“A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

[Vegas Claret]

I hope they all get booted out of their respective leagues and European competition with immediate affect

[Oshkoshclaret]

I think we should f them off and good riddance.

And the Premier League preserve six spots and start-up assistance for fan-owned replacements - - Manchester Blues, Manchester Reds, London Spurs, London Gunners, London Blues and Liverpool Reds. As with AFC Wimbledon I think they'd carry a solid 90% of the true local fan base. And at a stroke we'd have a fairer league as well.

[Vegas Claret]

UEFA say every club and player participating in the Super League will be banned from all UEFA and FIFA competitions. UEFA will sue every club participating €50-60 billion.

[fidelcastro]

I don’t disagree with that position per se, but unfortunately the vast number of people associated with those clubs will be decent football people - like we are on this board. So we shouldn’t tar these people with the same brush as the greedy owners. I doubt many Spurs or Man U season ticket holders are in favour of this.

You'd have thought so, but listening to 5live tonight, there seemed to be a surprising number of "fans" who were all in favour of this nonsense.

[KRBFC]

Arsenal and Spurs signed up Arsenal are an absolute joke, they're midtable in the PL but want financial guarantees and guaranteed European football with no relegation? How about stop drawing at home to Fulham, losing at home to Villa/Burnley etc and earn Champions League qualification.... How about the Kroenke family take responsibility for the shambles at Arsenal, taking money out of the club to build an NFL stadium while Arsenal decline yearly, they have a big enough financial advantage over 50% of the other clubs in the league already, it's not like the club isn't generating millions already.

I say good luck to them, the national reaction to this news from ALL fans has shown there's a lack of interest and it will be strongly boycott. Fk the Americans trying to take over a non American sport, clowns don't have a clue what football means to local people, I say this a lot but people will NEVER understand what BFC means to BFC fans, you cannot fake or buy the emotional attachment that a local fan has. I cannot randomly ''support'' an NFL/Baseball team, foreigners like Alan Pace will NEVER get it (he seems a nice bloke, nothing personal).


Now is the time for the PL to bite back, the nation shall unite and support the FA in punishing these clubs. Ban the Glazers/Kroenkes from owning a PL club, ban the teams from competing, deduct 50+ points. The FA are spineless cowards but now they need to be brave and flex their power with the nation behind them.

[Rileybobs]

You'd have thought so, but listening to 5live tonight, there seemed to be a surprising number of "fans" who were all in favour of this nonsense.

Was there? I did have it on for 20 minutes but the other half changed the channel as I’d had sport on all afternoon! That really surprises me to be honest.

[kentonclaret]

You'd have thought so, but listening to 5live tonight, there seemed to be a surprising number of "fans" who were all in favour of this nonsense.

I take it these "fans" weren't from the Midlands or North East of England

[Elizabeth]

Is this a power battle with the current Champions League rulers by certain clubs ( the elite) who want a guarantee that they will always be in the Champions League whatever position they finish in their national league ( ie membership) ?
Are they are trying to persuade by offering other non member clubs the opportunity to be part of it if they do well one season in their national league ? Their reward bestowed on them by the elite ( pat on the back)

[Chester Perry]

Is this a power battle with the current Champions League by certain clubs who want a guarantee that they will always be in the Champions League whatever position they finish in their national league ( ie membership) ?
Are they are trying to persuade by offering other non member clubs the opportunity to be part of it if they do well one season in their national league ? Their reward bestowed on them by the elite ( pat on the back)

That is a battle that has been going on for 30 years, led to the initial forming of the champions League and every itteration since

[DCWat]

A quick scan of the sites of the big three and the monied three suggests, unsurprisingly, that there is going to be a huge backlash to this.

That, alongside the backlash from all excluded clubs must surely have been expected.

If an opposing voice grows as much as it has the potential to, who knows where this could end up!

[fidelcastro]

I take it these "fans" weren't from the Midlands or North East of England

No. Fans of some of the Clubs mentioned, plus fans of other Clubs who can't wait to see the back of the "big six"

[randomclaret2]

If , as they claim, they will continue playing in their domestic Leagues, what exactly will they be playing for ?

