Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Both class acts but is there room for both of them in England's starting 11?
And what about 17 year old Jude Bellingham who is highly rated and who some have said is a special talent?
And what about 17 year old Jude Bellingham who is highly rated and who some have said is a special talent?
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
not under Southgate, he prefers the likes of Dier
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
nearly forgot, Southgate out
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Was going to post similar........Foden is unstoppable at the moment & will only get better.
Foden and Grealish should be the first names on the team sheet. They could create havoc!
Foden and Grealish should be the first names on the team sheet. They could create havoc!
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Foden starts.
Grealish his sub.
Both won't work in same team.
Both play their best in the same position.
Forget Grealish behind the 11 also as we know the 11 will be Kane and his strengths and what he needs.
Grealish his sub.
Both won't work in same team.
Both play their best in the same position.
Forget Grealish behind the 11 also as we know the 11 will be Kane and his strengths and what he needs.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Grealish on the left, Foden on the right - Henderson/Rice holding midfielder, Mount and Bellingham as a central 2 in front of Henderson or Rice.
Easy!!!
Easy!!!
Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Don't forget that Gareth likes to play at least 2 holding midfielders and 3 right backs. You need to slot them in around those.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
To my mind Foden is a level, or even two, above Grealish.
He’s got experience of playing in the Champions League, he’s more versatile, more of a team player and is doing it at a younger age.
Grealish has fantastic talent but it feels like you need a ball just for him at times. I’d likely have him as an option off the bench.
Foden and Bellingham are sensational for their age.
He’s got experience of playing in the Champions League, he’s more versatile, more of a team player and is doing it at a younger age.
Grealish has fantastic talent but it feels like you need a ball just for him at times. I’d likely have him as an option off the bench.
Foden and Bellingham are sensational for their age.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
If Happy Jack learnt to pass the ball,instead of beating every opponent he'd be a star and also stopping diving would help.
Its the usual media hype round Foden and Bellingham. I remember when Sterling was the best thing since sliced bread, now slagged off by commentators.
Personally, I would play Sterling before any of them ,he is a class act .But we are talking about Muppet Southgate a man who couldn't manage a pub side.
Its the usual media hype round Foden and Bellingham. I remember when Sterling was the best thing since sliced bread, now slagged off by commentators.
Personally, I would play Sterling before any of them ,he is a class act .But we are talking about Muppet Southgate a man who couldn't manage a pub side.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
I've not seen England have so many quality attacking players at the same time, since I started watching England in 1990. It's the defence that worries me. Slabhead and Stones have a mistake in them every game.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
We should play em all
Pope
Sancho Foden Rice Henderson Bellingham Grealish Sterling
Kane Calvert-Lewin Ings
Just not bother with defence and then they can't be your weakest point.
Pope
Sancho Foden Rice Henderson Bellingham Grealish Sterling
Kane Calvert-Lewin Ings
Just not bother with defence and then they can't be your weakest point.
Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Both very good players but not sure would work in same team. One looks like a chav and the other looks and behaves like a pr*ck. On balance Foden is probably less annoying to watch and more likely to be a better representative off the pitch. Grealish is more of a flair player but Foden is more of a team player. Foden is probably suited to more England games.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Pretty sure Southgate will line up with the below:
Pickford
Walker, stones, Maguire, Chillwell
Rice, Henderson
Foden, Mount, Sterling
Kane
This is just going of the fact he knows his starting eleven for the first game apparently and has clearly talked about the strengths of each of the above players
Pickford
Walker, stones, Maguire, Chillwell
Rice, Henderson
Foden, Mount, Sterling
Kane
This is just going of the fact he knows his starting eleven for the first game apparently and has clearly talked about the strengths of each of the above players
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
You’re probably right there. The problem is that Sterling and Foden don’t/won’t get close to matching their impact at club level because they’re not surrounded by the same class of player.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:45 amPretty sure Southgate will line up with the below:
Pickford
Walker, stones, Maguire, Chillwell
Rice, Henderson
Foden, Mount, Sterling
Kane
This is just going of the fact he knows his starting eleven for the first game apparently and has clearly talked about the strengths of each of the above players
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I’d play Foden in the pocket behind Kane and Grealish out wide like he does for Aston Villa.
