“A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
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In his very first interview he made it clear they were strongly against the idea of a Super League.
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Yer just greed plain and simple
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They should definitely bring down Rangers and Celtic and try to retain Spurs, i'm surprised Spurs signed up to this, Levy being the Chairman I doubt he had the final say, who even owns Spurs?Rowls wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:24 amThe remaining 86 professional Engish clubs need to break away from these 6 profiteering, monopolizing, anti-competition traitors.
No qualification? No relegation? Football without competition? What's the point?
Ban the 6 from the new 86 club football league until they renege. Heck, invite those uppity two ferkin Scottish clubs to join the FL unless they fancy the stupid super league nonsense.
The six who've signed this can be waved away to their silly euroland of no relegation. Nobody will want to watch it.
We can return to having a truly competitive Football League.
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Sky TV and their pundits were more than happy when foreign owners arrived at clubs to plough in billions of pounds and attract quality players to enhance the global and worldwide appeal of the Premier League brand.
They have created a problem that they now can't control.
They have created a problem that they now can't control.
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I strongly believe the club/board should make a statement as soon as possible denouncing this development.
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Spurs were probably the first to sign up to any deal that guarantees them European football.
Spurs were also one of the first clubs to take advantage of the government furlough scheme before a fans backlash made Daniel Levy swiftly change his stance.
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"What is left behind will be far better for them going. Ask most Burnley fans and they will tell you that the football in the championship is far more interesting and entertaining than the Prem. Without the big 6 the Premier League would thrive and be an even better competition, a competition that would generate far more interest than the stale competition we witness year in, year out, at the present."
I'm sorry but you don't know that and it shouldn't be said. You're telling me more would prefer to watch a lower league Champ side than a lower league Prem side? It isn't more interesting at all. Yeah, let's all watch Rotherham v Burnley!! It was interesting because we were winning!! Did you prefer watching a game of PNE v Derby on Sky this year then? That's just a subjective opinion. It has already been argued on the original thread the breakaway could dilute the competition and make it less interesting with less interest. The Prem has grown to be the biggest league in the world and its popularity is unrivaled, how would you think taking the big six out would generate FAR MORE INTEREST? Stale competition is Celtic or Rangers. At least The Prem has produced more teams with a chance of winning (Chelsea, Utd, City, Liverpool, Arse)
I'm sorry but you don't know that and it shouldn't be said. You're telling me more would prefer to watch a lower league Champ side than a lower league Prem side? It isn't more interesting at all. Yeah, let's all watch Rotherham v Burnley!! It was interesting because we were winning!! Did you prefer watching a game of PNE v Derby on Sky this year then? That's just a subjective opinion. It has already been argued on the original thread the breakaway could dilute the competition and make it less interesting with less interest. The Prem has grown to be the biggest league in the world and its popularity is unrivaled, how would you think taking the big six out would generate FAR MORE INTEREST? Stale competition is Celtic or Rangers. At least The Prem has produced more teams with a chance of winning (Chelsea, Utd, City, Liverpool, Arse)
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It most certainly wouldn't be far more interest. We'll be back to 80s levels of entertainment, which was mostly dire and the stats show that fans voted with their feet, and don't forget, even in real terms, live football was inexpensive to watch at the time. In any case, the EPL isn't going to kick these clubs out - they can't afford to.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:56 amWithout the big 6 the Premier League would thrive and be an even better competition, a competition that would generate far more interest than the stale competition we witness year in, year out, at the present.
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Work permits should only be granted to players who play 100% of their games in authorised competitions.
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That's not true.diamondpocket wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:23 am"What is left behind will be far better for them going. Ask most Burnley fans and they will tell you that the football in the championship is far more interesting and entertaining than the Prem. Without the big 6 the Premier League would thrive and be an even better competition, a competition that would generate far more interest than the stale competition we witness year in, year out, at the present."