[fidelcastro]

A quick scan of the sites of the big three and the monied three suggests, unsurprisingly, that there is going to be a huge backlash to this.

That, alongside the backlash from all excluded clubs must surely have been expected.

If an opposing voice grows as much as it has the potential to, who knows where this could end up!

In the courts, quite possibly.

[Chester Perry]

Occasional contributor to the MMT thread and a well recognised expert on football finance @TheEsk with a very precise observation on this news

The private equity guys fed on the carcasses of the 2008 credit crunch. They are doing the same on the footballing carcasses of a post pandemic, regulated UEFA myopic world. Football is losing because those that run football are less intelligent than those who can provide finance

https://twitter.com/theesk/status/1383904900380200964

[dsr]

If , as they claim, they will continue playing in their domestic Leagues, what exactly will they be playing for ?

Money, of course.

[Chester Perry]

If , as they claim, they will continue playing in their domestic Leagues, what exactly will they be playing for ?

£££ $$$

[kentonclaret]

If , as they claim, they will continue playing in their domestic Leagues, what exactly will they be playing for ?

Whatever the level of prize money is for winning the PL or Serie A.

Every little helps

[Vegas Claret]

well I'm all in for PSG winning the CL now

[randomclaret2]

£££ $$$

What will they be playing for in the Premier League is what I mean.Obviously not European qualification.

[kentonclaret]

What will they be playing for in the Premier League is what I mean.Obviously not European qualification.

Will there no longer be money to be made from winning the PL?

[DCWat]

£££ $$$

They won’t be playing their superstars, they’ll all be too precious for the domestic league. What would it say for the Super League if one of their teams wasn’t to win the league!?

VAR officiated by Euro Super League referees to ensure their players are protected and the correct result achieved could be the answer!

[randomclaret2]

Will there no longer be money to be made from winning the PL?

The big money is made by qualifying for the Champions League.As that is effectively now guaranteed in perpetuity for these 6 ( in theory anyway ) the odd couple of million per place in the Premier League will hardly he worth bothering about for them.

[Chester Perry]

FIFA have released a statement - but it is not on their twitter account or website - doesn't say much in reality - probably too busy thinking of their expanded World Club Cup and how it's ecomomic model relies on those big European clubs

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/sta ... 20/photo/1

[Vegas Claret]

indeed

[KRBFC]

I don't know how they're trying to market it as the best teams, best players..... Milan haven't been a regular in the Champions League for 5+ years. Arsenal are mid table in the PL, I can't remember the last time Spurs won a trophy, Inter Milan can't get out of the CL group stages. Leicester are a better side than Arsenal and have been for years. Atalanta/Napoli have out performed Milan for years.

Breakaway league with Europa league sides

[Vegas Claret]

I don't know how they're trying to market it as the best teams, best players..... Milan haven't been a regular in the Champions League for 5+ years. Arsenal are mid table in the PL, I can't remember the last time Spurs won a trophy, Inter Milan can't get out of the CL group stages. Leicester are a better side than Arsenal and have been for years. Atalanta/Napoli have out performed Milan for years.

Breakaway league with Europa league sides

Ajax have more European wins than Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and Man City put together, it's all a sick joke

[kentonclaret]

The big money is made by qualifying for the Champions League.As that is effectively now guaranteed in perpetuity for these 6 ( in theory anyway ) the odd couple of million per place in the Premier League will hardly he worth bothering about for them.

If that turns out to be the reality then there will be zero incentive for the fans of these clubs to follow their teams in the PL, if they think that no effort or priority is being placed on obtaining the best finishing position or winning the league. That greatly diminishes the PL package that Sky make so much money from promoting and selling to fans.

[Chester Perry]

They won’t be playing their superstars, they’ll all be too precious for the domestic league. What would it say for the Super League if one of their teams wasn’t to win the league!?

VAR officiated by Euro Super League referees to ensure their players are protected and the correct result achieved could be the answer!

from post 6 of this thread

I have been posting about this extensively on the MMT thread for 3 years now, there has been plenty on there in the last month alone.