They’re vastly different players. The more players that can win a game in a single moment the better. Kane, Grealish and Foden have that ability. I’d also find a spot for Ward-Prowse. Set pieces are crucial and he has the ability to hurt the opposition every single time.
Personally
GK???
Walker
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson
Rice/Ward-Prowse
Sterling
Foden
Grealish
Kane.
They’re vastly different players. The more players that can win a game in a single moment the better. Kane, Grealish and Foden have that ability. I’d also find a spot for Ward-Prowse. Set pieces are crucial and he has the ability to hurt the opposition every single time.
Personally
GK???
Walker
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson
Rice/Ward-Prowse
Sterling
Foden
Grealish
Kane.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
It's going to end up with a new Gerrard/Lampard/Scholes conundrum and I wouldn't be surprised to see yet another England manager fail to resolve an issue like this.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
I'm getting wound up just thinking how incompetent Southgate is.
We have a great chance to win it with the players we have but if Dier and Henderson get in we are just a poor team with what ifs.
We have unbelievable pace up front and players so confident on the ball in Foden and Grealish. Rice has improved massively this season and Kane has added assists.
The only worry is Sterling is way out of form and could be burnt out if they get to the champions league final.
We have a great chance to win it with the players we have but if Dier and Henderson get in we are just a poor team with what ifs.
We have unbelievable pace up front and players so confident on the ball in Foden and Grealish. Rice has improved massively this season and Kane has added assists.
The only worry is Sterling is way out of form and could be burnt out if they get to the champions league final.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:45 amPretty sure Southgate will line up with the below:
Pickford
Walker, stones, Maguire, Chillwell
Rice, Henderson
Foden, Mount, Sterling
Kane
This is just going of the fact he knows his starting eleven for the first game apparently and has clearly talked about the strengths of each of the above players
This one of Newcastle's looks pretty accurate - but to me looks like 6 defenders and 4 forwards. Leaves Mount (and maybe Henderson) to do all the creative midfield work as they're the only ones capable of doing it in that line-up. Need to find space for Grealish somewhere.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Foden is just getting better and better - a real talent
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Henderson? He's a top player and walks straight into England's starting 11. Certainly much better than the likes of Phillips.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:38 amI'm getting wound up just thinking how incompetent Southgate is.
We have a great chance to win it with the players we have but if Dier and Henderson get in we are just a poor team with what ifs.
We have unbelievable pace up front and players so confident on the ball in Foden and Grealish. Rice has improved massively this season and Kane has added assists.
The only worry is Sterling is way out of form and could be burnt out if they get to the champions league final.
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Hard to distinguish which is the chav and which is the prlck from that postBoss Hogg wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:20 amBoth very good players but not sure would work in same team. One looks like a chav and the other looks and behaves like a pr*ck. On balance Foden is probably less annoying to watch and more likely to be a better representative off the pitch. Grealish is more of a flair player but Foden is more of a team player. Foden is probably suited to more England games.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Did you see the video made of Hendersons passing in the world cup semi final against Croatia?EricaJacko wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:15 amHenderson? He's a top player and walks straight into England's starting 11. Certainly much better than the likes of Phillips.
It was woeful and a big reason why we lost from being 1-0 up. Modric just ran the show.
Now if you put him in a midfield 3 with Foden and Grealish by his sides he might be good enough. 5 yard passes to better players and defensive duties. Rice is ahead of him for that position at the minute but I can understand Henderson being there. In a defensive two, no thanks.
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I've said it for a long time now.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:14 amFoden is just getting better and better - a real talent
Barring injuries.
He will be England's best ever player. All the talent in the world and a technical coach to keep improving him.
