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Post by DCWat » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:10 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:08 pm
See my reply. I think the Government have some pretty decent Lawyers.

Not to mention every power needed to stop an ESL game ever taking place in this country, if they wanted to. I hope today’s statements aren’t just rhetoric.
They only have the power within the law, which is sort of my point. It’ll be the moneybags teams with the best lawyers, not the government.

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Post by Elizabeth » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:10 pm

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Post by diamondpocket » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:13 pm

Yeah, it sounds like from the sky sports lot, if you believe them, that they knew the reaction would be quite strong but that bad PR at this stage won't change much, They'll ride it out like politicians do, more stories will come to light and they can then crack on in the background with their plans. The Euros will cover a lot up for example. It also sounds like they know they'll have deals on the table with broadcasters and sponsors to get this going otherwise they'd never have announced it so they must know they are on for a winner at least to get it started. Then it's up to them to get it marketed right and all jazzed up for the commercial drive for the next 20 years ala Premier League. Watch this space.

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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:15 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:04 pm
Well I think they’ve managed to extract us from Europe and removed the entire populations civil liberties (not suggesting either are wrong, just complex issues) - pretty sure they could find ways to expunge these clubs entirely, never mind their financiers, if they wanted to.
This government have been beaten in court on a range of issues, they take a populist stance and forget the principle of law - Brexit was a referendum - most of the legal issues around it that went to court they lost

The 12 SLco clubs will have taken extensive legal advice and gone through the various rule books with a toothcomb - there are so many legal precedents to support their actions that it is difficult to see them losing
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:15 pm

It doesn’t need lawyers. Doesn’t need governments

Just needs players, fans and managers to unite.

But to be honest **** them. Let them go. Just seen the clubs involved. It’s hilarious.

Some of them aren’t even the biggest clubs in their postcode.

Spurs and no Ajax.
PSG and no Dortmund.
Arsenal but no Celtic.

It’s hilarious.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:17 pm

The biggest problem will not be any threat financially. It will be players refusing to play. And the violence it insights. Guaranteed. The team coaches. The players. The managers will bare the brunt of it. Stadiums will be barricaded by fans. Players will be attacked.

No exaggeration.

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Post by Rileybobs » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:29 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:17 pm
The biggest problem will not be any threat financially. It will be players refusing to play. And the violence it insights. Guaranteed. The team coaches. The players. The managers will bare the brunt of it. Stadiums will be barricaded by fans. Players will be attacked.

No exaggeration.
Carragher was a bit clumsy in suggesting that Liverpool fans would tear the stadium down. But he’s probably not far wrong.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:31 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:29 pm
Carragher was a bit clumsy in suggesting that Liverpool fans would tear the stadium down. But he’s probably not far wrong.
Completely agree.

I guarantee at their next game there will be thousands there outside.

It’s happen a good job the Real Madrid game was last week.

That said Man City v PSG and Chelsea v Real Madrid could well be interesting.

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Post by Elizabeth » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:31 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:15 pm


But to be honest **** them. Let them go.

I’m of similar mind even though I feel great sadness for their fans ( even the scousers )

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:33 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:31 pm
I’m of similar mind even though I feel great sadness for their fans ( even the scousers )
There is always Everton, Stockport and Barnet.

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Post by NewClaret » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:38 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:15 pm
This government have been beaten in court on a range of issues, they take a populist stance and forget the principle of law - Brexit was a referendum - most of the legal issues around it that went to court they lost

The 12 SLco clubs will have taken extensive legal advice and gone through the various rule books with a toothcomb - there are so many legal precedents to support their actions that it is difficult to see them losing
True, but it didn’t stop them getting it done.

Part of me thinks Perez gives so few fecks he won’t have bothered, but fair point. Nevertheless, since the Government appear to have managed to close every stadium in the country over the last year, I reckon they could stop the ESL taking place if they wanted to, by fair means or foul.

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Post by NewClaret » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:42 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:29 pm
Carragher was a bit clumsy in suggesting that Liverpool fans would tear the stadium down. But he’s probably not far wrong.
Shouldn’t give scousers ideas like that - imagine all that scrap.

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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:44 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:38 pm
True, but it didn’t stop them getting it done.