I'm sorry but you don't know that and it shouldn't be said. You're telling me more would prefer to watch a lower league Champ side than a lower league Prem side? It isn't more interesting at all. Yeah, let's all watch Rotherham v Burnley!! It was interesting because we were winning!! Did you prefer watching a game of PNE v Derby on Sky this year then? That's just a subjective opinion. It has already been argued on the original thread the breakaway could dilute the competition and make it less interesting with less interest. The Prem has grown to be the biggest league in the world and its popularity is unrivaled, how would you think taking the big six out would generate FAR MORE INTEREST? Stale competition is Celtic or Rangers. At least The Prem has produced more teams with a chance of winning (Chelsea, Utd, City, Liverpool, Arse)
It was exciting because every game was a game. You could probably pick a couple of contenders for the promotion fight, but most seasons throw up several underdogs in with a shout. You also had a far greater chance of a bottom club overturning a top side, than is normal in the Premiership.
The last 2 seasons we spent there, it was noticeable that every club tried to get the ball on the deck and play football, you didn't appear to get anyone parking the bus in order to get a result.
If that can be replicated in a Premiership without the big 6, it would be a fantastic league.
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Spurs have been the instigators/been at the forefront of the chase for greater revenues and power for the last 40 years - a charge started by Irving Scholarkentonclaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:18 amSpurs were probably the first to sign up to any deal that guarantees them European football.
Spurs were also one of the first clubs to take advantage of the government furlough scheme before a fans backlash made Daniel Levy swiftly change his stance.
Those in the strongest position sign last - that was Manchester City
PSG haven't signed (yet) because Qatar has a World Cup to host next year and has a wider world legitimisation story to tell, being seen to not be in this at this stage is gold dust for that message.
I repeat the message from post 6 in this thread
that document https://www.ecaeurope.com/media/4816/ec ... ebsite.pdfChester Perry wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:27 pmI have been posting about this extensively on the MMT thread for 3 years now, there has been plenty on there in the last month alone.
The key thing about the FSE letter yesterday was that is was signed exclusively by supporters groups from the 14 clubs who provide the board members of the European Clubs Association - that is because the ECA met yesterday to agree a position on how much control they wanted over the commercial rights to the Champions League - A previous agreement by ECA President Andrea Agnelli and UEFA President (and godfather of Agnelli's daughter - not a conflict of interest apparently) made in private between then was a 50/50 split. Since then clubs with American owners and Real Madrid have agitated for overall control.
an FSE letter last month was signed by hundreds of clubs supporters groups demanded no further changes to the Champions League format. On Thursday the ECA released a new report that Defined the modern fan (you can find it on the MMT thread) it makes for interesting reading and from it you can see why the ECA are ignoring the committed fan (they are already being rinsed for everything they can afford and probably more and are unlikely to give up that commitment - it is all about the occasional spectator and understanding them so they can rinse them more to grow revenues and it is from this perspective that all these changes and talks of what people want is coming from. No matter what they say publicly there is absolutely no interest in the wider football family.
there is also a rumour that before Monday's sign off there may be more revelations around a proposed Super League including the financial backers and possibly the key proponents - a tactic to force the aims of the greedy re the control of those commercial rights in the Champions League
tells you all the reasons why the "Super League" has been formed and also why they want to keep in domestic leagues (and try to win them, for the time being. Essentially they see two different types of fan markets that they can profit from and recognise there will be limited crossover between the two. They truly believe they are fulfilling a market desire.
The problem is the sizes that they attribute to these markets, for years these clubs have called people who engage on social media with football fans, and sought to convince themselves, sponsors and media organisations that all social media fans are unique and do not have multiple accounts on different platforms (few, particularly in the investment sector have fallen for this nonsense). It is similar to the Premier League claiming huge audiences for games - the biggest global audiences for a Premier League game rarely touch 40m and are often less than 25m. The 12 clubs have claimed to have 4 billion fans - anyone giving it a couple of seconds thought would realise that half to two thirds of the worlds population does not support these 12 clubs.
