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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:14 pm

Oh well......

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:17 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pm
Any idea whether the trip to US was a business or pleasure, CT?
Business I believe - went after the Brighton game but he said he intended being here overall 80% of the time

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Swizzlestick » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:19 pm

Not a surprise at all. Never seemed quite right for the role.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by joey13 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:23 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:17 pm
Business I believe - went after the Brighton game but he said he intended being here overall 80% of the time
Still illegal to travel for pleasure apparently
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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:26 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pm
Any idea whether the trip to US was a business or pleasure, CT?

I’m certainly hoping it was to sign up some new investors post-transaction, not to catch up with family and friends.

On the Hart stuff, pretty inevitable given how silent he’s been in recent months. Hope they bring in someone experienced, or Checketts!
We need someone at the club who understands English football and the Premier League, it is important to have that knowledge and the contacts, Hart never had that, which I commented on at the time of his appointment, and again at the time of the takeover, he may have been fine as a Chief Operating Officer, but on the football business side we were considerably weaker for not having that experience, even with Garlick changing his role to Executive Chairman. Checketts can oversee (remember he employed Pace to do a similar job in the past) but I do not see him as the man on the ground

On a side note, Hart was brought to the clubs attention by Sean Dyche, when they were first developing BFCitC, he also sanctioned Rigg's appointment. It is all getting interesting.

One thing is for sure the club will not build it's business capability without the right culture in place and it appears the new owners have begun to execute their plan having made a swift assessment of the situation on the ground.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:29 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:26 pm
On a side note, Hart was brought to the clubs attention by Sean Dyche
Both had worked at Watford but I don't believe Dyche brought him to our club's attention.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by djemba-djemba » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:32 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:26 pm

On a side note, Hart was brought to the clubs attention by Sean Dyche, when they were first developing BFCitC, he also sanctioned Rigg's appointment. It is all getting interesting.
Does this suggest Dyche’s problems with the boardroom/ back room staff are of his own making?

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Hipper » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:33 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:32 pm
Big news here on UTC - CT & Papabendi agreeing on something.

Have to say I wasn't expecting it today although Alan Pace is back this week having been in the USA for past few weeks.
Is there some justification for him flying all over the place when the rest of us can't?

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:29 pm
Both had worked at Watford but I don't believe Dyche brought him to our club's attention.
not what Sean has said in the past

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:35 pm

Hipper wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:33 pm
Is there some justification for him flying all over the place when the rest of us can't?
I'm sure he has his business dealings? You could contact his office if you wish but i doubt you'd get a response?

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:36 pm

djemba-djemba wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:32 pm
Does this suggest Dyche’s problems with the boardroom/ back room staff are of his own making?
From what I believe, the manager's problems were with the former chairman.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:38 pm

djemba-djemba wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:32 pm
Does this suggest Dyche’s problems with the boardroom/ back room staff are of his own making?
Those type of situations are rarely the result of one person, and you learn a lot more about people when you work with them. I have long thought that the rapid deterioration in the relationship between Dyche and Garlick was in part a result of Baldwin no longer being in the mix to manage the situation

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:39 pm

Hipper wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:33 pm
Is there some justification for him flying all over the place when the rest of us can't?
Business travel is different - for example, we've had directors travelling to games. I think Garlick lives in Hertfordshire but he's able to attend games at the Turf.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by aggi » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:42 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:41 pm
He's not a football fan, that's the problem. I said to someone at the time that he didn't understand football fans and the response I got was that he didn't understand football. While others, including managers like Bilic, Mourinho even and Bruce were condemning PPV he made that comment.
Dyche was also fine with the £15 PPV from what I remember.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:44 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:42 pm
Dyche was also fine with the £15 PPV from what I remember.
Maybe he was, I never heard him say anything about it. I mentioned Bilic, Bruce & Mourinho because they all spoke out about it. Hart's response I found quite insulting.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Zom Zom » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:44 pm

Zlatan wrote:
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careful now, lets start with the 20th Century first... dont rush these things...!


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Post by Swizzlestick » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:52 pm

Yes, I remember being irked by SD’s comments at the time - https://www.football365.com/news/dyche- ... y-per-view
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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:55 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:52 pm
Yes, I remember being irked by SD’s comments at the time - https://www.football365.com/news/dyche- ... y-per-view
I can't recall having seen that previously but I'd have been similarly irked.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by jedi_master » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:07 pm

From my limited dealings, absolutely no loss.
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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by brexit » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:11 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:26 pm
We need someone at the club who understands English football and the Premier League, it is important to have that knowledge and the contacts, Hart never had that, which I commented on at the time of his appointment, and again at the time of the takeover, he may have been fine as a Chief Operating Officer, but on the football business side we were considerably weaker for not having that experience, even with Garlick changing his role to Executive Chairman. Checketts can oversee (remember he employed Pace to do a similar job in the past) but I do not see him as the man on the ground

On a side note, Hart was brought to the clubs attention by Sean Dyche, when they were first developing BFCitC, he also sanctioned Rigg's appointment. It is all getting interesting.

