• BPF

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:57 pm**

He’s no where near good enough.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:59 pm**

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:57 pm
He’s no where near good enough.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:04 pm**

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:59 pm

You may well roll your eyes but he’s not.

We get a point last week with Pope in the nets.

Hopefully he’s a late bloomer but I don’t think he’s good enough for first choice as things stand.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:06 pm**

I hope I’m wrong but I agree. Doesn’t have enough presence and as above just doesn’t look like a footballer. I know you can’t judge someones ability on appearance. And I know I just have.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:11 pm**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:06 pm
I hope I’m wrong but I agree. Doesn’t have enough presence and as above just doesn’t look like a footballer. I know you can’t judge someones ability on appearance. And I know I just have.

Believe it or not, he's our 2nd string 'keeper, and we now have had 3 England internationals in our squads over the last few seasons.
Go back to pre-Heaton and tell me BPF is not as good as any of our 1st choice 'keepers in the last 30 odd years.
We are spoiled these days for goalkeepers

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:34 pm**

I like the look of BPF, and Will Norris...

More importantly, the best goalkeeping coach in the PL thinks that they have something worth working on, and that’s got to be good enough hasn’t it?

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:34 pm**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:06 pm
just doesn’t look like a footballer.

One of the most stupid comments ever posted on here and there's been some really stupid ones in the past!

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:37 pm**

Leisure wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:34 pm
One of the most stupid comments ever posted on here and there's been some really stupid ones in the past!

Technically CCs Correct.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:39 pm**

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:43 pm
Well, the team has, actually.

And isn't it 8 in the last 3?

Last 3. Check the post before yours.
Man City A 5
Newcastle H 2
Man U A 3
Totals 10

I also said he’d done OK and used the word ‘unfortunately’. He’s had to play some big games and is a young lad making his way. It’s in front of him that doesn’t look solid or threatening enough anymore. The goal keeping department is the least of our worries this Summer.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:41 pm**

**** me theres some bed wetters on here.

When we sell Pope and put BPF in, don't come back crying here!

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:43 pm**

tim_noone wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:37 pm
Technically CCs Correct.

Interested to know what a footballer should look like??? Might help our recruitment team.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:20 pm**

His distribution is certainly a lot better than Pope's and hes done very little wrong objectively speaking. You cant blame him for any of the goals conceded in the last two games and he made a great save from Gayle last week and a good one v one save today.
However I still cant help but feel we would have come away with points these last two games with Pope in. I think he saves both first goals in the last two weeks (when performing well,) , which were good finishes but purely I think his stature allows him to save both. Not that he was I'm great forn before getting injured, mind.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:38 pm**

ClaretMat wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:20 pm
His distribution is certainly a lot better than Pope's and hes done very little wrong objectively speaking. You cant blame him for any of the goals conceded in the last two games and he made a great save from Gayle last week and a good one v one save today.
However I still cant help but feel we would have come away with points these last two games with Pope in. I think he saves both first goals in the last two weeks (when performing well,) , which were good finishes but purely I think his stature allows him to save both. Not that he was I'm great forn before getting injured, mind.

Agree with you on all points, apart from maybe saving the first today.

I have just watched the highlights back and had forgotten just how many times BPF saved us today. Billy is doing his work. An excellent understudy.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:39 pm**

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:39 pm
Last 3. Check the post before yours.
Man City A 5
Newcastle H 2
Man U A 3
Totals 10

I also said he’d done OK and used the word ‘unfortunately’. He’s had to play some big games and is a young lad making his way. It’s in front of him that doesn’t look solid or threatening enough anymore. The goal keeping department is the least of our worries this Summer.

Sorry, I thought he played against Saints.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:39 pm**

What BPF needs is a defence that protects him like Pope
Look at the facts . Man U the best team today , second in the league , Pope gets beat every time by those goals!
Newcastle , no chance with St Max mesmerising our defence , Tarks sliding on his arse for the winner , Mee hiding behind Tarks

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:27 am**

I thought he did well......Henderson was a train wreck in comparison.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:01 am**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:06 pm
I hope I’m wrong but I agree. Doesn’t have enough presence and as above just doesn’t look like a footballer. I know you can’t judge someones ability on appearance. And I know I just have.

Apparently he’s the best goalkeeper from Northern Ireland, somebody must think he looks like a footballer!

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:48 am**

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:11 pm
Believe it or not, he's our 2nd string 'keeper, and we now have had 3 England internationals in our squads over the last few seasons.
Go back to pre-Heaton and tell me BPF is not as good as any of our 1st choice 'keepers in the last 30 odd years.
We are spoiled these days for goalkeepers

I honestly can’t tell you if he is or isn’t. He’s only played three games for us.