Part of me thinks Perez gives so few fecks he won’t have bothered, but fair point. Nevertheless, since the Government appear to have managed to close every stadium in the country over the last year, I reckon they could stop the ESL taking place if they wanted to, by fair means or foul.
Perez has been planning this for at least 14 years, Woodward was at J P Morgan advising the Glazers when they took over, JP Morgan are behind this, they most certainly will have done all the necessary homework - if it goes through JP Morgan are set to make billions as well

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Post by NewClaret » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:57 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:44 pm
Perez has been planning this for at least 14 years, Woodward was at J P Morgan advising the Glazers when they took over, JP Morgan are behind this, they most certainly will have done all the necessary homework - if it goes through JP Morgan are set to make billions as well
Really? I knew he had an investment banking background but thought he was CCO at United when Glazers took over?

So he was at JPM? That’s starting to make a lot of sense. Read earlier that Real/United were the main players. If I’d known that yesterday I’d have been even more disappointed we didn’t get a result on the day they announced this.

Yes, point taken they’ll have done their homework but still believe there are countless avenues to stop it if they want.

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Post by edlass » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:00 am

Hasn't this (sort of) already happened to the FA Cup? A now diminished Competition due to the creation/mutation of the premier league and Champions league. It has been reduced (in terms of replays) its been moved to Midweek and people don't even want to win matches just in case. There wasn't the same outcry. Am I off here? Gary linker is "disgusted" by this super league but wants to get rid of fa cup replays.
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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:10 am

without the big 6 it gives everyone else more hope of winning something, qualifying for a European competition etc. Give it a season, we won't miss them.

Let's not forget, the likes of Leeds, Villa, Forest and even Sheff Weds were bigger than City and Chelsea before the money came in - did anyone miss any of them (other than Sky missing Leeds) ? Didn't think so
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Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:10 am

where do sky, BT, BBC, stand on this pantomime, and the Sun media group.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:16 am

interesting thread........
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Perez is on crack, couple of highlights

Florentino Perez to El Chiringuito: "If young people find football matches too long it may be because they are not interesting enough... or maybe we might have to make the football matches shorter"

Florentino Perez to El Chiringuito: "The contract of the #SuperLeague is binding. Nobody can leave, we will work all together. All the clubs signed the contracts last Saturday, there's no problem
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Post by ten bellies » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:48 am

Our biggest, most prestigious competition was the FA Cup. The money men came along and changed all that. Football became all about the money it could generate, not the prestige that could be gained for a club and all those associated with it. Fourth in the league became a more important aspiration than actually winning something.
Prior to restrictions, I still enjoyed the day out to football, both home and away. I enjoyed the celebrations when we scored. I care less each day about everything else associated with football. The thought of going to more live music rather than football, when things return to normal, is becoming more appealing.
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Post by Rowls » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:02 am

DCWat wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:05 pm
I genuinely don’t think that’s the case. They only need look back to project big picture to understand just how opposed the majority are to their greed.
They knew full well what reaction they’d get. They’re intelligent people.
Of course they're intelligent but they have clearly been blinded by greed.
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Listening to Steve Parrish was mildly reassuring. Let's hope the 14 other PL clubs, the FL clubs, the footballers affected and politicians from all parties join together and all the avenues to defeat this anti-sport cabal are brought together in unity.

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Post by elwaclaret » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:36 am

DCWat wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:05 pm
I genuinely don’t think that’s the case. They only need look back to project big picture to understand just how opposed the majority are to their greed.

They knew full well what reaction they’d get. They’re intelligent people.
There are different kinds of intelligence. They are specialists in making money. I deal with intelligent people all the time who are clueless in each other’s field, even amongst professional historians. When you are king of the heap... who is going to risk upsetting you and risk losing their job to tell them they cannot take the money route and take the fan base that creates the atmosphere with you. You start doing tourist packages for mega bucks and locking out the traditional fans... just imagine how that will go down, in places like Liverpool and even at City.

Don’t forget this is not Europe, or even London... this is the home of the whole system they are about to break up... one thing I hope still sets Northerners apart is the sense of fair play and honesty, so...not that intelligent.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:55 am

I wonder if they stay in the PL will Man United still get 40 penalties a season ?

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Post by Zlatan » Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:58 am

I think the answer to all this is to get the big clubs who are relatively financially stable in the group of 12 to understand how powerful they become when they don’t bail out Real Madrid and Barcelona (insert other clubs who are also reeling in massive debt) afterall, this is their motivation to the whole thing - the ESL is just a bail out for massively mismanaged debt ridden diseased clubs who have always overinflated wages at the cost of others.