One thing is for sure the club will not build it's business capability without the right culture in place and it appears the new owners have begun to execute their plan having made a swift assessment of the situation on the ground.
I think you will be disappointed CP - we aren't a football club anymore we will be a media presence.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:21 pm

I once had a great relationship with a female CEO. MMMMM! Does that mean I should start getting my CV together?

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Post by Peter Loo » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:22 pm

Can I assume that Dave Baldwin is still available after leaving his last position.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:17 pm
Business I believe - went after the Brighton game but he said he intended being here overall 80% of the time
I know you were disappointed at the lack of contact from BFCitC to supporters groups regarding the " Clarets for Foodbanks " initiative, Tony .... has that issue been resolved, may I ask ?

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Oshkoshclaret » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:23 pm

Marple Claret wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:40 pm
Have you thought of applying Tony?

Not sure anyone knows more than you about Burnley, and your relationships with other CEOs are clearly an advantage?

On the downside it might mean you’d need to jack this in.
I must say that was a world-class cast, Marple. 🎣🐋🐳
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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:23 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:22 pm
I know you were disappointed at the lack of contact from BFCitC to supporters groups regarding the " Clarets for Foodbanks " initiative, Tony .... has that issue been resolved, may I ask ?
When we first set up we dealt with Paul France and Anita Orchard. Both sadly have left the Community now. Nothing, sadly, has been resolved.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:24 pm

Oshkoshclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:23 pm
I must say that was a world-class cast, Marple. 🎣🐋🐳
Do you mind? He might well have been genuine with his suggestion Oshkosh. :D

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by djemba-djemba » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:32 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:22 pm
I know you were disappointed at the lack of contact from BFCitC to supporters groups regarding the " Clarets for Foodbanks " initiative, Tony .... has that issue been resolved, may I ask ?
BFCitC once tried to pull out of an event they were due at (and had been paid to attend) 5 minutes before it started. No warning at all before hand that it was going to prove difficult, just a text message received at 11:55 to say they couldn’t make the event due to start at 12:00.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:32 pm

I suspect the way Neil Hart reneged on his (signed) commitment to join Huddersfield after Burnley made him an offer said something about him tbh as even at the time i thought it was pretty poor form tbh. (I actually wasn't sure it was particularly good form from the club either)
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Post by Dyched » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:46 pm
I think the only Tony Scholes who would be in with a chance of that job is man I used to refer to as The Imposter who is currently at Stoke.

In truth I wouldn't know where to start with a CEO job, it's way beyond me. Relationship with other CEOs - I would challenge anyone not to get on well with such as Dave Edmondson and Paul Fletcher. Lee Hoos was difficult at first but he went up so much in my estimation when we had our final meeting with him because he brought us all Krispy Kreme Donuts. Seriously though, had my moments with Lee but generally got on well with him. Dave Baldwin was totally different, the best CEO we've had in my view in terms of supporter engagement. He was everything the Bradford City fans told me he would be.

But this job is not all about supporter engagement, and it's certainly not being able to get on with me and my tantrums. I just hope we get someone who is good for the club as I believe, in different ways, the four previous ones were.
I just wanted to say a HUGE thanks Tony. I went out for short walk earlier and popped in Tesco. Ended up picking up a box of 6 mini Krispy Kreme Donuts. I put them in my backpack and had forget all about them till I read your post. Thank You.
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Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:34 pm

Hart - over-promised, under-delivered

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:35 pm

djemba-djemba wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:32 pm
BFCitC once tried to pull out of an event they were due at (and had been paid to attend) 5 minutes before it started. No warning at all before hand that it was going to prove difficult, just a text message received at 11:55 to say they couldn’t make the event due to start at 12:00.
Neil Hart didn't like the Foodbank, probably didn't get him enough publicity, and prior to him moving over to the club he was trying to shut the whole thing down. Then, suddenly, it became all important because of the increased numbers needing it and he was all over it again.

