• Phil Foden and Jack Grealish

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:37 am**

Both class acts but is there room for both of them in England's starting 11?

And what about 17 year old Jude Bellingham who is highly rated and who some have said is a special talent?

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:55 am**

not under Southgate, he prefers the likes of Dier

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:55 am**

nearly forgot, Southgate out

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:57 am**

Was going to post similar........Foden is unstoppable at the moment & will only get better.
Foden and Grealish should be the first names on the team sheet. They could create havoc!

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:13 am**

Foden starts.
Grealish his sub.

Both won't work in same team.
Both play their best in the same position.

Forget Grealish behind the 11 also as we know the 11 will be Kane and his strengths and what he needs.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:23 am**

Grealish on the left, Foden on the right - Henderson/Rice holding midfielder, Mount and Bellingham as a central 2 in front of Henderson or Rice.
Easy!!!

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:40 am**

Don't forget that Gareth likes to play at least 2 holding midfielders and 3 right backs. You need to slot them in around those.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:07 am**

To my mind Foden is a level, or even two, above Grealish.

He’s got experience of playing in the Champions League, he’s more versatile, more of a team player and is doing it at a younger age.

Grealish has fantastic talent but it feels like you need a ball just for him at times. I’d likely have him as an option off the bench.

Foden and Bellingham are sensational for their age.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:02 am**

If Happy Jack learnt to pass the ball,instead of beating every opponent he'd be a star and also stopping diving would help.
Its the usual media hype round Foden and Bellingham. I remember when Sterling was the best thing since sliced bread, now slagged off by commentators.
Personally, I would play Sterling before any of them ,he is a class act .But we are talking about Muppet Southgate a man who couldn't manage a pub side.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:13 am**

I've not seen England have so many quality attacking players at the same time, since I started watching England in 1990. It's the defence that worries me. Slabhead and Stones have a mistake in them every game.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:19 am**

We should play em all
Pope

Sancho Foden Rice Henderson Bellingham Grealish Sterling
Kane Calvert-Lewin Ings

Just not bother with defence and then they can't be your weakest point.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:20 am**

Both very good players but not sure would work in same team. One looks like a chav and the other looks and behaves like a pr*ck. On balance Foden is probably less annoying to watch and more likely to be a better representative off the pitch. Grealish is more of a flair player but Foden is more of a team player. Foden is probably suited to more England games.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:45 am**

Pretty sure Southgate will line up with the below:

Pickford
Walker, stones, Maguire, Chillwell
Rice, Henderson
Foden, Mount, Sterling
Kane

This is just going of the fact he knows his starting eleven for the first game apparently and has clearly talked about the strengths of each of the above players

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:03 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:45 am
Pretty sure Southgate will line up with the below:

Pickford
Walker, stones, Maguire, Chillwell
Rice, Henderson
Foden, Mount, Sterling
Kane

This is just going of the fact he knows his starting eleven for the first game apparently and has clearly talked about the strengths of each of the above players

You’re probably right there. The problem is that Sterling and Foden don’t/won’t get close to matching their impact at club level because they’re not surrounded by the same class of player.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:10 am**

I’d play Foden in the pocket behind Kane and Grealish out wide like he does for Aston Villa.

They’re vastly different players. The more players that can win a game in a single moment the better. Kane, Grealish and Foden have that ability. I’d also find a spot for Ward-Prowse. Set pieces are crucial and he has the ability to hurt the opposition every single time.

Personally

GK???
Walker
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson
Rice/Ward-Prowse
Sterling
Foden
Grealish
Kane.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:23 am**

It's going to end up with a new Gerrard/Lampard/Scholes conundrum and I wouldn't be surprised to see yet another England manager fail to resolve an issue like this.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:38 am**

I'm getting wound up just thinking how incompetent Southgate is.

We have a great chance to win it with the players we have but if Dier and Henderson get in we are just a poor team with what ifs.

We have unbelievable pace up front and players so confident on the ball in Foden and Grealish. Rice has improved massively this season and Kane has added assists.

The only worry is Sterling is way out of form and could be burnt out if they get to the champions league final.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:12 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:45 am
Pretty sure Southgate will line up with the below:

Pickford
Walker, stones, Maguire, Chillwell
Rice, Henderson
Foden, Mount, Sterling
Kane

This is just going of the fact he knows his starting eleven for the first game apparently and has clearly talked about the strengths of each of the above players

This one of Newcastle's looks pretty accurate - but to me looks like 6 defenders and 4 forwards. Leaves Mount (and maybe Henderson) to do all the creative midfield work as they're the only ones capable of doing it in that line-up. Need to find space for Grealish somewhere.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:14 am**

Foden is just getting better and better - a real talent

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:15 am**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:38 am
I'm getting wound up just thinking how incompetent Southgate is.