He could be the next Heaton. He could be the next kiraly. He could be the next Luigi cenamo.

It’s rash of me to say he isn’t good enough. But it’s equally rash that people think he’s the new Heaton.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:50 am**

Leisure wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:34 pm
One of the most stupid comments ever posted on here and there's been some really stupid ones in the past!

Perhaps. But you’ve taken the context out. Where I said myself not a way to judge someone.

But look at all of the other players on the pitch. He just doesn’t look like a premier league footballer.

Perhaps he needs the akinbiyi training reigime.

You want your keeper to be dominant. He just doesn’t appear to have that about him. Yet.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:51 am**

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:01 am
Apparently he’s the best goalkeeper from Northern Ireland, somebody must think he looks like a footballer!

The hotbed of goalkeeping talent.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:06 pm**

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:39 pm
What BPF needs is a defence that protects him like Pope
Look at the facts . Man U the best team today , second in the league , Pope gets beat every time by those goals!
Newcastle , no chance with St Max mesmerising our defence , Tarks sliding on his arse for the winner , Mee hiding behind Tarks

Joe Hart looked great for us too, still shipped goals for fun and couldn't buy a win. I think goalkeepers communicating is incredibly important, why were the team so slow to pushing out towards Greenwood for the 2nd goal? was the goalkeeper not screaming at the team to wake up? I don't know, BPF makes good saves, doesn't strike me as a future PL goalkeeper though.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:22 pm**

'Mee hiding behind Tarks'

Oh, come on! You can't honestly mean that. A ridiculous statement about a player with limitations, but honesty, commitment and desire second to none.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:43 pm**

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:41 pm
**** me theres some bed wetters on here.

When we sell Pope and put BPF in, don't come back crying here!

Heaton will be back on a free

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:13 pm**

Conroy92 wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:43 pm
Heaton will be back on a free

Let's hope so

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:26 pm**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:51 am
The hotbed of goalkeeping talent.

Re: Northern Ireland - Pat Jennings wasn't too shabby.
Probably my favourite keeper of that period, (and that includes Gordon Banks).

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:52 pm**

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:22 pm
'Mee hiding behind Tarks'

Oh, come on! You can't honestly mean that. A ridiculous statement about a player with limitations, but honesty, commitment and desire second to none.

Yes, maybe an overly harsh description of Mee in this instance and certainly does not reflect my opinion of him overall,which is very high.

The Newcastle player is very tricky and Mee was directly behind Tarkowski when the shot was hit and effectively out of the game. I think his positioning to stop shots is usually better than he showed here

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:57 pm**

"Doesn't look like a PL footballer", well neither did Neville Southall in his day, didn't do too badly, and Luke Shaw plays for Man Utd and England.

"Needs the Akinbiyi...whatever" well, our nutritionists/conditioning staff have been trying to get BPF to bulk out a bit through a personal diet plan, so you may be right there.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:59 pm**

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:26 pm
Re: Northern Ireland - Pat Jennings wasn't too shabby.
Probably my favourite keeper of that period, (and that includes Gordon Banks).

Aye. I thought that as I typed it. But then realised he retired ten years before bpf was born.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:01 pm**

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:57 pm
"Doesn't look like a PL footballer", well neither did Neville Southall in his day, didn't do too badly, and Luke Shaw plays for Man Utd and England.

"Needs the Akinbiyi...whatever" well, our nutritionists/conditioning staff have been trying to get BPF to bulk out a bit through a personal diet plan, so you may be right there.

I know. I’ve alluded to it above. It’s a ridiculous thing to say someone can’t be good because they don’t look like a player. It’s just an observation that’s all.

Fwiw I just don’t have any where near the confidence I do when popes name isn’t on the sheet. And I didn’t even have those concerns when Hart was in goal.

I hope I’m wrong. But I’d put money on him not having a career with us as a regular premier league goalkeeper.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:09 pm**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:01 pm

Fwiw I just don’t have any where near the confidence I do when popes name isn’t on the sheet. And I didn’t even have those concerns when Hart was in goal.

I hope I’m wrong. But I’d put money on him not having a career with us as a regular premier league goalkeeper.

Perfectly natural, it applies to any position on the pitch when we are not at full strength.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:19 pm**

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:09 pm
Perfectly natural, it applies to any position on the pitch when we are not at full strength.

What would we really have done that much different in these games?

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:33 pm**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:19 pm
What would we really have done that much different in these games?

I think you've missed my point.
Put Kevin Long in for Tarks, or Jimmy Dunne for Ben Mee, whoever you like.
our stand-ins are not as good, obviously, so they make us nervous.
This, of course, particularly applies to defenders.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:06 pm**

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:33 pm
I think you've missed my point.
Put Kevin Long in for Tarks, or Jimmy Dunne for Ben Mee, whoever you like.
our stand-ins are not as good, obviously, so they make us nervous.
This, of course, particularly applies to defenders.