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Post by jojomk1 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:07 am

James Milner was saying, after Leeds/Liverpool game, that he wanted nothing to do with a Super League

If that's the reaction of the players where do these clubs go now

This is all down to the greed of the owners (and don't think they are all foreign owners eg Spurs)

Expelling them from leagues and Uefa/Fifa comps will hurt the innocent (players and fans), so can't really see this happening

You also can't force the owners out can you

Interesting times but the Premier League and others must make some sort of stand and keep to it

Do not let these parasites back into our game

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Post by Grumps » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:17 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:07 am
James Milner was saying, after Leeds/Liverpool game, that he wanted nothing to do with a Super League

If that's the reaction of the players where do these clubs go now

This is all down to the greed of the owners (and don't think they are all foreign owners eg Spurs)

Expelling them from leagues and Uefa/Fifa comps will hurt the innocent (players and fans), so can't really see this happening

You also can't force the owners out can you

Interesting times but the Premier League and others must make some sort of stand and keep to it

Do not let these parasites back into our game
To be fair James milner won't be playing by the time this comes around, it needs a group of young players at the top of their game to come out and say something, and that won't happen.

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Post by Dyched » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:19 am

The more I think about it the less bothered I am.

It could be a great opportunity for all the EPL/EFL/FA whoever to come together and reinvent english/european football.

Wage caps/fee caps/ticket price cap/official shirt cap etc etc. Put in an admin fee of £10m on top of every transfer from the English Leagues to the ESL. That money is then reinvested within the pyramid system. Reintroduce a cross country competition of some sort. League Cup for Championship/League 1/League 2. Scrape the EFL trophy or provide that just for the U21s. An overall wage budget perhaps. Player regulations such as 2 homegrown players in every match day squad, 6 english players in every match day squad.

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Post by Commy » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:33 am

Are the refs involved or is it going to be a free for all when they play?

Clubs will also milk them for players as they have so much money. The next Salah will cost them about £400m :D

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:36 am

Dyched wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:19 am
The more I think about it the less bothered I am.

It could be a great opportunity for all the EPL/EFL/FA whoever to come together and reinvent english/european football.

Wage caps/fee caps/ticket price cap/official shirt cap etc etc. Put in an admin fee of £10m on top of every transfer from the English Leagues to the ESL. That money is then reinvested within the pyramid system. Reintroduce a cross country competition of some sort. League Cup for Championship/League 1/League 2. Scrape the EFL trophy or provide that just for the U21s. An overall wage budget perhaps. Player regulations such as 2 homegrown players in every match day squad, 6 english players in every match day squad.
In an ideal work it could be seen as an opportunity to press reset. It’ll never happen though.
Also what would happen with the debt Burnley currently have?

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Post by Conroysleftfoot » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:42 am

Dyched wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:19 am
The more I think about it the less bothered I am.

It could be a great opportunity for all the EPL/EFL/FA whoever to come together and reinvent english/european football.

Wage caps/fee caps/ticket price cap/official shirt cap etc etc. Put in an admin fee of £10m on top of every transfer from the English Leagues to the ESL. That money is then reinvested within the pyramid system. Reintroduce a cross country competition of some sort. League Cup for Championship/League 1/League 2. Scrape the EFL trophy or provide that just for the U21s. An overall wage budget perhaps. Player regulations such as 2 homegrown players in every match day squad, 6 english players in every match day squad.
Good post. I was thinking along similar lines myself. Perhaps this is the chance for football in this country to reinvent itself without the obscene money that is currently ruining the game. Let the mega rich boys go off and play with themselves, if you know what I mean.

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Post by Dy1geo » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:05 am

From reading between the lines it is the closed shop nature of the European Super League that is the real gripe. Yesterday the Champions League was extended which again will harm the domestic game but there was no condemnation of it.

This Super League idea is too put pressure on UEFA to alter the champions league to suit them, and I can see a league format being introduced with fixed teams for say 5 years based on domestic positions over a certain period with rules enabling other clubs to break into that elite.

Whatever happens the domestic game will lose out.

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Post by beddie » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:13 am

Let's say Harry Kane is told he has to play but is fearful that if he does he can't play in the World Cup and the Euros. Surely the big name players are going to be fearful of how this pans out.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:17 am

They won’t be able to legally make him play. I’d guess his contract is a premier league contract that he could walk away from

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Post by Goobs » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:19 am

beddie wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:13 am
Let's say Harry Kane is told he has to play but is fearful that if he does he can't play in the World Cup and the Euros. Surely the big name players are going to be fearful of how this pans out.
That will prob be weighed up against the 150k a week (max) he could get in a domestic league to possibly 5x that playing in the ESL. Take a strong willed man to turn that down in a short career such as football.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:23 am

Zlatan wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:58 am
I think the answer to all this is to get the big clubs who are relatively financially stable in the group of 12 to understand how powerful they become when they don’t bail out Real Madrid and Barcelona (insert other clubs who are also reeling in massive debt) afterall, this is their motivation to the whole thing - the ESL is just a bail out for massively mismanaged debt ridden diseased clubs who have always overinflated wages at the cost of others.
This.

