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Handball rule change

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:50 pm

IFAB have changed the handball law so that accidental offences that lead to a goal will no longer been penalised following last night's controversial decision to rule out Fulham's goal vs Tottenham

Accidental handball that leads to a team-mate scoring a goal or having a goal-scoring opportunity will no longer be considered an offence, the game’s law-making body the International Football Association Board has announced.

The controversial section of the handball law came into play during Thursday night’s Premier League game between Fulham and Tottenham.

The Cottagers had a goal by Josh Maja ruled out when the ball cannoned into the hand of his team-mate Mario Lemina from a Davinson Sanchez clearance when he was a matter of yards away.

And now the IFAB has agreed the change, which comes into effect from July 1. However, competitions have the flexibility to introduce changes prior to that date, IFAB said.

An IFAB statement read: “As the interpretation of handball incidents has not always been consistent due to incorrect applications of the law, the members confirmed that not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.”

It added: “Accidental handball that leads to a team-mate scoring a goal or having a goal-scoring opportunity will no longer be considered an offence.”

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by get stuck in tracy » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:59 pm

"Hows about I recommend a scheme whereby" if the ball hit the arm/hand then its not handball but if the arm/hand appear to play the ball it is. Credits to Monty Python Life Of Brian. keep it simple.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:03 pm

I was more upset with the non-penalty for Liverpool last night. Kante had his hand up like a wing. A completely unnatural position. Should have been given.
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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:07 pm

It appears that if you deliberately handle the ball it will be an offence, however, if it is accidental, it will not be considered an offence except if you score with the hand or accidentally handle before scoring.
I wonder why they never thought of that before now? :D
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Re: Handball rule change

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:13 pm

You would never guess David Elleray could get things wrong continually

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by NewClaret » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:25 pm

Getting sick of rules changing mid season. Might be the right call but you need to decide the rules, stick to them, then change them during the season.

Nobody can keep up.

In my opinion, VAR is a good addition to the game but has highlighted some stupid rules and also removed the element of common sense in decision making, which is what is causing the issues.
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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Hipper » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:49 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:07 pm
It appears that if you deliberately handle the ball it will be an offence, however, if it is accidental, it will not be considered an offence except if you score with the hand or accidentally handle before scoring.
I wonder why they never thought of that before now? :D
See my post at 3.45 pm here:

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:54 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:25 pm
Getting sick of rules changing mid season. Might be the right call but you need to decide the rules, stick to them, then change them during the season.

Nobody can keep up.
It's a good job they're not changing until 1st July then.
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Re: Handball rule change

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:58 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:25 pm
Getting sick of rules changing mid season. Might be the right call but you need to decide the rules, stick to them, then change them during the season.

Nobody can keep up.

In my opinion, VAR is a good addition to the game but has highlighted some stupid rules and also removed the element of common sense in decision making, which is what is causing the issues.
Spot on. Newcastle are 2 points better off after their pen winner at Spurs. They then amended the law on that situation.
Good or bad the laws should not change mid-season.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by mikeS » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:37 pm

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:46 pm

mikeS wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:37 pm
Changing the rules 2/3rds the way through the season is a shambles.
Good job they aren't doing that then.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:27 pm

The law needed changing, but the timing stinks.
How unfair is that to Fulham, if they get relegated not because they had least points, but because they changed the rules mid season.
The people in charge of this shambles should hang their heads in shame.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:35 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:27 pm
The law needed changing, but the timing stinks.
How unfair is that to Fulham, if they get relegated not because they had least points, but because they changed the rules mid season.
The people in charge of this shambles should hang their heads in shame.
Colburn---this changes on 1 July which is the close season.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by NewClaret » Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:50 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:54 pm
It's a good job they're not changing until 1st July then.
Fair enough, hadn’t realised. Pretty sure other rules have been changed mid-season? Like the coming back from an offside position one?

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:19 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:50 pm
Fair enough, hadn’t realised. Pretty sure other rules have been changed mid-season? Like the coming back from an offside position one?
I posted higher up they changed the hand ball law after Newcastle won at Spurs. Last minute Penalty after Dier got hit on the arm with his back to the ball.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Pstotto » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:31 pm

It's to kow-tow to a certain demographic that prefers the talk of 'Was it or Wasn't it' rather than watch a game of football.

Gossip rather than sport, enacted on the field of play.

Abroad it wouldn't surprise me if the Pl changed the brand name marketing to 'Fupvol Englan Bet'.