Understand. I thought you were implying the keeper was nervous because of a weaker side in front of him.

The main thing we have missed from Pope isn’t his general play. It’s his leadership and organisation.

Posted: **Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:18 pm**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:06 pm
Understand. I thought you were implying the keeper was nervous because of a weaker side in front of him.

The main thing we have missed from Pope isn’t his general play. It’s his leadership and organisation.

I'd put it slightly differently.
SD has built a defensive system based on Mee, Tarkowski and Pope.
Leave any one of the three out and the system doesn't work anywhere near as well, evidenced by our defensive frailty with Joe Hart in goal or Kevin Long at CB.
Add to that we are playing further up the pitch these days and are not very good at defending a high line (too slow).
FWIW, I don't think NP has been as solid of late.

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:06 am**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:33 pm
Not in anyway reason to judge him. But he doesn’t look like a professional premier league goalkeeper to me.

All the other players on the pitch on both sides look like physical, professional athletes.

Even McNeil looks older and more physical than him.

Reminds me a bit of ramsdale.

Did make a few good stops though.

I can't quite work out whether you think Pope and BPF are both a bit weedy for professional footballers, or whether you think Pope is a toned Schwarzenegger-like footballing hunk.

Which is the better way to judge a goalkeeper? To watch a Mr univers competition, or to watch a football match? They both look like keepers to me.

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:48 am**

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:57 pm
He’s no where near good enough.

Joe Neenan, Roger Hansbury, Mark Kendall weren't good enough

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:45 am**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:01 pm
I know. I’ve alluded to it above. It’s a ridiculous thing to say someone can’t be good because they don’t look like a player. It’s just an observation that’s all.

Fwiw I just don’t have any where near the confidence I do when popes name isn’t on the sheet. And I didn’t even have those concerns when Hart was in goal.

I hope I’m wrong. But I’d put money on him not having a career with us as a regular premier league goalkeeper.

It’s not that ridiculous, there’s a lot to be said about the groundwork children have about their movement, balance, and flexibility. Some children just move better and develop those positive bio mechanical memories that they carry into adulthood.

Bounce is a great book to have a read of.

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:34 pm**

I have faith that by now Mercer will know if he's up to it long term or not.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:38 pm**

Anyone confident he can step up?

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:41 pm**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Sat May 15, 2021 2:38 pm
Anyone confident he can step up?

I think he has something for sure. Good with his feet. Needs game time to learn, I’d say.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:42 pm**

Reminds me of Jensen on a bad day-his confidence is shot, particulasrly being No 1 to an England GK

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:42 pm**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Sat May 15, 2021 2:38 pm
Anyone confident he can step up?

Not confident but hope to be proved wrong, or preferably not be in a position where I have to find out.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:42 pm**

He’s a good competent keeper, he just doesn’t make the miraculous saves that Pope does.

Unfortunately we need to have a miracle worker between the posts

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:43 pm**

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:33 pm
He's shaky and makes mistakes.

Utter crap.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 2:52 pm**

He had no chance today with Mee and Tarkowski in front of him they were dreadful, they gave him zero protection.

I honestly don't think the score line would have been any different if Pope had have been playing, bar the 4th which he should have done better with.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 3:02 pm**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat May 15, 2021 2:41 pm
I think he has something for sure. Good with his feet. Needs game time to learn, I’d say.

I thought he did his learning on the training ground and then applied it in games. Doesn't look up to it for me but in his defence I wonder how many football matches he has taken part in this season. Can't be many at all and that is never going to help.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 3:47 pm**

When did we sign him? Was it 2019?
It must be hard to not play much football for 18 months or so and then to be called upon. I think he needs a loan in the championship with a team that would play him every week. That of course leaves a hole as our back up but I think he needs to play to develop and really see if he can make it.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 3:57 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:06 pm
Joe Hart looked great for us too, still shipped goals for fun and couldn't buy a win. I think goalkeepers communicating is incredibly important, why were the team so slow to pushing out towards Greenwood for the 2nd goal? was the goalkeeper not screaming at the team to wake up? I don't know, BPF makes good saves, doesn't strike me as a future PL goalkeeper though.

Very Joe Hart esc, I may have called this bang on

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 4:01 pm**

He’s essentially Joe Hart but gets less abuse from our fans because he hasn’t won multiple Premier League titles, played over 70 times for England and isn’t Tom Heaton.

Posted: **Sat May 15, 2021 4:04 pm**

He can’t seem to make a save from outside the box, very slow feet or something. I thought he should’ve been across for today’s first goal, I think it’s a save Pope makes look comfortable.

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