Boris Johnson doesn't want booing at the final

[Pstotto]

"We don't want fans to be booing teams," said the spokesman. "We want fans to be showing support and being respectful."

https://youtu.be/o8cyB50XkQs

[Chester Perry]

I agree with the sentiment but he should not put an England shirt on over his formal shirt and tie

[Pstotto]

OK then.

Anything else?

[Cubanclaret]

Seemed like Denmark’s anthem was respected a lot more than the German anthem was before the Germany game, at least. But it’s a bit rich coming from someone who is as brazenly racist as johnson. He hates football too.
It was good to hear Gary Neville call out his atrocious leadership at the end of the game in comparison to Gareth Southgate’s management of England. Nice touch.

[KRBFC]

How this joker is running the country I'll never know but I shouldn't be surprised given how brainwashed our country is. As for the booing, It's a little bizarre we boo other national anthems, I have no idea why.

[tiger76]

How this joker is running the country I'll never know but I shouldn't be surprised given how brainwashed our country is. As for the booing, It's a little bizarre we boo other national anthems, I have no idea why.

I'll offer no comment on politics as that's now a banned topic on this forum, however why the England fans think it's clever to boo the opposing teams national anthem I have no idea, it's infantile behaviour in the extreme, and it certainly doesn't impress me whatsoever.

[yTib]

it's a given that fans should show respect during national anthems.

johnson is just doing what he usually does - the frothy stuff.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Italy’s national anthem is worth the entrance fee alone. Incredible passion, pride and energy.

I have Italian friends. And love the place.

But I will be booing it loud and proud with thousands of others pre match. It’s part of the pantomime.

[Pstotto]

I have to admit doing the Berryman Clap when Leeds United came to the Turf in 1973.

You use the forefinger and middle finger of your left hand and together pat the palm of the right.

[Pstotto]

And sing " Doe a Deer an Alan Clarke, Ray a drop of Bremner sweat, far away as far as I can get, La rim-rim-La-rim-rim-ah."

Actually not...

[Hozz]

As obscure a reply as ever Pstotto.

Please, for the un-enlightened amongst us, explain the Berryman clap?

[Pstotto]

Headmaster taking music or else.

[tim_noone]

As obscure a reply as ever Pstotto.

Please, for the un-enlightened amongst us, explain the Berryman clap?

Tbf pstotto always takes you on a journey of enlightenment that you wouldn't normally take...

[Bosscat]

Berryman clap?

You can get a cream for that

[JohnDearyMe]

Do fans of any other countries boo the anthems of their opponents? I've never heard it.

You must be a real oddball and/or inadequate individual to do it.

[Burnley1989]

I probably wouldn’t boo but not because I don’t feel it’s right, more because I feel like a tit making that noise

[Burnley1989]

Tbf pstotto always takes you on a journey of enlightenment that you wouldn't normally take...

My favourite poster, he’s crackers

[Pstotto]

If there is something to say about the Denmark match:

https://youtu.be/XOmN3jXL5OU

[ten bellies]

If there is something to say about the Denmark match:

https://youtu.be/XOmN3jXL5OU

The B side is better, just not in context. Then again I don't think context has ever concerned you.

[boatshed bill]

Booing national anthems is about as crass as it gets,
though nothing about this country surprises me these days.

[Rileybobs]

You just know the same morons who boo other national anthems will be the same ones who would get their knickers in a twist if another nation’s fans booed God Save the Queen.

[martin_p]

I don’t get this sudden shock at booing in football. The obviously racist stuff aside it’s all part of the pantomime of football where the opposition are the enemy for 90 minutes. I suspect that the majority who are getting their knickers in a twist have never set foot in a ground or ever really supported a team. At this rate the atmosphere at football grounds will be reduced to respectful clapping for whatever happens on the pitch.

[Pstotto]

I wish I were middle class like you, Martin.

[Pstotto]

I'm not clever enough and never shall be.

[Pstotto]

I'm artistic, it's more the Jewish side of the family.

[tarkys_ears]

...it's called "home advantage"

[yTib]

I don’t get this sudden shock at booing in football. The obviously racist stuff aside it’s all part of the pantomime of football where the opposition are the enemy for 90 minutes. I suspect that the majority who are getting their knickers in a twist have never set foot in a ground or ever really supported a team. At this rate the atmosphere at football grounds will be reduced to respectful clapping for whatever happens on the pitch.

i think you'll find there's no shock or twisted knickers.

just an endorsement of basic manners.

and nobody is saying no booing in football, just at another country's national anthem.

i say by all means boo when those sneaky italians start rolling about in agony

[Pstotto]

Whenever I have to fill in one of those forms I say I'm mixed race... Half crazy.

Equal hatred and respect as that, is the full expectation of the world watching and who can boo and whistle the most is an imperative.

[martin_p]

i think you'll find there's no shock or twisted knickers.

just an endorsement of basic manners.

and nobody is saying no booing in football, just at another country's national anthem.

i say by all means boo when those sneaky italians start rolling about in agony

It’s a piece of music, that’s all. And since when did ‘basic manners’ have anything to do with supporting a football team? Surely part of the ‘job’ of a supporter is to create an uncomfortable atmosphere for the opposition?

[yTib]

i think i was pretty concise martin.

i don't think you'll get it so i won't bother trying.

[Pstotto]

It's not just theatre of war, in some cases it really is war and for good reason.

