Burnley v Middlesbrough - U23 latest

[Taffy on the wing]

......"is this the right room for an argument"?

[taio]

I've already told you I know Richardson is an adult and that I was responding to a post stating that we don't publicise the injury status of our young players.

Maybe I am over-thinking it. To be honest I was looking for an open-minded discussion about whether the health status of footballers should be made public knowledge, although it looks like I've chosen the wrong place.

You seem to be ignoring the consent bit. Ìt's easily done. I suspect the younger players would agree to their injury status being made public on the basis it's of interest to supporters. I suspect most normal employees wouldn't consent to their health status being put on a corporate website. That's why it's a strange comparison.

[addisclaret]

......"is this the right room for an argument"?

I've told you once.

[Rileybobs]

......"is this the right room for an argument"?

Not sure if that's aimed at me. But if having a polite discussion is classed as looking for an argument then this board is going to the dogs. Laughable how such a genuine and thoughtful question has been met with such derision. What a crap place this has turned into.

[FCBurnley]

Burnley FC is in the entertainment industry. Therefore PR is vitally important. This would appear to be non existent right now. I am sure most fans would be interested in hearing as much information as possible

[Rileybobs]

You seem to be ignoring the consent bit. Ìt's easily done. I suspect the younger players would agree to their injury status being made public on the basis it's of interest to supporters. I suspect most normal employees wouldn't consent to their health status being put on a corporate website. That's why it's a strange comparison.

Maybe, I'm not sure whether they'll have such clauses in their contracts to be honest, but maybe they do. Forget the website bit if you'd prefer, I think my comparison is still valid. If you were off work for a personal health reason and a client/customer called for you and your boss told them the reason why you were off work, would you have valid grounds for complaint?

It seems like a perfectly legitimate question that I'm posing. Maybe this has nothing to do with why the club are quite vague about player's injuries from top to bottom, maybe in this 'data protection' age it is a reason why.

[ecc]

Richardson, as pointed out above, is an adult and a member of our First-Team squad.

Bloody farcical. I'm sure Dynamo Dresden fans got more injury updates on young players than Burnley fans do.

[Aclaret]

The thread title is Burnley v Middlesbrough -U23 latest score.....thanks for the updates Tony....its good to know whos injured/ cant play and what the team is, it's always been like that hasn't it ?

[boatshed bill]

Richardson, as pointed out above, is an adult and a member of our First-Team squad.

Bloody farcical. I'm sure Dynamo Dresden fans got more injury updates on young players than Burnley fans do.

Do we really need them?
I accept that we are all interested in the progress (or lack of it) in our academy/ development squads, but come on, it isn't that important.
And while we are on the subject of injuries and the information there of...
how's Dale Stephens doing?

[taio]

Maybe, I'm not sure whether they'll have such clauses in their contracts to be honest, but maybe they do. Forget the website bit if you'd prefer, I think my comparison is still valid. If you were off work for a personal health reason and a client/customer called for you and your boss told them the reason why you were off work, would you have valid grounds for complaint?

It seems like a perfectly legitimate question that I'm posing. Maybe this has nothing to do with why the club are quite vague about player's injuries from top to bottom, maybe in this 'data protection' age it is a reason why.

Not sure why it would be a contractual matter. At worst it would be a simple consent issue which would be very straightforward to address. Anyway, as indicated by others, it's a completely futile discussion. The point was it would be good for supporters to be kept informed and that is easily achievable.

[Elizabeth]

If I was off work ill for whatever reason, I wouldn’t be too keen on my company putting it on their website.

What if you pulled your hamstring and your 5 a side football work colleagues would like to know when you might be able to play again?

[Rileybobs]

What if you pulled your hamstring and your 5 a side football work colleagues would like to know when you might be able to play again?

I'd probably just tell them.

[ClaretTony]

You do have an idea because I explained why I mentioned my own work place;

'Should any employer be able to publicise the private health status of their employees?'

I think the answer to that question is no, you may disagree which is obviously fine, but there's no need to be so dismissive of my perfectly sensible question.

This may or may not be the reason why we don't get as much injury news as we used to. It's notable that we also don't get specific updates from the manager, just vagueness. I expect the club, like any other employer, knows that they have to tread carefully with such issues.