A number of weary observers were yesterday afternoon supposing that all this was just a game of bluff to improve overall power in what was to be today's ratification of the Champions League format post 2024 - it may still be. The clubs however have now made their threat a reality, this is a much much more high stakes game, and one that Private Equity will likely win
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I thought the whole idea of these proposals is that they would generate new sources of income, especially for the elite clubs, without affecting the money coming into football elsewhere. Whether the latter part is true is the big question and most on here seem to doubt it. If income is reduiced outside the elite clubs it leads to the following conclusions:Socrates wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:59 amI have a number of thoughts about this. It’s hard to process them all because it’s all fermenting at the minute. However ....
1. This deal will not make players better. Footballers will not improve, nor will more newer footballers be generated. And they can only pick 11 at any one time. The way I see it this just means more average footballers get higher wages.
5. The real way this can be stopped is the players. They hold all the power. If they turn round and criticise it or say they won’t play in it what will the clubs do? If Mbappe turns round and says this competition is a joke and he won’t play in it ..... what are PSG going to do? They won’t sell him - they need him as a player. Ditto Rashford, Fati at Barca, Koke at Atleti, Mount at Chelsea, Foden at City ..... and so on. Real shame we don’t have an effective and worthwhile PFA in this country at this time.
1. The players who play for these elite clubs will surely get more money but they aren't average players - they're the top ones.
2. The players that will lose wages will be the non-top Premier League players, the average and less then averages ones, that play for the non-elite clubs.
3. The players you mention in '5' will get more money so my guess is they might make noises (and they might not) but it is in their financial interest for this proposal to go ahead. You take Mbappe. He says to PSG 'I won't play'. Why would PSG keep him if he won't play in the top competition? He's no good to PSG so they get rid. Where will he go? To a non-elite club on less money.
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I like this article, particularly the comment:
“Maybe it will end in an orgy of w*nking-while-drowning, self-absorbed destruction. Maybe it won’t. These are in a very real sense zombie football clubs who have been hollowed out and stuffed with money. They deserve to play in a zombie league. It would only be appropriate”
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Susie Dent is on the button today with her word of the day
Word of the day is ‘ingordigiousness’: extreme greed; an insatiable desire for wealth at any cost.
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Word of the day is ‘ingordigiousness’: extreme greed; an insatiable desire for wealth at any cost.
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Thing is, it sounds like the guff that was coming out of Pace re. monetising casual social media support:Chester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:43 am...tells you all the reasons why the "Super League" has been formed and also why they want to keep in domestic leagues (and try to win them, for the time being. Essentially they see two different types of fan markets that they can profit from and recognise there will be limited crossover between the two. They truly believe they are fulfilling a market desire.
The problem is the sizes that they attribute to these markets, for years these clubs have called people who engage on social media with football fans, and sought to convince themselves, sponsors and media organisations that all social media fans are unique and do not have multiple accounts on different platforms (few, particularly in the investment sector have fallen for this nonsense).
“If you look at what engagement they have and what drives them, they’d rather see the highlights for five minutes than necessarily watching the whole game.
“If they can see more things regularly, they want to stay connected to things they find interesting. That’s the same reason Snapchat works, Instagram works, the same reason all social media works, because you want to stay connected."
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There is a lot of research going on around how to monetise the highlights focus that is so prevalent in Gen X'ers, there are also a number of company's (mainly American) that are hell bent on monetising it, much of that is focused on owning the primary data - a subject I have posted about a few timesDuffer_ wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:57 amThing is, it sounds like the guff that was coming out of Pace re. monetising casual social media support:
“If you look at what engagement they have and what drives them, they’d rather see the highlights for five minutes than necessarily watching the whole game.
“If they can see more things regularly, they want to stay connected to things they find interesting. That’s the same reason Snapchat works, Instagram works, the same reason all social media works, because you want to stay connected."