Hearing Perez’ comments made me hate him more than I already do. They’re broken? Of course they are. Because he and others like him have been out buying players for £100m+ and signing the likes of Ronaldo and Bale on incomprehensible salaries.

So his solution to his own mismanagement is to break every other European league to suit his own clubs ends? Disgraceful.

I dare say TV audiences and rights are reducing, most likely due to piracy. The footballing authorities need to crack down on that, but even if they were, how about they adjust their cost base???

His arrogance in insisting that their players won’t be banned from other competitions or his team banished from their own leagues is also astonishing. Sadly, probably correct for reasons CP has stated, but astonishing nevertheless.

Remain of the view that a combined response of all leagues and associations of “shock and awe” tactics is needed. Would love to know how these clubs are going to survive on £350m if it’s the only competition they’re allowed to play in.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:27 am

Who broke the transfer record to pay an extortionate amount for Zidane? Perez and Madrid.

Who broke the transfer record to pay an extortionate amount for ronaldo? Perez and Madrid.

Who wants to run the new super league that pays an extortionate amount to clubs and players alike? Perez and Madrid.


I ******* despise him and them.
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Post by Guppyspotter » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:30 am

What I fail to understand is that if there is a breakaway league consisting of the 12 plus teams allowed in on merit, what happens to those clubs thrown out each year. Will they have to rejoin at Tier 12 of their football league or would a premier league/ La Liga place be held open for them to welcome them back with open arms like the prodigal son or b@stard child? Uefa and the national associations must take a stand and prevent players being eligible to play in both ESL and domestic leagues in order to block this. It would stifle the appeal for players if they are effectively unable to come and go as they please,
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Post by NewClaret » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:33 am

Dyched wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:19 am
The more I think about it the less bothered I am.

It could be a great opportunity for all the EPL/EFL/FA whoever to come together and reinvent english/european football.

Wage caps/fee caps/ticket price cap/official shirt cap etc etc. Put in an admin fee of £10m on top of every transfer from the English Leagues to the ESL. That money is then reinvested within the pyramid system. Reintroduce a cross country competition of some sort. League Cup for Championship/League 1/League 2. Scrape the EFL trophy or provide that just for the U21s. An overall wage budget perhaps. Player regulations such as 2 homegrown players in every match day squad, 6 english players in every match day squad.
Some brilliant suggestions in this post.

I would personally make the EFL a cross country cup to liven it up a bit. And I’d make the admin fee £50m :lol:

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Post by Conroysleftfoot » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:34 am

Guppyspotter wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:30 am
What I fail to understand is that if there is a breakaway league consisting of the 12 plus teams allowed in on merit, what happens to those clubs thrown out each year. Will they have to rejoin at Tier 12 of their football league or would a premier league/ La Liga place be held open for them to welcome them back with open arms like the prodigal son or b@stard child? Uefa and the national associations must take a stand and prevent players being eligible to play in both ESL and domestic leagues in order to block this. It would stifle the appeal for players if they are effectively unable to come and go as they please,
The whole idea is for nobody to be thrown out. NO relegation.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:37 am

Conroysleftfoot wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:34 am
The whole idea is for nobody to be thrown out. NO relegation.
Sounds like fun.

The elite of every other country aspire not only to compete in and win trophies in their own league. But the big European nights as a reward for doing so.

And let’s not pretend fans of United and Liverpool et all don’t feel the same way. Some of the fans of those clubs best ever nights will have been games away in Amsterdam or Lisbon or even Istanbul, Moscow and Warsaw.

Them days will be gone.

It’s hilarious. Let the clubs go.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:40 am

Grumps wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:17 am
To be fair James milner won't be playing by the time this comes around, it needs a group of young players at the top of their game to come out and say something, and that won't happen.
Agree with this. It’s all very well ex-players and aging players commenting, and I think it’s helpful they are making a stand, but it needs the younger ones to stand up for it too.

Respect to Klopp & Bamford in that respect.

Reports suggesting that Man United players were unhappy yesterday. Probably their PR teams suggesting that, but if they’re so unhappy they should say so - loud and clear.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:42 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:27 am

I ******* despise him and them.
Likewise. I’d hate this idea anyway, but the fact he’s at the heart of it makes it even worse.