That's utter nonsense. We are asking about injury updates here and I don't think I've been dismissive of any perfectly sensible question.

[Rileybobs]

That's utter nonsense. We are asking about injury updates here and I don't think I've been dismissive of any perfectly sensible question.

Fair do's. I think the club are on thin ice putting the private health status of their employees in the public domain. Others disagree, and that's fine, but I think that probably comes from it being the norm being fed so much information. We are seeing footballers filing lawsuits on data protection grounds for supposed misuse of their data . Now this may not be something as banal as sharing information about a pulled muscle, but the risk to the player is that the information is misused, or misrepresented in a way that may be damaging for the player. Putting descriptive injury updates of players in the public domain has the potential to damage their career, I'm not sure that can be debated.

Obviously a pulled hamstring or a twisted ankle is a fairly harmless thing to mention, but underlying injuries or health conditions are far less so. Then there's mental health issues, addictions, family matters etc. So I can perfectly understand why the club may draw a line and choose not to make such announcements. You will notice that Dyche rarely ever goes into detail about a player's injury status too.

[ClaretTony]

I think the club are on thin ice putting the private health status of their employees in the public domain.

Absolute and utter nonsense. By the way Ben Mee missed last week's game having tested for positive (informed by Dyche), Charlie Taylor was injured in training (informed by Dyche) and Vydra on international duty (informed by Dyche). According to you, our club and manager must be on the thinnest of ice.

The simple fact is that clubs should give out this information to supporters. It's been reported elsewhere that Lewis Richardson is out long term, information passed out by the club but not reported by the club themselves. I can fully understand us not reporting an injury ahead of a game (such as Mee ahead of Norwich) but to not inform supporters of injuries that are keeping players out long term is very poor PR. On thin ice? Don't make me laugh.

[Rileybobs]

Absolute and utter nonsense. By the way Ben Mee missed last week's game having tested for positive (informed by Dyche), Charlie Taylor was injured in training (informed by Dyche) and Vydra on international duty (informed by Dyche). According to you, our club and manager must be on the thinnest of ice.

The simple fact is that clubs should give out this information to supporters. It's been reported elsewhere that Lewis Richardson is out long term, information passed out by the club but not reported by the club themselves. I can fully understand us not reporting an injury ahead of a game (such as Mee ahead of Norwich) but to not inform supporters of injuries that are keeping players out long term is very poor PR. On thin ice? Don't make me laugh.

I thought you weren't being dismissive?

I think you know full well that somebody's health is their own business and their employer, regardless of whether that is BFC or Burger King, do not have the right to publicise such information without said person's consent. It's a real shame that we don't seem to be able to have healthy and polite debate on here any more.

[ClaretTony]

I thought you weren't being dismissive?

I think you know full well that somebody's health is their own business and their employer, regardless of whether that is BFC or Burger King, do not have the right to publicise such information without said person's consent. It's a real shame that we don't seem to be able to have healthy and polite debate on here any more.

It's not really a debate is it? It's fairly standard practice for football clubs to release injury information about players. We do it, just like the others, but, for some reason, and I think it is the lack of media staff, ,it's not as forthcoming as it used to be with the under-23s. It's of interest to people why players such as Richardson, Harker, Mancini etc. aren't playing. Someone on here has already posted that Richardson has had surgery, and I have read that he's out long term. It's of genuine interest to people.

I'm not sure where Burger King comes into it but if you are comparing a company like that to a football club then it is a pointless debate.

[ClaretTony]

The thread title is Burnley v Middlesbrough -U23 latest score.....thanks for the updates Tony....its good to know whos injured/ cant play and what the team is, it's always been like that hasn't it ?

You're welcome, shame someone who compares us to his own work and to Burger King interrupted it.

[Burnley1989]

Riley For the club to state

Richardson - out, long term knee injury
(Haven’t a clue what it is)

Why the hell would that be such a big deal? You’re arguing such a strange point, and of course you’re not wrong but you’re also not right. All clubs do it

[Rowls]

Thanks for the positive contributions, guys.

They're only youngsters but it's good to know, as best we can, how the young Clarets are getting on.