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In your own eyes Colburn but as we know it's all about opinions. I'd completely negate that. Look at results this year, even ours but not only; lower placed clubs beat bigger clubs. I'd like to see your notion that a bottom club has a far greater chance of overturning a top side. Who have Wycombe, Rotherham and the likes beat this year? Not one of them have beaten a top side; one or two wins against play off contenders, that's it. It's like us beating Arse or Everton this year! I'm sure the likelihood is more or less the same. Obviously, there are always a couple in The PREM who are stronger than most, as there are in The Champ; Norwich have done it this year. Very few games is there the bus parked in The Prem either.
I agree The Prem could be more competitive and interesting on that score but I doubt the worldwide public would care, which would ultimately lessen the value. They want glamour and jazz,something that stands out, not a good game of competitive football. That can be found anywhere.
I agree The Prem could be more competitive and interesting on that score but I doubt the worldwide public would care, which would ultimately lessen the value. They want glamour and jazz,something that stands out, not a good game of competitive football. That can be found anywhere.
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UEFA have ratified the post 2024 Champions League proposals (36 teams, extra 100 games under the swiss model) - a stupid act of defiance that is likely to be as damaging to leagues as the Super League.
For clarity have ratified the format that fans were criticising in the OP of this thread
For clarity have ratified the format that fans were criticising in the OP of this thread
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Can't blame them.
As commercial organisations they don't get half the revenue they should from TV. Instead the PL give it to clubs like us to try and make their product more exciting and try redistribute the wealth so small clubs have a level playing field... but it just gets banked by greedy directors to use as their payoff.
If I were a CEO of Utd or whatever, I wouldn't be forming a part time tournament, I'd be leaving altogether to start a new league.
As commercial organisations they don't get half the revenue they should from TV. Instead the PL give it to clubs like us to try and make their product more exciting and try redistribute the wealth so small clubs have a level playing field... but it just gets banked by greedy directors to use as their payoff.
If I were a CEO of Utd or whatever, I wouldn't be forming a part time tournament, I'd be leaving altogether to start a new league.
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Dortmund have released an official statement
https://www.bvb.de/News/Uebersicht/Stel ... per-League
Opinion on the discussion on the introduction of a Super League
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Borussia Dortmund's chief executive, Hans-Joachim Watzke, took a position on the discussion about the introduction of a European Super League on Monday morning.
"The members of the board of the European Club Association (ECA) joined forces for a virtual conference on Sunday evening and confirmed that last Friday's board decision is still valid," Watzke said, adding: "This decision states that the clubs intend to implement the planned reform of the UEFA Champions League. It was the clear opinion of the members of the ECA board that they reject the plans to create a Super League."
Watzke also emphasizes that "both German clubs, which are represented on the ECA board, FC Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, have held 100 percent identical views in all discussions."
https://www.bvb.de/News/Uebersicht/Stel ... per-League
Opinion on the discussion on the introduction of a Super League
Bild10:45
Borussia Dortmund's chief executive, Hans-Joachim Watzke, took a position on the discussion about the introduction of a European Super League on Monday morning.
"The members of the board of the European Club Association (ECA) joined forces for a virtual conference on Sunday evening and confirmed that last Friday's board decision is still valid," Watzke said, adding: "This decision states that the clubs intend to implement the planned reform of the UEFA Champions League. It was the clear opinion of the members of the ECA board that they reject the plans to create a Super League."
Watzke also emphasizes that "both German clubs, which are represented on the ECA board, FC Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, have held 100 percent identical views in all discussions."
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I think the novelty would quickly wear off with this and become stale, very quickly. Little competition, with no passion. As Jeremy Corbyn said earlier, it's just a bunch of exhibition games and fans would get bored, quickly.
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Brilliant by them. My respect for Bayern, Dortmund has increased immeasurably in the last 24 hours.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:39 pmDortmund have released an official statement
https://www.bvb.de/News/Uebersicht/Stel ... per-League
Opinion on the discussion on the introduction of a Super League
Bild10:45
Borussia Dortmund's chief executive, Hans-Joachim Watzke, took a position on the discussion about the introduction of a European Super League on Monday morning.
