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One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:59 pm

Is our crossing.

It has been for a while and it's multiple players who are at fault for it.

The amount of over hit crosses is not funny.

Crossing practice next week Sean, please.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:00 pm

Lack of signings
Shite tactics
Wrong subs
No plan B C D
Same game different team.


Same as the last 3 years at least.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:04 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:00 pm
Lack of signings
Shite tactics
Wrong subs
No plan B C D
Same game different team.


Same as the last 3 years at least.

Plenty of threads to go at for that :geek:

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:25 pm

Your not wrong, Stan.
Bet Woody'd love a Tripps or Wade putting some sweet ones over.
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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by tiger76 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:37 pm

What killed us today was our spurning of 2 glorious opportunities when we were well on top in the 1st half, if either of those by JBG or Mee goes in the back of the net, we probably go on to win comfortably.

You have got a valid point regarding our crossing though, and given we've got arguably one of the best headers in the PL in Wood, it shouldn't be that difficult for players operating at this level to deliver some decent service into the box, instead of constantly picking out the Brighton keeper, or simply overhitting them altogether, the latter in particular is unforgivable for a PL team.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:38 pm

Negative tactics killed out. Then brownhill came on for Dwight to take the pi$$ out of everyone who had paid to watch.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:22 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:59 pm
Is our crossing.

It has been for a while and it's multiple players who are at fault for it.

The amount of over hit crosses is not funny.

Crossing practice next week Sean, please.
Fair point Bin, its constantly problematic.
Might not sound like a big deal but it is. Numerous squandered chances because players overhit the ******* ball.
All the build up play wasted due to experienced footballers being unable to measure the flight of the ball properly.
Its perhaps excusable if under pressure , or running flat out to get to a ball, but not the number of times we do it badly. We are fairly hopeless at throw in's too.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by kentonclaret » Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:28 pm

We couldn't score goals last season and having made no signings in forward areas couldn't put the chances away this afternoon.

What's new?
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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:30 pm

Shows how far behind we are when we are trying (and failing) to produce the same kind of tactic so brilliantly displayed by Stanley Matthews 60 + years ago. :D
How about a few short accurate passes in and around the opposition penalty area, and some intelligent hold up play?

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by NewClaret » Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:41 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:37 pm
What killed us today was our spurning of 2 glorious opportunities when we were well on top in the 1st half, if either of those by JBG or Mee goes in the back of the net, we probably go on to win comfortably.

You have got a valid point regarding our crossing though, and given we've got arguably one of the best headers in the PL in Wood, it shouldn't be that difficult for players operating at this level to deliver some decent service into the box, instead of constantly picking out the Brighton keeper, or simply overhitting them altogether, the latter in particular is unforgivable for a PL team.
Have watched the highlights now and the Mee header was a sitter by his standards. JBG did well with his shot but scoring from that distance was unlikely. It’s the Mee one that’s the hardest to take.

Agree on your crossing point. Unforgivable and so frustrating to overhit crosses.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Targetman » Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:37 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:00 pm
Lack of signings
Shite tactics
Wrong subs
No plan B C D
Same game different team.


Same as the last 3 years at least.
Why not send Dyche an email and tell him how to rectify those apparent faults in his management.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by minnieclaret » Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:40 pm

As a winger I scored plenty of goals being in position for the overhit cross. When it happens so frequently why don’t we have our opposite wide man staying wide to return it first time whilst their defence is at 6s & 7s.
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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by bf2k » Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:23 am

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:25 pm
Bet Woody'd love a Tripps or Wade putting some sweet ones over.
This got mentioned by the guys say behind me today.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:27 am

we are so adverse to tactical change it's ridiculous. We were crying out for an extra man in midfield in the second half to wrestle some sort of control back. I would have brought Brownhill and Vydra for Wood and Jay and gone 4-51 with Brownhill pushing on

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:49 am

minnieclaret wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:40 pm
As a winger I scored plenty of goals being in position for the overhit cross. When it happens so frequently why don’t we have our opposite wide man staying wide to return it first time whilst their defence is at 6s & 7s.
spot on.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by diamondpocket » Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:45 am

Targetman wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:37 pm
Why not send Dyche an email and tell him how to rectify those apparent faults in his management.
He has been here long enough to think up some other plans but clearly doesn't want to and out trust in it.
But after many years, I'm sure he's had time to work on other systems & formations to change things every now & then to react to situations in a game.
I'm guessing that is too much to ask. Gotta keep with the same old, same old obviously.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Shaggy » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:07 am

There’s a few things letting us down, the squad strength is poor and is well into a slide as the same players age.

