Mr Pace might just be able to convince him to come to Burnley

I'm sure Mr. Pace has more sense.

[Devils_Advocate]

I'm sure Mr. Pace has more sense.

Very true, he does seem to have his feet on the ground and is not the kind of person to get carried away with fanciful ideas that he knows he cant deliver.

Shame really as I think getting Neville as our manager would get the town buzzing like when we signed Ian Wright-Wright

[fidelcastro]

Very true, he does seem to have his feet on the ground and is not the kind of person to get carried away with fanciful ideas that he knows he cant deliver.

Shame really as I think getting Neville as our manager would get the town buzzing like when we signed Ian Wright-Wright

You're obviously on the wind-up for reasons best known to yourself, as a Gary Neville appointment would be about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Jindrich Trpisovsky

[Devils_Advocate]

You're obviously on the wind-up for reasons best known to yourself, as a Gary Neville appointment would be about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.

[boatshed bill]

You're obviously on the wind-up for reasons best known to yourself, as a Gary Neville appointment would be about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.

"Fart in a spacesuit"

[brexit]

Dyche leaves.
Pace then has to shortlist and interview managers. Who will advise him on this? Who is still left at the club who is credible?
Or
He uses his trusted contacts and a data driven approach to find a manager that suits his business plan.
Again we have moved on next season the club will be unrecognisable.

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Dyche will be here for a couple more seasons at least

[claret59]

We need someone with a 'feel' for a Cub like ours and one with real ambition to do well. I wasn't happy when we signed Joey Barton but what a signing he proved to be. He did well at Fleetwood (although his departure is something of a mystery,) and I think he would be a 'good fit' at Burnley.

[brexit]

"We have had a couple of meetings with him and another one going forward and phone calls and messages and slowly but surely we are getting to know each other as people and then the business side of it.

"The club will slowly but surely be taking the shape that they want it to take and then when it does that then we will talk more openly about what my part in the new shape is."

"We do some background planning of course but that is not the first concern for the new chairman and the people who are involved.

"They have to get their imprint on the club, re-model the thinking when appropriate and stick with some of the good stuff."

Dyche is definitely leaving.

[basil6345789]

Roy Hodgson