[NewClaret]

Richardson - out, long term knee injury
(Haven’t a clue what it is)

Sounds like a cruciate? Either way, awful news for him if he’s out long term at his age. Wishing him a speedy rehab and successful return to the game.

[NewClaret]

Thanks for the positive contributions, guys.

They're only youngsters but it's good to know, as best we can, how the young Clarets are getting on.

Yes, I really appreciate the updates. Thanks.

[NewClaret]

Out of interest, does anyone know why we never seem to play our first teamers in the U23’s when they’re returning from injury? I’m pretty sure other teams do.

Just reading that Dyche wants to get some game time for Roberts but is struggling to arrange friendlies, yet we have these matches he could easily play in (and help them out at the same time)?

[ClaretTony]

Out of interest, does anyone know why we never seem to play our first teamers in the U23’s when they’re returning from injury? I’m pretty sure other teams do.

Just reading that Dyche wants to get some game time for Roberts but is struggling to arrange friendlies, yet we have these matches he could easily play in (and help them out at the same time)?

He's said he doesn't think these are the games he wants him to play in although we've done it previously with other players.

[Taffy on the wing]

Not sure if that's aimed at me. But if having a polite discussion is classed as looking for an argument then this board is going to the dogs. Laughable how such a genuine and thoughtful question has been met with such derision. What a crap place this has turned into.

Someone has lost their sense of humor ( Monty Python reference).....

[dsr]

Maybe, I'm not sure whether they'll have such clauses in their contracts to be honest, but maybe they do. Forget the website bit if you'd prefer, I think my comparison is still valid. If you were off work for a personal health reason and a client/customer called for you and your boss told them the reason why you were off work, would you have valid grounds for complaint?

It seems like a perfectly legitimate question that I'm posing. Maybe this has nothing to do with why the club are quite vague about player's injuries from top to bottom, maybe in this 'data protection' age it is a reason why.

At risk of flogging a dead horse, what does happen at your place if someone is off ill long term and a client rings up to speak to them? I would have thought telling the client he or she is off sick is the least problematic solution. What else can they say? "He is unable to speak to you and for legal reasons I cannot tell you why"?

[Rileybobs]

At risk of flogging a dead horse, what does happen at your place if someone is off ill long term and a client rings up to speak to them? I would have thought telling the client he or she is off sick is the least problematic solution. What else can they say? "He is unable to speak to you and for legal reasons I cannot tell you why"?

I would say that they are on long term leave. I wouldn’t say they are having cancer treatment, or suffering from anxiety and depression, or recovering from a broken leg.

[randomclaret2]

Highlights of the game now on YouTube

[ClaretTony]

Not sure if that's aimed at me. But if having a polite discussion is classed as looking for an argument then this board is going to the dogs. Laughable how such a genuine and thoughtful question has been met with such derision. What a crap place this has turned into.

I would say that they are on long term leave. I wouldn’t say they are having cancer treatment, or suffering from anxiety and depression, or recovering from a broken leg.

Could you imagine if Dyche was asked about Ben Mee's return and he said he wouldn't be playing because he's on long term leave.

I think you've missed the whole point Rileybobs, a footballer not being available to play is of big interest to supporters. Details of injuries are usually given out by clubs so their supporters are informed. It's always been like that at Burnley but now it seems it isn't although, as I've said previously, I do believe it is just our media (or lack of it now) who are not passing on the information.

As for making this a crap place, it wasn't met with derision until you started throwing in your own place of work and Burger King and it doesn't make this a crap place either.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Tucker looks to be developing nicely. Tony what’s your thoughts on him

[ClaretTony]

Tucker looks to be developing nicely. Tony what’s your thoughts on him

Obviously I didn't see anything last season but he does look as though he's progressed really well. Thought he was excellent in the first half last night.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Obviously I didn't see anything last season but he does look as though he's progressed really well. Thought he was excellent in the first half last night.

From the highlights his touch and ball control was excellent

[NottsClaret]

Quite the unexpectedly hot topic this. Can't say I'm ever too fussed why any player is out, and that's the first team never mind reserves and kids. Just give a rough idea when they might be back and that's more than enough for me. Everyone's different mind.

[boatshed bill]

From the highlights his touch and ball control was excellent

The "extensive" highlights?