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Edit wrong thread
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In the top 3 players I ever saw when I was scouting, along with Mason Greenwood and Zidane Iqbal (just signed first pro contract at Man United)ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:14 amFoden is just getting better and better - a real talent
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He just had a poor game. Overall in that World Cup he was one of our best players.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:49 amDid you see the video made of Hendersons passing in the world cup semi final against Croatia?
It was woeful and a big reason why we lost from being 1-0 up. Modric just ran the show.
Now if you put him in a midfield 3 with Foden and Grealish by his sides he might be good enough. 5 yard passes to better players and defensive duties. Rice is ahead of him for that position at the minute but I can understand Henderson being there. In a defensive two, no thanks.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
He’s been used well by Guardiola.
It was pretty clear two years ago that he was good enough.
He’s been used pretty sparingly on the whole and hasn’t been rushed.
Bit easier for a manager to do that when he’s got Silva and De Bruyne etc mind.
It was pretty clear two years ago that he was good enough.
He’s been used pretty sparingly on the whole and hasn’t been rushed.
Bit easier for a manager to do that when he’s got Silva and De Bruyne etc mind.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
We probably just look for different things in players. It's good to have differing opinions.EricaJacko wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:22 amHe just had a poor game. Overall in that World Cup he was one of our best players.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
I usually have a healthy dose of cynicism when it comes to the next English wunderkind, players like Wilshere and Walcott were heavily hyped but I never saw what the fuss was about. However, to me, Foden genuinely looks like one of the most promising footballers I've seen in a long time, the ball sticks to him like glue. If he keeps his focus on playing footy and leads a sensible lifestyle he could turn into something very special.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Foden isn't alone either. I think Greenwood could become a top-top-top (Merson style) player if he keeps his head down.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
You’ve started a thread on the wrong forum here.
90% of posters will just tell you they won’t be bothering to watch any of the games and how England bore them to death.
90% of posters will just tell you they won’t be bothering to watch any of the games and how England bore them to death.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
We have the players to play multiple systems depending on opposition. It just worries me that Southgate will go ultra conservative. The best form of defence is attack, if we fall on our sword playing Grealish Mount and Foden, then so be it, but I'd rather we have a go than limp out again.
In theory against the lesser teams we could go 4-3-3 with Grealish and Foden in the 3
Or they could both play in a 4 -2 -3 -1 or 4-5-1 with Kane as the front man.
Rashford and Sterling are both good on their day, but very hit and miss at international level
In theory against the lesser teams we could go 4-3-3 with Grealish and Foden in the 3
Or they could both play in a 4 -2 -3 -1 or 4-5-1 with Kane as the front man.
Rashford and Sterling are both good on their day, but very hit and miss at international level
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Or a good old English 4-4-2 - they won't know what's hit 'emRic_C wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:42 pmWe have the players to play multiple systems depending on opposition. It just worries me that Southgate will go ultra conservative. The best form of defence is attack, if we fall on our sword playing Grealish Mount and Foden, then so be it, but I'd rather we have a go than limp out again.
In theory against the lesser teams we could go 4-3-3 with Grealish and Foden in the 3
Or they could both play in a 4 -2 -3 -1 or 4-5-1 with Kane as the front man.
Rashford and Sterling are both good on their day, but very hit and miss at international level
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
That's the England match threads that get started, where people go on to a match thread to say they have no interest in the match.djemba-djemba wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:03 pm90% of posters will just tell you they won’t be bothering to watch any of the games and how England bore them to death.
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djemba-djemba wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:03 pmYou’ve started a thread on the wrong forum here.
90% of posters will just tell you they won’t be bothering to watch any of the games and how England bore them to death.
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The England match day thread are a great way to find out who
S opinions about Burnley are worth thinking about.
Most posters whinge about some kind of entitlement that West Ham/Leeds fans have yet turn into exactly the same when anything England related.
Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Foden looks like he should be wandering the streets in a dirty shell suit committing petty crime and with a Staffie or Rottweiler attached. Maybe he would be if he wasn’t a footballer.