"The members of the board of the European Club Association (ECA) joined forces for a virtual conference on Sunday evening and confirmed that last Friday's board decision is still valid," Watzke said, adding: "This decision states that the clubs intend to implement the planned reform of the UEFA Champions League. It was the clear opinion of the members of the ECA board that they reject the plans to create a Super League."
Watzke also emphasizes that "both German clubs, which are represented on the ECA board, FC Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, have held 100 percent identical views in all discussions."
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I reckon Klopp with leave Liverpool.
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Mmmm. No Celtic and Rangers?........
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Imagine you're a fan of one of these clubs, used to always being at the top , there or there abouts. You then find yourself spending a season or two, bottom or 2nd or 3rd from bottom, (with no relegation!!) Pointless games and out of the limelight. Not so attractive now, is it!?
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Doesn't the group who own PSG run BEIN sports ? Who have a massive contract with UEFA ?........Chester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:43 amSpurs have been the instigators/been at the forefront of the chase for greater revenues and power for the last 40 years - a charge started by Irving Scholar
Those in the strongest position sign last - that was Manchester City
PSG haven't signed (yet) because Qatar has a World Cup to host next year and has a wider world legitimisation story to tell, being seen to not be in this at this stage is gold dust for that message.
I repeat the message from post 6 in this thread
that document https://www.ecaeurope.com/media/4816/ec ... ebsite.pdf
tells you all the reasons why the "Super League" has been formed and also why they want to keep in domestic leagues (and try to win them, for the time being. Essentially they see two different types of fan markets that they can profit from and recognise there will be limited crossover between the two. They truly believe they are fulfilling a market desire.
The problem is the sizes that they attribute to these markets, for years these clubs have called people who engage on social media with football fans, and sought to convince themselves, sponsors and media organisations that all social media fans are unique and do not have multiple accounts on different platforms (few, particularly in the investment sector have fallen for this nonsense). It is similar to the Premier League claiming huge audiences for games - the biggest global audiences for a Premier League game rarely touch 40m and are often less than 25m. The 12 clubs have claimed to have 4 billion fans - anyone giving it a couple of seconds thought would realise that half to two thirds of the worlds population does not support these 12 clubs.
A number of weary observers were yesterday afternoon supposing that all this was just a game of bluff to improve overall power in what was to be today's ratification of the Champions League format post 2024 - it may still be. The clubs however have now made their threat a reality, this is a much much more high stakes game, and one that Private Equity will likely win
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I wondered the same tbh
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I honestly this Super League proposal is a smoke screen/grease the wheels of the above.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:33 pmUEFA have ratified the post 2024 Champions League proposals (36 teams, extra 100 games under the swiss model) - a stupid act of defiance that is likely to be as damaging to leagues as the Super League.
For clarity have ratified the format that fans were criticising in the OP of this thread
The Super League isn't going to happen anytime soon. But those 12 that have agreed to it will sit handsomely the uefa proposal and it will eventually morph into it.
2021 is the year when there is unprecedented cross organisational collusion to the greater good of both or one party.
Basic analogy, Colin the Caterpillar nonsense. M&S and aldi. They all know what they are doing....
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A reminder of a bit of Elite Breakaway history - from the Guardian 14 years ago this month - it led to further reforms of the Champions League and more money being distributed to the clubs
Top clubs in secret talks over European super league
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Matt Scott
Mon 2 Apr 2007 01.25 BST
Secret talks have taken place between Europe's leading football clubs and Brussels politicians that could lead to a breakaway super league. Sources involved in the discussions, held at the PSV Eindhoven-Arsenal Champions League match in February, state that a breakaway is the "ultimate threat" that could be exercised if Uefa and Fifa "run wild" in their governance of the game.