............ On Thursday the ECA released a new report that Defined the modern fan (you can find it on the MMT thread) it makes for interesting reading and from it you can see why the ECA are ignoring the committed fan (they are already being rinsed for everything they can afford and probably more and are unlikely to give up that commitment - it is all about the occasional spectator and understanding them so they can rinse them more to grow revenues and it is from this perspective that all these changes and talks of what people want is coming from. No matter what they say publicly there is absolutely no interest in the wider football family.

The Super League is about attracting the type of fan described above and the currently ungrabbed revenue potential from them. This is why the Super League Statement talks about 4 billion fans for 12 clubs (it is a nonsense of multiple counting of social media users). The current hardcore club fans can still be milked though which is why they want to play domestic football to stay those revenues - over time that may change but not in the next 10 - 20 years. Those fans will still crave domestic titles and cups

[Elizabeth]

The sanctions against these clubs must be massive , the biggest in history . The audacity to challenge their own domestic leagues and the already competitive Champions League by creating their own ‘Special’ European League and wanting to maintain membership of their parent league is beyond any words that have ever been created in life

[randomclaret2]

If that turns out to be the reality then there will be zero incentive for the fans of these clubs to follow their teams in the PL, if they think that no effort or priority is being placed on obtaining the best finishing position or winning the league. That greatly diminishes the PL package that Sky make so much money from promoting and selling to fans.

Thats precisely my point.Its all very well them saying they intend to carry on playing in their domestic leagues.It would appear in reality however that those League games would become largely irrelevant to them , which would in turn reduce the competitive integrity of the League.

[SGr]

This “just let them go” mentality I’ve seen on here is dangerous and exactly what they want. It has to be resisted at every turn.

[Vegas Claret]

This “just let them go” mentality I’ve seen on here is dangerous and exactly what they want. It has to be resisted at every turn.

why ?

[kentonclaret]

Thats precisely my point.Its all very well them saying they intend to carry on playing in their domestic leagues.It would appear in reality however that those League games would become largely irrelevant to them , which would in turn reduce the competitive integrity of the League.

Agreed

Burnley winning at Liverpool or Arsenal, once this Super League gets started, will not be as noteworthy or seen as such a great achievement if it appears that neither Arsenal nor Liverpool were making every effort to win to secure the highest league position possible.

[Vegas Claret]

Thats precisely my point.Its all very well them saying they intend to carry on playing in their domestic leagues.It would appear in reality however that those League games would become largely irrelevant to them , which would in turn reduce the competitive integrity of the League.

which is why they should be booted out

[Chester Perry]

This is significant

Told that Juventus have just quit the European Club Association and Andrea Agnelli has resigned as its chairman and also from Uefa Executive committee..

https://twitter.com/JBurtTelegraph/stat ... updates%2F

The Uefa President was a close friend and Godfather to his daughter

It has become even more significant

Told all six Premier League clubs have quit the European Club Association along with the six other 'founding fathers' of the Super League.

https://twitter.com/JBurtTelegraph/stat ... 2685516802

[kentonclaret]

why ?

Without the Big Six clubs plus 1 or 2 others it will diminish the standing of the PL making it less attractive to sell TV rights nationally and worldwide.

Less TV money will not be good news for those clubs that rely heavily on this form of revenue for their main income.

[Vegas Claret]

Without the Big Six clubs plus 1 or 2 others will diminish the standing of the PL making it less attractive to sell nationally and worldwide.

Less TV money will not be good news for those clubs that rely heavily on this form of revenue for their main income.

if the end result is a reduction in wages to a real world level I'm all for it, football has been up it's own ar$e for ages. If the monster clubs want to pay players 1 million a week then good luck to them. Change has been required for a very long time

[Vegas Claret]

It has become even more significant

Told all six Premier League clubs have quit the European Club Association along with the six other 'founding fathers' of the Super League.

https://twitter.com/JBurtTelegraph/stat ... 2685516802

bonkers, doesn't look like they are playing a game with UEFA, looks like they've decided and are doing it regardless

[Chester Perry]

We know that the Super League is serious because they have launched their own official website - I suspect someone has made a few bob selling that web address to them

https://thesuperleague.com/

[Vegas Claret]

We know that the Super League is serious because they have launched their own official website - I suspect someone has made a few bob selling that web address to them

https://thesuperleague.com/

when does the current TV deal run out for the PL ?