[cricketfieldclarets]

I don’t get this sudden shock at booing in football. The obviously racist stuff aside it’s all part of the pantomime of football where the opposition are the enemy for 90 minutes. I suspect that the majority who are getting their knickers in a twist have never set foot in a ground or ever really supported a team. At this rate the atmosphere at football grounds will be reduced to respectful clapping for whatever happens on the pitch.

Spot on. For 90 minutes it’s about doing everything within reason to make it as hostile and unwelcome as possible for the opposition. Especially in a game of this magnitude.

But it’s also part of the entertainment. Pantomime as we both said.

Before and after the game will have a beer and craic with any of the opposition.

[martin_p]

i think i was pretty concise martin.

i don't think you'll get it so i won't bother trying.

Well if your only argument is ‘good manners’ you’re right I don’t get it. Why’s it any different, for example, to booing while the opposition teams names are being read out?

[Rileybobs]

It’s a piece of music, that’s all. And since when did ‘basic manners’ have anything to do with supporting a football team? Surely part of the ‘job’ of a supporter is to create an uncomfortable atmosphere for the opposition?

It’s a piece of music that often represents the history of a country and may make reference to the proud historic events of the country and its people. I just find it really distasteful and disrespectful to boo as the players are given their a short period of time to bask in the pride of representing their nation.

And I don’t think this gives any kind of competitive edge to the booing nation. I’ve seen a few perplexed reactions from opposition players when their anthem is being booed, and it looks like they’re thinking ‘what a bunch of pricks’. If anything I suspect it will give them more motivation to beat us.

[martin_p]

It’s a piece of music that often represents the history of a country and may make reference to the proud historic events of the country and its people.

One nations proud history is often another nations defeat, repression or suffering. Do you support England fans singing ‘two world wars and one world cup’ and the media’s constant war references when playing the Germans? It’s all part of our proud history.

[yTib]

yeah really proud.

[Boss Hogg]

Not keen on the booing of national anthems but nothing wrong with booing opposing players. Some seemed to get upset over the booing of German players. It happens week week out in the Premier League.

[Pstotto]

Glad yTib has finally come out as an England hooligan c***.

[yTib]

Glad yTib has finally come out as an England hooligan c***.

it was surely never in doubt.

[martin_p]

yeah really proud.

You don’t think defeating nazism is something to have pride in?

But anyway, my point was in reply to the notion that we should respect other countries anthems because they reflect their proud history. That’s often a morally debatable history and you need look no further than our own anthem for that.

[martin_p]

Not keen on the booing of national anthems but nothing wrong with booing opposing players. Some seemed to get upset over the booing of German players. It happens week week out in the Premier League.

But what’s the difference between booing a piece of music representing a nation and footballers representing a nation?

[yTib]

nazism? give yer head a wobble son.

you yourself admitted there is a line to be drawn. your example is racism. well i draw the line at xenophobia. your arbitrary limit is valid but mine isn't?

a national anthem has nothing to do with football. it is about identity. it should certainly not be part of your pantomime.

if you can't see this what can you see?

[dermotdermot]

i think you'll find there's no shock or twisted knickers.

just an endorsement of basic manners.

and nobody is saying no booing in football, just at another country's national anthem.

i say by all means boo when those sneaky italians start rolling about in agony

[Pstotto]

They are both agents of the enemy, however footballers can hear the booing whereas the music cannot.

[Rileybobs]

One nations proud history is often another nations defeat, repression or suffering. Do you support England fans singing ‘two world wars and one world cup’ and the media’s constant war references when playing the Germans? It’s all part of our proud history.

Of course I don't support England fans singing songs like that, and references to war are obviously distasteful. I don't care a jot for our national anthem, but if a stadium full of people were to boo it when it was played I would see that as an act of disrespect against the country. It wouldn't upset or offend me, but I'd think that the people who were booing it were morons. Which is what other nationalities seem to think of our booing fans from what I've read across social media. I don't care about other people looking moronic, but unfortunately I'm tarred by the same brush through association.

You've got to ask yourself why we seem to be the only country whose fans do this.

[dermotdermot]

i think you'll find there's no shock or twisted knickers.

just an endorsement of basic manners.

and nobody is saying no booing in football, just at another country's national anthem.

i say by all means boo when those sneaky italians start rolling about in agony

That’s rich considering the fact that England now have three of the world’s most accomplished divers in Kane, Sterling and Grealish.

[yTib]

yeah dermot the emoji was obviously meant to signify my tongue in my cheek.

i'm sorry it was above your head

[dermotdermot]

How this joker is running the country I'll never know but I shouldn't be surprised given how brainwashed our country is. As for the booing, It's a little bizarre we boo other national anthems, I have no idea why.

Why? Because English people are basically thick and artless. Apart from me, that is.

[elwaclaret]

I too find it a little embarrassing, childish and disrespectful. For all those speaking of conquest, there are others that celebrate their nations liberation. For some nations the anthem is as important to them as Old Glory is to an American. Give it to the players, the staff and the fans but the nation?

Very unenlightened

[martin_p]

nazism? give yer head a wobble son.

you yourself admitted there is a line to be drawn. your example is racism. well i draw the line at xenophobia. your arbitrary limit is valid but mine isn't?

a national anthem has nothing to do with football. it is about identity. it should certainly not be part of your pantomime.

if you can't see this what can you see?

You do know it’s possible to boo something without hating it don’t you? As I said, it’s a pantomime. I’ll boo opposition players and the ref at matches but it doesn’t mean I hate them.