We have a great chance to win it with the players we have but if Dier and Henderson get in we are just a poor team with what ifs.

We have unbelievable pace up front and players so confident on the ball in Foden and Grealish. Rice has improved massively this season and Kane has added assists.

The only worry is Sterling is way out of form and could be burnt out if they get to the champions league final.

Henderson? He's a top player and walks straight into England's starting 11. Certainly much better than the likes of Phillips.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:20 am**

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:20 am
Both very good players but not sure would work in same team. One looks like a chav and the other looks and behaves like a pr*ck. On balance Foden is probably less annoying to watch and more likely to be a better representative off the pitch. Grealish is more of a flair player but Foden is more of a team player. Foden is probably suited to more England games.

Hard to distinguish which is the chav and which is the prlck from that post

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:49 am**

EricaJacko wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:15 am
Henderson? He's a top player and walks straight into England's starting 11. Certainly much better than the likes of Phillips.

Did you see the video made of Hendersons passing in the world cup semi final against Croatia?

It was woeful and a big reason why we lost from being 1-0 up. Modric just ran the show.

Now if you put him in a midfield 3 with Foden and Grealish by his sides he might be good enough. 5 yard passes to better players and defensive duties. Rice is ahead of him for that position at the minute but I can understand Henderson being there. In a defensive two, no thanks.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:51 am**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:14 am
Foden is just getting better and better - a real talent

I've said it for a long time now.

Barring injuries.
He will be England's best ever player. All the talent in the world and a technical coach to keep improving him.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:11 am**

Edit wrong thread

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:15 am**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:14 am
Foden is just getting better and better - a real talent

In the top 3 players I ever saw when I was scouting, along with Mason Greenwood and Zidane Iqbal (just signed first pro contract at Man United)

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:22 am**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:49 am
Did you see the video made of Hendersons passing in the world cup semi final against Croatia?

It was woeful and a big reason why we lost from being 1-0 up. Modric just ran the show.

Now if you put him in a midfield 3 with Foden and Grealish by his sides he might be good enough. 5 yard passes to better players and defensive duties. Rice is ahead of him for that position at the minute but I can understand Henderson being there. In a defensive two, no thanks.

He just had a poor game. Overall in that World Cup he was one of our best players.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:27 am**

He’s been used well by Guardiola.

It was pretty clear two years ago that he was good enough.
He’s been used pretty sparingly on the whole and hasn’t been rushed.

Bit easier for a manager to do that when he’s got Silva and De Bruyne etc mind.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:27 am**

EricaJacko wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:22 am
He just had a poor game. Overall in that World Cup he was one of our best players.

We probably just look for different things in players. It's good to have differing opinions.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:31 am**

I usually have a healthy dose of cynicism when it comes to the next English wunderkind, players like Wilshere and Walcott were heavily hyped but I never saw what the fuss was about. However, to me, Foden genuinely looks like one of the most promising footballers I've seen in a long time, the ball sticks to him like glue. If he keeps his focus on playing footy and leads a sensible lifestyle he could turn into something very special.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:35 am**

Foden isn't alone either. I think Greenwood could become a top-top-top (Merson style) player if he keeps his head down.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:03 pm**

You’ve started a thread on the wrong forum here.

90% of posters will just tell you they won’t be bothering to watch any of the games and how England bore them to death.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:42 pm**

We have the players to play multiple systems depending on opposition. It just worries me that Southgate will go ultra conservative. The best form of defence is attack, if we fall on our sword playing Grealish Mount and Foden, then so be it, but I'd rather we have a go than limp out again.

In theory against the lesser teams we could go 4-3-3 with Grealish and Foden in the 3

Or they could both play in a 4 -2 -3 -1 or 4-5-1 with Kane as the front man.

Rashford and Sterling are both good on their day, but very hit and miss at international level

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:51 pm**

Ric_C wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:42 pm
We have the players to play multiple systems depending on opposition. It just worries me that Southgate will go ultra conservative. The best form of defence is attack, if we fall on our sword playing Grealish Mount and Foden, then so be it, but I'd rather we have a go than limp out again.

In theory against the lesser teams we could go 4-3-3 with Grealish and Foden in the 3

Or they could both play in a 4 -2 -3 -1 or 4-5-1 with Kane as the front man.