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Walker is a big-game red card just waiting to happen.......strong and fast, but loses his head.Dyched wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:10 amI’d play Foden in the pocket behind Kane and Grealish out wide like he does for Aston Villa.
They’re vastly different players. The more players that can win a game in a single moment the better. Kane, Grealish and Foden have that ability. I’d also find a spot for Ward-Prowse. Set pieces are crucial and he has the ability to hurt the opposition every single time.
Personally
GK???
Walker
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson
Rice/Ward-Prowse
Sterling
Foden
Grealish
Kane.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
I like your style, Oscar!superdimitri wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:19 amWe should play em all
Pope
Sancho Foden Rice Henderson Bellingham Grealish Sterling
Kane Calvert-Lewin Ings
Just not bother with defence and then they can't be your weakest point.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
I think depending on the opponent should dictate who plays.
For example, I'd like to see Rashford and/or Sterling against Croatia with Kane lying deep.
In other games or maybe as change up, I think Grealish/Foden can definitely start and IMO Bellingham can easy start as the most advanced midfield player in a 4-3-3
For example, I'd like to see Rashford and/or Sterling against Croatia with Kane lying deep.
In other games or maybe as change up, I think Grealish/Foden can definitely start and IMO Bellingham can easy start as the most advanced midfield player in a 4-3-3
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Foden and Grealish are the best two English footballers in a generation or two. If jack ever learns to stop cheating and stay upright, he’d be even better.
Absolutely no reason whatsoever why these two couldn’t play together and make England a real force. Build the team around their strengths, and let them express themselves. England could be world beaters... we have some seriously mismanaged talent.
Absolutely no reason whatsoever why these two couldn’t play together and make England a real force. Build the team around their strengths, and let them express themselves. England could be world beaters... we have some seriously mismanaged talent.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
Kane,Sterling,Foden,Grealish all have to play for me, they’re proper winners as well as our best footballers.
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Re: Phil Foden and Jack Grealish
I would be very surprised if Grealish starts for England at the Euros.
Rashford, Sterling, Foden, Sancho, Mount are probably all ahead of him in Southgates pecking order.
Rashford, Sterling, Foden, Sancho, Mount are probably all ahead of him in Southgates pecking order.
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England starting X1 for the next 3 years here for me
Pope
James Stones Cody Chilwell
Bellingham Rice
Foden
Mount Grealish
Kane
Bellingham and Foden with their ages and a lot of other factors (inc. Foden being under Pep) I think these two can be the worlds best in their positions.... yes Mbappe/Haarland are the strikers but them two will be the most sought after midfielders for the next 15 years
Pope
James Stones Cody Chilwell
Bellingham Rice
Foden
Mount Grealish
Kane
Bellingham and Foden with their ages and a lot of other factors (inc. Foden being under Pep) I think these two can be the worlds best in their positions.... yes Mbappe/Haarland are the strikers but them two will be the most sought after midfielders for the next 15 years
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Agree with front 6 but the back 5 is really questionableGavlarClaret wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:31 pmEngland starting X1 for the next 3 years here for me
Pope
James Stones Cody Chilwell
Bellingham Rice
Foden
Mount Grealish
Kane
Bellingham and Foden with their ages and a lot of other factors (inc. Foden being under Pep) I think these two can be the worlds best in their positions.... yes Mbappe/Haarland are the strikers but them two will be the most sought after midfielders for the next 15 years
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Woah Woah Woah Woah Woah.
Jack Grealish is one of the two best footballers in a generation or two?
He’s not even in the top two in this generation. Not even top 5.
Grealish is 26 this year. Has 5 England caps. Less than 100 Premier League games and never played in Europe. He’s not got 20 top flight goals in his whole career.
We really need to steady the hype train. Getting silly now.
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I would agree its questionable NC.... my logic was that I think Maguire is well overrated and was a toss up between both chilwell/Shaw and TAA/James on the right.......Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:34 pmAgree with front 6 but the back 5 is really questionable
what would your back 5 be?