We have no pace, the amount of times the opposition score or threaten us from a breakaway when we get a corner is beyond concerning also.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by RVclaret » Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:26 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:37 pm
What killed us today was our spurning of 2 glorious opportunities when we were well on top in the 1st half, if either of those by JBG or Mee goes in the back of the net, we probably go on to win comfortably.

You have got a valid point regarding our crossing though, and given we've got arguably one of the best headers in the PL in Wood, it shouldn't be that difficult for players operating at this level to deliver some decent service into the box, instead of constantly picking out the Brighton keeper, or simply overhitting them altogether, the latter in particular is unforgivable for a PL team.
How was JBG’s a ‘glorious chance’? A 25 yard strike? People talk about all the chances we missed but two of them, including our goal, came from set pieces and JBG’s was a long range shot.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:28 am

Targetman wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:37 pm
Why not send Dyche an email and tell him how to rectify those apparent faults in his management.
Give me 3.5m a year and I will do. I’m a fan, I praise and criticise in equal measure. Putting vydra on instead of Barnes or brownhill on instead of wood or jay to give us an extra man in an ageing midfield would have been a start yesterday, and certainly don’t take off your most creative player when chasing a game!

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Top Claret » Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:03 am

How you can take McNeil off for Brownhill is ridiculous unless he is injured.

Although I doubt if we had have changed things tactically we would have done much better as bar Vydra we just didn't have any quality on the bench

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Stayingup » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:10 am

Maybe the crosses yesterday were affected by the fact they had two very big guys at the back and a tall keeper.

As for the subs clearly SD doesn't fancy Vydra and what choices has he got to affect the game? Very little. Their goals were the biggest disappointment for me. Same moves twice.
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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Targetman » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:19 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:28 am
Give me 3.5m a year and I will do. I’m a fan, I praise and criticise in equal measure. Putting vydra on instead of Barnes or brownhill on instead of wood or jay to give us an extra man in an ageing midfield would have been a start yesterday, and certainly don’t take off your most creative player when chasing a game!

If you had the ability to run a Premier League team, keep that team in the Premier League for several years, qualify for European competition then you too would be earning 3.5m a year.

It's easy to join a message board and shout out that people should be doing this or that.
Look at me! Look at me! I know much more about football tactics than Sean Dyche. 😂

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:50 am

Targetman wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:19 am
If you had the ability to run a Premier League team, keep that team in the Premier League for several years, qualify for European competition then you too would be earning 3.5m a year.

It's easy to join a message board and shout out that people should be doing this or that.
Look at me! Look at me! I know much more about football tactics than Sean Dyche. 😂
Does doing all of the above make you immune to criticism? Do I claim to know more about tactics than Sean Dyche? If that is all you have got after several good points made about yesterday’s result (and many more before it), then there isn’t much point engaging further with you. You must be pleased with turning up watching the same game over and over again.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:55 am

I have said it for a long time. Our biggest problem at this level is our passing from CM. Our wide players can’t get in good crosses because they are always receiving the ball in no space.

In our best season Defour and cork were spraying the ball about with real tempo stretching the opposition players. This allowed space and time for Brady, Gudmundsson to find a good cross.

Look at Dwight yesterday, practically every time he got the ball in a wide position there were at least two people pressing him about 30 yards out from the by line.

Signing a CM for me is almost as critical RM.
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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by DCWat » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:00 am

Bissouma, despite his moaning stood out for me, yesterday. He’s obviously being linked to fairly big money moves now, but he was brought in for a similar sort of price to what we are rumoured to have bid for Cornet. Not silly money in the grand scheme of things.

It’s easy to say, let’s find someone like that, but it’s exactly what I hope we are looking for.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:02 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:50 am
Does doing all of the above make you immune to criticism? Do I claim to know more about tactics than Sean Dyche? If that is all you have got after several good points made about yesterday’s result (and many more before it), then there isn’t much point engaging further with you. You must be pleased with turning up watching the same game over and over again.
Even if some of us could do a better job than SD it could never be proven because we will never get the opportunity to manage a professional football club so it’s impossible to say if we could or couldn’t.
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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:02 am

We need someone who can find that slide rule pass... a Defour, Elliott, Blake, Dobson et al

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by ClaretMov » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:04 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:00 pm
Lack of signings
Shite tactics
Wrong subs
No plan B C D
Same game different team.


Same as the last 3 years at least.

Spot on with every single word......but don't worry the claret tinted glasses wearing fans amongst us on here say all is well and stop bed wetting the transfer window doesn't close for a few weeks yet and all will be well :roll: let's see if they are still singing the same song come the end of the season
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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:05 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:02 am
Even if some of us could do a better job than SD it could never be proven because we will never get the opportunity to manage a professional football club so it’s impossible to say if we could or couldn’t.
Yeah... if only.