The talks were prompted by clubs' concerns over the findings of the Independent European Sport Review, a report commissioned by the sports minister, Richard Caborn, during the UK's presidency of the European Union last year. The review set in train a process that will come to an end when the commissioner Jan Figel, who attended the Eindhoven meeting, delivers a white paper for sport to the European Commission later this year.
Among the politicians present were Toine Manders, a Dutch MEP who is a long-standing advocate of free-market principles for football, and Ivo Belet, the Belgian MEP who drafted the European parliament's input into the white paper. Speaking on the BBC Parliament channel's Record Europe, Belet said: "We could have in five or 10 years a European Union super league; combined with collective selling of television rights that would be the perfect solution."
Manders explained on the same programme: "If we have a real internal market for the economic activities of professional football clubs, at the end you can have an EU league. If you have an internal market, that is feasible."
It is not known exactly what form such a league would take. However, the Guardian revealed 12 months ago a G14 strategy document drawing up a mechanism for a breakaway. That "Vision Europe" document envisaged "a detachment of the top professional level from all remaining levels underneath, if this was agreed upon by the clubs".
Those clubs would, according to that blueprint, then seek to run their own competition. This could effectively mean that the top clubs in each country would no longer compete in their home leagues.
For now there remains a strong commitment among the clubs to the Champions League and to domestic football. However, they are seeking to retain control over their own commercial activities and feel the politicians who joined them in Eindhoven have been sympathetic to their position.
One insider present at the talks said that the politicians were "particularly comfortable with having people around the table who their work will directly affect".
There is real concern about the independent sport review's demands for players to be released for international football without entitlement to compensation, the rule that suggests clubs would have to field a majority of home-grown players and a clause demanding collective selling of television rights and the sharing of revenue with smaller clubs.
This final issue will be analysed by Figel and the EC in their white-paper deliberations. Although in England the Premiership rights are sold collectively already, in many countries where clubs sell TV rights individually there is strong opposition. Milan earn more than £85m a year from their television deal while Real Madrid's seven-year deal with Mediapro, coming on stream from 2008-9, is worth about £110m each year. Moves to force them to share that cash could precipitate the exercise of their "ultimate threat" of a breakaway.
Top clubs in secret talks over European super league
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Matt Scott
Mon 2 Apr 2007 01.25 BST
Secret talks have taken place between Europe's leading football clubs and Brussels politicians that could lead to a breakaway super league. Sources involved in the discussions, held at the PSV Eindhoven-Arsenal Champions League match in February, state that a breakaway is the "ultimate threat" that could be exercised if Uefa and Fifa "run wild" in their governance of the game.
The talks were prompted by clubs' concerns over the findings of the Independent European Sport Review, a report commissioned by the sports minister, Richard Caborn, during the UK's presidency of the European Union last year. The review set in train a process that will come to an end when the commissioner Jan Figel, who attended the Eindhoven meeting, delivers a white paper for sport to the European Commission later this year.
Among the politicians present were Toine Manders, a Dutch MEP who is a long-standing advocate of free-market principles for football, and Ivo Belet, the Belgian MEP who drafted the European parliament's input into the white paper. Speaking on the BBC Parliament channel's Record Europe, Belet said: "We could have in five or 10 years a European Union super league; combined with collective selling of television rights that would be the perfect solution."
Manders explained on the same programme: "If we have a real internal market for the economic activities of professional football clubs, at the end you can have an EU league. If you have an internal market, that is feasible."
It is not known exactly what form such a league would take. However, the Guardian revealed 12 months ago a G14 strategy document drawing up a mechanism for a breakaway. That "Vision Europe" document envisaged "a detachment of the top professional level from all remaining levels underneath, if this was agreed upon by the clubs".
Those clubs would, according to that blueprint, then seek to run their own competition. This could effectively mean that the top clubs in each country would no longer compete in their home leagues.
For now there remains a strong commitment among the clubs to the Champions League and to domestic football. However, they are seeking to retain control over their own commercial activities and feel the politicians who joined them in Eindhoven have been sympathetic to their position.