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Post by Peter Loo » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:35 pm

To answer my own question above it appears he is as only involved in RIASA as far as I can see.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by aggi » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:44 pm
Maybe he was, I never heard him say anything about it. I mentioned Bilic, Bruce & Mourinho because they all spoke out about it. Hart's response I found quite insulting.
These ones viewtopic.php?style=2&t=50437#p1397034

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:41 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:36 pm
These ones viewtopic.php?style=2&t=50437#p1397034
So I did know about it but had forgotten.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:43 pm

The big news from the club is not Hart leaving but the fan survey

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... ter-survey

at least from Pace's perspective - nothing about Hart

https://twitter.com/AlanPaceBFC/status/ ... 4461661187

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by aggi » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:41 pm
So I did know about it but had forgotten.
Reading that I realised I'd entirely forgotten about all the Project Big Picture stuff. I'm sure it's not gone away though.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:45 pm

Dyched wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:34 pm
I just wanted to say a HUGE thanks Tony. I went out for short walk earlier and popped in Tesco. Ended up picking up a box of 6 mini Krispy Kreme Donuts. I put them in my backpack and had forget all about them till I read your post. Thank You.
A backpack doesn't seem the most secure method of carrying Krispy Kremes.

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:47 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:43 pm
Reading that I realised I'd entirely forgotten about all the Project Big Picture stuff. I'm sure it's not gone away though.
Definitely not - The Premier League is due to report on it Strategic Review - initiated by Project Big Picture in the next few weeks - I have been tracking the bits of gossip about it on the MMT thread - the big clubs still want everything by the way

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Post by Papabendi » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:50 pm

I am confused as to why knowing lots about football has a bearing on a view and drawing the right conclusion on the PPV issue, because I dont think there necessarily is one. I could explain the concept to someone who knows nothing about football in about 5mins and they could form a view.

Some people were for the idea, a lot were against it. I was for it from an economic realism point of view. I understood the opposite view, however, there is pain to come make no bones, for supporters, so if it is not PPV it will be something else. I just didnt get the hysterics.

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Post by Dyched » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:53 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:45 pm
A backpack doesn't seem the most secure method of carrying Krispy Kremes.
They came in a box, I didn’t just randomly stuff them in there :lol:.

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Post by cbx750 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:07 pm

Dyched wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:34 pm
I just wanted to say a HUGE thanks Tony. I went out for short walk earlier and popped in Tesco. Ended up picking up a box of 6 mini Krispy Kreme Donuts. I put them in my backpack and had forget all about them till I read your post. Thank You.
I hope you paid before you forgot them. :lol:
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Post by Elizabeth » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:11 pm

Glad I’m not the only Burnley fan to have been snubbed personally by the now ex CEO.
From my experience he did not want to help other small community groups that wanted to work with him , in fact he actively condoned his staff in giving no support to my disability venture.

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:19 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:43 pm
The big news from the club is not Hart leaving but the fan survey

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... ter-survey

at least from Pace's perspective - nothing about Hart

https://twitter.com/AlanPaceBFC/status/ ... 4461661187
Mutual NDAs i'd assume?

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:24 pm

ŽižkovClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:19 pm
Mutual NDAs i'd assume?
there is a very short piece on the website, which is all about looking for a replacement in reality - guess they did not think much of him like many on here

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... parts-club

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Post by Edd_Claret » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:27 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:52 pm
Yes, I remember being irked by SD’s comments at the time - https://www.football365.com/news/dyche- ... y-per-view
Didn’t see that at the time but ridiculous comments from a Burnley manager which I’m quite surprised at

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Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:07 pm

Hart, Rigg and Anthony Fairclough the three to leave?

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:12 pm

Edd_Claret wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:27 pm
Didn’t see that at the time but ridiculous comments from a Burnley manager which I’m quite surprised at
That sounds an awful lot like what Hart said if I remember correctly

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Post by Local cricketer » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:41 pm

One club for all

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Re: Neil Hart - Burnley FC CEO - Departs

Post by NewClaret » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:17 pm
Business I believe - went after the Brighton game but he said he intended being here overall 80% of the time
Thanks CT. I don’t begrudge the guy some time with his family at all, but it’s clear as day that ALK haven’t paid up all the monies owed, so I’ll feel more comfortable once the investors are secured (ideally influential investors!)

Hoping they, or some new commercial partnerships, have been secured on his trip home.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:57 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:24 pm
there is a very short piece on the website, which is all about looking for a replacement in reality - guess they did not think much of him like many on here

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... parts-club
Yeah, it’s a strangely short statement. You’d expect he might’ve said a few words on his departure.

It is plausible that he has just decided to seek other opportunities given he must know a new shareholder will want to bring his own men in eventually. He may have jumped before being pushed? We’ll find out by how quickly Alan finds his replacement!

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