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Post by steve1264b » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:46 am

James Milner didn't say he wanted nothing to do with it.

He said he didn't like it and hoped it didn't happens took from that he would be lacing his boots up next season for Liverpool no matter what league they were in.

Klopp sat on the fence as well, he likes it that West Ham might qualify but he will be at Anfield next year whatever league they are in.

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Post by jtv » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:52 am

Conroysleftfoot wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:34 am
The whole idea is for nobody to be thrown out. NO relegation.
Only the 15 founder members are exempt from relegation. Plus 5 other teams will earn the right every season to compete but may be relegated and replaced.

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Post by joey13 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:56 am

steve1264b wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:46 am
James Milner didn't say he wanted nothing to do with it.

He said he didn't like it and hoped it didn't happens took from that he would be lacing his boots up next season for Liverpool no matter what league they were in.

Klopp sat on the fence as well, he likes it that West Ham might qualify but he will be at Anfield next year whatever league they are in.
Klopp has said more about it than our own manager , who don’t forget supported PPV

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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:57 am

One thing is for sure - football as we have known it for 10-20 years is over. The pandemic implied that possibility - this farce has made it a certainty.

What replaces it won’t look the same. Our role now (and we all have a role, however small) is to ensure that what replaces it is better, not worse.

Somebody on Twitter up at Aberdeen but a clip up of our match at the Turf. That atmosphere, and the stakes, are what we have to preserve.

I tend to agree with Chester Perry who has suggested probably about 30 times on this thread that the billionaire and financial / legal advisors will always win over the government. BUT, we are in an era now of the born again nation state (not just us) where governments have to raise their game and take on vested interests. I have a feeling the billionaires worldwide have now overplayed their hand. This isn’t just about football, it’s about power worldwide. If government let this go, they’ll let it all go, and we’ll go to ruin.

So I see these potential outcomes:

1. The 50%+1 ownership model - tricky with listed companies, but can be done with legislation, and shareholder value would be decimated, but to again quote Barry Davies, frankly, who cares?

2. A salary cap in sports nationwide (or, if difficult legally, a huge tax of 90% for player income above a certain level, or a huge turnover tax on clubs in bands of £100m, zero for the first £100m, 20% for the next £100m, 40% for the next......). That would cripple our competitiveness in UEFA but again it would only affect those six on the whole. Players would rise against it but the point would be to have an unpalatable option on the table so one of the other options (e.g. 50%+1) is preferred.

3. I think it is time for our friends in the north to come into the fold. For that matter, Northern Ireland too. We are told the union is at risk. It’s now time to bring it together. Regionalise the bottom two leagues and non league to cut down travel, make it a UK-wide system. With football at stake, FIFA should now agree to preserve the home nations international sides.

What the PM or culture minister has to do now is to invoke parliamentary privilege and discuss these options in the Commons at the dispatch box (where of course, they can say what they want without fear of being sued, as David Davis recently did regarding Alex Salmond). The ensuing panic will hopefully bring some sanity to proceedings.

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Post by Stayingup » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:05 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:10 am
without the big 6 it gives everyone else more hope of winning something, qualifying for a European competition etc. Give it a season, we won't miss them.

Let's not forget, the likes of Leeds, Villa, Forest and even Sheff Weds were bigger than City and Chelsea before the money came in - did anyone miss any of them (other than Sky missing Leeds) ? Didn't think so

And there is absolutely no guarantee that the money will be there forever at City and Chelsea.

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Post by EricaJacko » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:10 am

If these 6 teams did leave at the end of the season, wouldn't that mean no relegation for any team this season?

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Post by Stayingup » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:11 am

I just wonder what the bloodsuckers (agents) are thinking. Rubbing their hands no doubt, because this will happen. Then our leagues can re-form the way agents operate and are used. A cap on ther earnings. Ho ho. Great

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Post by diamondpocket » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:15 am

Goobs wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:19 am
That will prob be weighed up against the 150k a week (max) he could get in a domestic league to possibly 5x that playing in the ESL. Take a strong willed man to turn that down in a short career such as football.
Yeah, coz 150k a week is really tough living! The big players can stand up and be against if they want. They earn enough in a couple of years to be set for life if they want. This rubbish about it being a short career isn't valid for top clubs of The Prem. They are getting that money due to agents. Let's see who has the guts to stand up against it and say it isn't fair competition. I doubt few will when it comes to playing in it. It'll be 'we all dreamed as little boys of playing on the biggest stage, and this is it". Yeah, even if you don't have to earn it?

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