One insider present at the talks said that the politicians were "particularly comfortable with having people around the table who their work will directly affect".
There is real concern about the independent sport review's demands for players to be released for international football without entitlement to compensation, the rule that suggests clubs would have to field a majority of home-grown players and a clause demanding collective selling of television rights and the sharing of revenue with smaller clubs.
This final issue will be analysed by Figel and the EC in their white-paper deliberations. Although in England the Premiership rights are sold collectively already, in many countries where clubs sell TV rights individually there is strong opposition. Milan earn more than £85m a year from their television deal while Real Madrid's seven-year deal with Mediapro, coming on stream from 2008-9, is worth about £110m each year. Moves to force them to share that cash could precipitate the exercise of their "ultimate threat" of a breakaway.
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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
yes I have posted about this separately win it was postulated that a global deal with DAZN was behind it - that has since been refutedVegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:27 pmDoesn't the group who own PSG run BEIN sports ? Who have a massive contract with UEFA ?........
I will share Simon Chadwick's thoughts - the Super League is a signal of intent if the clubs do not get what they want, PSG/Qatar waiting to see what happens, less aggressive than Abu Dhabi and their ilk that have partnered with Saudi Arabia in recent years against Qatar
Qatari country strategy is typically based upon hedging hence PSG's decision not to be part of current super league plans is telling. Suggests big club posturing is intended to pressure UEFA into making concessions on new Champions League proposals. Worth keeping on eye on PSG...
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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
Sky sports reporting the clubs have already signed a 23 year contract . So it’s a done deal already.
Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
Which means they’ve broken their contract with the Premier League, so could be thrown out , fingers crossedLowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:44 pmSky sports reporting the clubs have already signed a 23 year contract . So it’s a done deal already.
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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
They haven't, no commercial/media deals have been signed yet - the statement last night talks about a distribution of Euro 10 billion over the next 23 years in Solidarity payments to Leagues, Associations and clubs - in real terms it is likely to be no different to what UEFA would distribute from it's own competitions. The key is UEFA competitions also pay out moneys to 64 clubs currently, 96 next year. The Super League would have no more than 20 and the 15 permanent members would get a larger share than the 5 invitees. That is much more revenue for the entitled clubsLowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:44 pmSky sports reporting the clubs have already signed a 23 year contract . So it’s a done deal already.
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Re: A message for Alan Pace
Fans in the 80s were more concerned with the poor grounds and the tail end of football violence. Its since grounds became fan friendly, and women and children felt comfortable that attendances have improved. Standard of football is a nonsense.Billy Balfour wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:23 amIt most certainly wouldn't be far more interest. We'll be back to 80s levels of entertainment, which was mostly dire and the stats show that fans voted with their feet, and don't forget, even in real terms, live football was inexpensive to watch at the time. In any case, the EPL isn't going to kick these clubs out - they can't afford to.
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I think the intent is to leave domestic football anyway, it will be a 44 game season. Celtic and Rangers are wanting in which would increase the number of games to 52.
I believe the plan is play each other 4 times a season.
Sounds like a really bad plan to me, as Bosnich just said they had a similar format in Australia and the fans got bored of it.
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Yes but if they are not playing in their domestic leagues, will it really get the revenue it thinks it will. The domestic leagues will suffer when those top 6 leave.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:52 pmThey haven't, no commercial/media deals have been signed yet - the statement last night talks about a distribution of Euro 10 billion over the next 23 years in Solidarity payments to Leagues, Associations and clubs - in real terms it is likely to be no different to what UEFA would distribute from it's own competitions. The key is UEFA competitions also pay out moneys to 64 clubs currently, 96 next year. The Super League would have no more than 20 and the 15 permanent members would get a larger share than the 5 invitees. That is much more revenue for the entitled clubs
What I hearing on Sky is 4 times each team play each other. If your saying it’s going to be 20 teams there is no way they can play in the domestic leagues, they already moan they play too many games. Unless of course people are happy playing the big 6 under 23’s in the domestic league.