Let's see what Varsity Rules are applied tomorrow against Nike Dial Square.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:39 pm

How about "if it hits you on the arm below the shoulder and the arm is away from the body it's handball" job done.
They could even insist on a line sewn into the sleeve at a specific height, above which would not be deemed handball.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by KRBFC » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:46 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:03 pm
I was more upset with the non-penalty for Liverpool last night. Kante had his hand up like a wing. A completely unnatural position. Should have been given.
define natural for me, to me it was a natural position, he didn't move his hand there to block the ball intentionally.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:48 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:35 pm
Colburn---this changes on 1 July which is the close season.
Misunderstood that, thanks.
I was just told at work that they were changing.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by dougcollins » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:50 pm

Why is the amount they go on about Fulham so disproportionate to their actual standing?

If that had been Sheff Utd, West Brom, us, Brighton, no-one would have mentioned it again.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:55 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:46 pm
define natural for me, to me it was a natural position, he didn't move his hand there to block the ball intentionally.
Impossible to define, all a matter of opinion.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:01 pm

How did the game manage for all those years without needing to change the rules every other week?
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Re: Handball rule change

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:18 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:46 pm
define natural for me, to me it was a natural position, he didn't move his hand there to block the ball intentionally.
That’s true but under the new rules the majority of defenders have had their arms tight to their sides and some even have their hands behind their back.
He had his biceps down by his side but both of his hands were raised and outside the width of his shoulders. That was why I mentioned wings. He had already been hit by one attempt in this position and when the second attempt came in he made no attempt to lower them. I can’t think of any sensible reason why your hands would be there.
Opinions eh!

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by KRBFC » Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:39 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:18 pm
That’s true but under the new rules the majority of defenders have had their arms tight to their sides and some even have their hands behind their back.
He had his biceps down by his side but both of his hands were raised and outside the width of his shoulders. That was why I mentioned wings. He had already been hit by one attempt in this position and when the second attempt came in he made no attempt to lower them. I can’t think of any sensible reason why your hands would be there.
Opinions eh!
Putting your hands behind your back limits your movement though, Kante's running style meant his hands were there, he didn't raise his hand towards the ball, as the feet move, the hands come up. Natural positioning, ball was blasted from 2 yards away, no chance to move them.

The whole refereeing is a joke atm, I hate the whole handball nonsense tbh, 95% of the time it's accidental handball but still given. Then you have the offside rubbish, Werner last night was ruled offside with lines drawn on his hand, you can't score with your hand and that's never been offside before. A complete shitshow all around.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:06 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:39 pm
Putting your hands behind your back limits your movement though, Kante's running style meant his hands were there, he didn't raise his hand towards the ball, as the feet move, the hands come up. Natural positioning, ball was blasted from 2 yards away, no chance to move them.

The whole refereeing is a joke atm, I hate the whole handball nonsense tbh, 95% of the time it's accidental handball but still given. Then you have the offside rubbish, Werner last night was ruled offside with lines drawn on his hand, you can't score with your hand and that's never been offside before. A complete shitshow all around.
True. I was all for VAR but the officials are making a right horlicks of it.
I’ve said for years the FA should put a video out, pre-season, giving examples of what is and is not acceptable and it would be there for everybody to reference. They won’t cos they love the grey areas. Gives them more control.
I also think offside should have a decision “to close to call” and that should be onside. They take a single shot and put the lines on the tv but the boot is in contact with the ball for far longer than that. First touch you could be on, as the ball leaves the boot you could be off and vice versa.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Bigvince » Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:55 pm

The reason for the change is because Arsenal haven’t scored any goals with their hands this season

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Bullabill » Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:02 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:35 pm
Colburn---this changes on 1 July which is the close season.
"And now the IFAB has agreed the change, which comes into effect from July 1. However, competitions have the flexibility to introduce changes prior to that date, IFAB said."

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:09 pm

Bullabill wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:02 pm
"And now the IFAB has agreed the change, which comes into effect from July 1. However, competitions have the flexibility to introduce changes prior to that date, IFAB said."
Yes they did, however, they would be absolute clowns to change anything else before the end of this season after the way that they have messed about already this season.

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by RammyClaret61 » Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:37 pm

Bigvince wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:55 pm
The reason for the change is because Arsenal haven’t scored any goals with their hands this season
Approx 2:20pm tomorrow. :o

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Re: Handball rule change

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:09 am

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:09 pm
Yes they did, however, they would be absolute clowns to change anything else before the end of this season after the way that they have messed about already this season.
We are talking coco central, I certainly wouldn’t put anything past them, masters at creating further controversial confusion.

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