[kentonclaret]

if the end result is a reduction in wages to a real world level I'm all for it, football has been up it's own ar$e for ages. If the monster clubs want to pay players 1 million a week then good luck to them. Change has been required for a very long time

Those clubs in the Super League will have no problem generating income, but for clubs like Burnley a big drop in the money paid by Sky will be bad news for the club and their new American backers.

[Chester Perry]

when does the current TV deal run out for the PL ?

End of next season - you would think that this would do significant damage to the delayed tender process that has still not been released in most major markets including the UK

[Vegas Claret]

Those clubs in the Super League will have no problem generating income, but for clubs like Burnley a big drop in the money paid by Sky will be bad news for the club and their new American backers.

and every club playing in England, it won't just affect those in the PL

[Vegas Claret]

End of next season - you would think that this would do significant damage to the delayed tender process that has still not been released in most major markets including the UK

for sure, utter carnage is upon us no doubt. You would think it would reduce any transfer spend in the summer for clubs because of the uncertainty. I'm still for the greedy 6 to be kicked out though, they already have too much power and if they walk all over the PL/UEFA/FIFA then it will never stop

[Clarets4me]

In an ideal world, the " authorities " could play a big part here ....

Real Madrid fly in to Manchester, and at 1pm on the day of the game, Manchester City Council meet and pass a " new " requirement for the issuance of a " Ground safety " Certificate, It could be anything, " required number of certified Spanish speaking stewards per head for away fans ", " Unable to guarantee no fans have brought flares ", " Monthly fire retardant certificates for seats " etc

Another scenario, irate fans storm the stadium, start pulling out seats, rampaging through the corporate areas smashing wine bottles and throwing around prawn sandwiches, start digging up the pitch etc .... the Police are phoned, " I'm sorry, Mr Glazer, all of our personnel are deployed at the moment, and in any event Sir, didn't you say your Company owned the ground ? Well, I'm afraid that's private property, Sir, a Civil matter, unless I'm very much mistaken .... I might be able to send you a leaflet from " Victim Support ", if that's of any use to you ? "

[Chester Perry]

for sure, utter carnage is upon us no doubt. You would think it would reduce any transfer spend in the summer for clubs because of the uncertainty. I'm still for the greedy 6 to be kicked out though, they already have too much power and if they walk all over the PL/UEFA/FIFA then it will never stop

It certainly makes you wonder what we have to spend this year with such threats on the horizon and the debt liability that we are now carrying

[Vegas Claret]

In an ideal world, the " authorities " could play a big part here ....

Real Madrid fly in to Manchester, and at 1pm on the day of the game, Manchester City Council meet and pass a " new " requirement for the issuance of a " Ground safety " Certificate, It could be anything, " required number of certified Spanish speaking stewards per head for away fans ", " Unable to guarantee no fans have brought flares ", " Monthly fire retardant certificates for seats " etc

Another scenario, irate fans storm the stadium, start pulling out seats, rampaging through the corporate areas smashing wine bottles and throwing around prawn sandwiches, start digging up the pitch etc .... the Police are phoned, " I'm sorry, Mr Glazer, all of our personnel are deployed at the moment, and in any event Sir, didn't you say your Company owned the ground ? Well, I'm afraid that's private property, Sir, a Civil matter, unless I'm very much mistaken .... I might be able to send you a leaflet from " Victim Support ", if that's of any use to you ? "

I'd rather the PL have them play at 8pm on a Tuesday night, Super league on a Weds, then a 8pm kick off on a Thursday, 3pm on a Saturday - rinse and repeat

[Vegas Claret]

It certainly makes you wonder what we have to spend this year with such threats on the horizon and the debt liability that we are now carrying

given covid and today's news I would say minimal to nothing unless they know something we don't. The problem for us will be other teams will still throw money they don't have to try and qualify for the new CL - at this moment in time the big 6 won't be in it next season which opens it up to pretty much every other club in the PL.

Whatever happens, we must stay up

[Commy]

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/thre ... 326/page-2

City fans not happy.

[Chester Perry]

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/thre ... 326/page-2

City fans not happy.

Supporters groups from all six English clubs have come out with strongly worded statements denouncing the move