:lol:

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by taio » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:06 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:02 am
Even if some of us could do a better job than SD it could never be proven because we will never get the opportunity to manage a professional football club so it’s impossible to say if we could or couldn’t.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by ClaretMov » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:07 am

Targetman wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:37 pm
Why not send Dyche an email and tell him how to rectify those apparent faults in his management.
What a stupid reply :oops:

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:08 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:05 am
Yeah... if only.

:lol:
It can never be proven 100% because the opportunity will never be afforded, it’s possible that some of us could, being an ex player doesn’t give you that exclusive right.

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Post by fidelcastro » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:10 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:08 am
It can never be proven 100% because the opportunity will never be afforded, it’s possible than some of us could, being an ex player doesn’t give you that exclusive right.
I've read some crap on this forum ( not least from you) but that one is the absolute mother of all posts! :lol:
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Post by DCWat » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:11 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:08 am
It can never be proven 100% because the opportunity will never be afforded, it’s possible that some of us could, being an ex player doesn’t give you that exclusive right.
Can just imagine the respect that players would afford a manager with zero experience of football, outside of having a season ticket and playing badly, half drunk on a Sunday morning.
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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:11 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:10 am
I've read some crap on this forum ( not least from you) but that one is the absolute mother of all posts! :lol:
How can you 100% determine something when something will never happen, I’d love to know please share your insightful input.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by buzzclarets79 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:12 am

Stayingup wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:10 am
Maybe the crosses yesterday were affected by the fact they had two very big guys at the back and a tall keeper.
Spot on. However we keep doing it. We don’t adapt, no one sees this and thinks we need to do something different or at least try to do something different. Just keep on hitting high looping balls in.

Why not try a some low hard crosses to mix it up.

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Post by taio » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:13 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:10 am
I've read some crap on this forum ( not least from you) but that one is the absolute mother of all posts! :lol:
It's probably the most pointless post in UTC history :lol:
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Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:14 am

DCWat wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:11 am
Can just imagine the respect that players would afford a manager with zero experience of football, outside of having a season ticket and playing badly, half drunk on a Sunday morning.
That’s 1 hell of an assumption.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:14 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:11 am
How can you 100% determine something when something will never happen, I’d love to know please share your insightful input.
There’s already a reason that the something you mention won't happen.

I wonder what it could be? Answers on a postcard.

:lol:

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Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:20 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:14 am
There’s already a reason that the something you mention won't happen.

I wonder what it could be? Answers on a postcard.

:lol:
Because usually it’s an automatic career path, joe bloggs from the street isn’t plucked & given the job, joe bloggs might be able to accurately predict more correct results on an accumulator than the ex player so that must mean that joe bloggs knows more about football than the ex player or is that logic skewed by your reckoning?

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Post by warksclaret » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:24 am

We try and cross aerially from any position past the half way line, which if you have two commanding centre halves playing against you and a competent keeper, its so easy to defend. We are poor at getting players to the by line and cutting it back, rather than crossing high. Brighton by contrast got both goals this way

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Post by fidelcastro » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:24 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:20 am
Because usually it’s an automatic career path, joe bloggs from the street isn’t plucked & given the job, joe bloggs might be able to accurately predict more correct results on an accumulator than the ex player so that must mean that joe bloggs knows more about football than the ex player or is that logic skewed by your reckoning?
I think it's more that joe bloggs isn't qualified and wouldn't have the first idea how to coach professional footballers, but, of course, you already knew that, right?

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:30 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:24 am
I think it's more that joe bloggs isn't qualified and wouldn't have the first idea how to coach professional footballers, but, of course, you already knew that, right?
So it wouldn’t be possible for anybody else to assemble a team & pick a formation & put some cones out onto a field & hand some bibs out & instruct a group of players to do some exercises, in principle it's exactly the same as somebody coaching an amateur football team but the stakes are a lot higher, it’s even easier because the amateur football manager wouldn’t usually have all the hired help such as individual fitness coaches & gym facilities.

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Post by fidelcastro » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:32 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:30 am
So it wouldn’t be possible for anybody else to assemble a team & pick a formation & put some cones out onto a field & hand some bibs out & instruct a group of players to do some exercises, in principle it's exactly the same as somebody coaching an amateur football team but the stakes are a lot higher, it’s even easier because the amateur football manager wouldn’t usually have all the hired help such as individual fitness coaches & gym facilities.
This is a wind-up, right?

Yeah. It must be. No one is that stupid.

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Re: One of the biggest things letting us down.....

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:29 am

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:25 pm
Your not wrong, Stan.
Bet Woody'd love a Tripps or Wade putting some sweet ones over.
I'm sure he would love Tripps' crosses especially.

But I'm not saying we don't have players who can put in brilliant crosses, it's just that it seems to have deserted us lately.

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