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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
UEFA are saying they will ban all players from those clubs to all UEFA competitions.
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Re: A message for Alan Pace
The one thing I don’t understand in all the commotion about the super league. Is Burnley have just sold out to American owners, ALK have put in next to no money and got our club. If anyone thinks ALK wouldn’t do the same as these other American owners then they are delusional.
Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
Again.. No they haven't... They are looking into it with their legal teamsLowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:03 pmUEFA are saying they will ban all players from those clubs to all UEFA competitions.
NEW: UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin has said players from the 12 proposed breakaway clubs should be banned from all UEFA competitions “as soon as possible.” Euro 2020? “We’re still assessing situation with our legal team.” #SSN #UEFA
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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
The UEFA president
“Players who play in the closed league will be banned from from participating in the World Cup and European championship, they won’t be able to play for there national team”.
Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
See quote aboveLowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:08 pmIt’s what Sky are saying the President has just been reported as saying.
This is a break away league, the clubs will not play in the domestic leagues, that I am certain of.
Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
Not the quote I've copied above... Who knows what the truth isNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:08 pmThe UEFA president
“Players who play in the closed league will be banned from from participating in the World Cup and European championship, they won’t be able to play for there national team”.
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Re: A message for Alan Pace
Seriously do people still think we are a community football club?Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:56 amAs a long standing fan of the club, and football in general, the news this weekend of a power grab by the top 6 clubs in this country is sickening. I choose the word very carefully, sickening is how any football fan would feel, when he's sees the game that we have known for 140 years threatened by greedy foreign businessmen.
As a new arrival from abroad, you too could be classed as a foreign businessman, and it is essential that you understand the very real danger the greed of these people places on the football pyramid, smaller clubs, and even Burnley should we face relegation. We've been there, faced extinction and crawled our way back on the field of play, as it should be. All fans want is a level playing field. For the last 15 years the top 4, and now top 6, have sought to take more and more money unto themselves. Despite all these benefits they still can't improve their games anymore than as of today. In a calendar year where we have won away to Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd, where the 12 richest clubs in the world, who also carry more debt than the rest of the top 200 clubs in Europe added together, is it right they seek even more money. To squander even larger sums on players not worthy of the fees. On wages far greater than any individual requires, and yet still fail to be successful. The closed shop of this league disregarding qualification or relegation based on merit, highlights the single purpose of said league. To make money.
It doesn't further football in any way, even their own fans don't want it.
As the present custodian of Burnley Foorball Club, you will have a say and a vote on how this breakaway evolves. As a committed fan I pray you listen to the voices of football fans everywhere, not just here in Burnley, and argue against it. If those teams then choose to quit the Premier League, good luck to them. What is left behind will be far better for them going. Ask most Burnley fans and they will tell you that the football in the championship is far more interesting and entertaining than the Prem. Without the big 6 the Premier League would thrive and be an even better competition, a competition that would generate far more interest than the stale competition we witness year in, year out, at the present.
Having been a locally run club throughout our history, don't let that history die by supporting this needless, greedy gazumping of our glorious game. We have put a lot of faith in you, please don't let us down at this first hurdle.
From Tony Scholes down you all believe in this "special relationship" you have with the club.
BFC is a media outlet now fans are irrelevant.
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Re: A message for Alan Pace
i would give Mr Pace the opposite advice. Keep quiet, make no promises, wait and see what happens.
What will happen next is the big clubs will want a bigger slice the premier league pie, you can only get the maximum benefit once, hold on and get the best deal you can.
What will happen next is the big clubs will want a bigger slice the premier league pie, you can only get the maximum benefit once, hold on and get the best deal you can.
Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans
Swanson is usually spot on.. And he quotes it as should, not will be.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:12 pmThe quote I put in is a clip trending all over social media. They have made it pretty clear there thoughts.
Wonder what happens next
I reckon they will have their competition, and the Premier league won't have the balls to kick them out.
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