Rashford and Sterling are both good on their day, but very hit and miss at international level

Or a good old English 4-4-2 - they won't know what's hit 'em

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:38 pm**

djemba-djemba wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:03 pm
90% of posters will just tell you they won’t be bothering to watch any of the games and how England bore them to death.

That's the England match threads that get started, where people go on to a match thread to say they have no interest in the match.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:44 pm**

djemba-djemba wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:03 pm
You’ve started a thread on the wrong forum here.

90% of posters will just tell you they won’t be bothering to watch any of the games and how England bore them to death.
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The England match day thread are a great way to find out who
S opinions about Burnley are worth thinking about.

Most posters whinge about some kind of entitlement that West Ham/Leeds fans have yet turn into exactly the same when anything England related.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:15 pm**

Dinks wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:20 am
Hard to distinguish which is the chav and which is the prlck from that post

Foden looks like he should be wandering the streets in a dirty shell suit committing petty crime and with a Staffie or Rottweiler attached. Maybe he would be if he wasn’t a footballer.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:19 pm**

Dyched wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:10 am
I’d play Foden in the pocket behind Kane and Grealish out wide like he does for Aston Villa.

They’re vastly different players. The more players that can win a game in a single moment the better. Kane, Grealish and Foden have that ability. I’d also find a spot for Ward-Prowse. Set pieces are crucial and he has the ability to hurt the opposition every single time.

Personally

GK???
Walker
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson
Rice/Ward-Prowse
Sterling
Foden
Grealish
Kane.

Walker is a big-game red card just waiting to happen.......strong and fast, but loses his head.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:26 pm**

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:19 am
We should play em all
Pope

Sancho Foden Rice Henderson Bellingham Grealish Sterling
Kane Calvert-Lewin Ings

Just not bother with defence and then they can't be your weakest point.

I like your style, Oscar!

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:38 pm**

I think depending on the opponent should dictate who plays.

For example, I'd like to see Rashford and/or Sterling against Croatia with Kane lying deep.

In other games or maybe as change up, I think Grealish/Foden can definitely start and IMO Bellingham can easy start as the most advanced midfield player in a 4-3-3

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:04 pm**

Foden and Grealish are the best two English footballers in a generation or two. If jack ever learns to stop cheating and stay upright, he’d be even better.

Absolutely no reason whatsoever why these two couldn’t play together and make England a real force. Build the team around their strengths, and let them express themselves. England could be world beaters... we have some seriously mismanaged talent.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:20 pm**

Kane,Sterling,Foden,Grealish all have to play for me, they’re proper winners as well as our best footballers.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:24 pm**

I would be very surprised if Grealish starts for England at the Euros.

Rashford, Sterling, Foden, Sancho, Mount are probably all ahead of him in Southgates pecking order.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:31 pm**

England starting X1 for the next 3 years here for me

Pope
James Stones Cody Chilwell
Bellingham Rice
Foden
Mount Grealish
Kane

Bellingham and Foden with their ages and a lot of other factors (inc. Foden being under Pep) I think these two can be the worlds best in their positions.... yes Mbappe/Haarland are the strikers but them two will be the most sought after midfielders for the next 15 years

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:34 pm**

GavlarClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:31 pm
England starting X1 for the next 3 years here for me

Pope
James Stones Cody Chilwell
Bellingham Rice
Foden
Mount Grealish
Kane

Bellingham and Foden with their ages and a lot of other factors (inc. Foden being under Pep) I think these two can be the worlds best in their positions.... yes Mbappe/Haarland are the strikers but them two will be the most sought after midfielders for the next 15 years

Agree with front 6 but the back 5 is really questionable

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:27 am**

bobinho wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:04 pm
Foden and Grealish are the best two English footballers in a generation or two. If jack ever learns to stop cheating and stay upright, he’d be even better.

Woah Woah Woah Woah Woah.

Jack Grealish is one of the two best footballers in a generation or two?

He’s not even in the top two in this generation. Not even top 5.

Grealish is 26 this year. Has 5 England caps. Less than 100 Premier League games and never played in Europe. He’s not got 20 top flight goals in his whole career.

We really need to steady the hype train. Getting silly now.

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:37 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:34 pm
Agree with front 6 but the back 5 is really questionable

I would agree its questionable NC.... my logic was that I think Maguire is well overrated and was a toss up between both chilwell/Shaw and TAA/James on the right.......

what would your back 5 be?

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