How Much Will We Get For Tarks?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:04 am

Looks for all the world that at least one party (whether it is the club or his agent) is stoking a bidding war for Tarkowski.

Given we'd lose him for nothing in the summer it's possibly in our best interests to sell up. West Ham, Newcastle and Tottenham said to be interested which is good news if we want to cash in.

How much do you think we'll manage to get for him and where will he go?

I say £22 million, destination Newcastle.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:22 am

Will he go to Newcastle though? Why would he leave us in Jan for a club that might be relegated, when he could decide between other clubs in the summer, and with no transfer fee, command a higher wage? I'm certain Newcastle will bid, and other clubs will counter offer, but I can't see any logical reason for him making the move to Newcastle then. If they stay up he could go there in the summer

alboclaret · Post by **alboclaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:30 am

He'll go for nothing in the summer.
He said before he was "taking control of his contract" or similar.

Big signing on fee for him in the summer. If we try and push him out in Jan he will just down tools and sit it out. He's got form.
Unless he wants to go in Jan we might be best trying to get the best out of him for rest of the season.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:31 am

alboclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:30 am
He'll go for nothing in the summer.
He said before he was "taking control of his contract" or similar.

Big signing on fee for him in the summer. If we try and push him out in Jan he will just down tools and sit it out. He's got form.
Unless he wants to go in Jan we might be best trying to get the best out of him for rest of the season.

I think we bought him in January.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:37 am

With their latest injury scare see WHU very interested this Jan
https://www.hammers.news/transfer-news/ ... m-insider/

Paulclaret · Post by **Paulclaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:46 am

I'd be amazed if we sold him to a relegation rival in January. If West Ham come in for him I'd sell for whatever we can get, otherwise let him go for free in the Summer. If he helps us stay up, it will be worth it,

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:50 am

He holds all the cards, he will decide when and where he goes, we have no say in the matter.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:08 am

Our Premier League status is worth more than the £10-15m we might be able to squeeze out of a club in January. Just accept he’s going for nothing in the summer and focus on staying up.

Hopefully we’ll have enough points by around March time as I’d imagine he’ll be trying to avoid injury in the latter part of the season.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:33 am

Claretforever wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:08 am
Our Premier League status is worth more than the £10-15m we might be able to squeeze out of a club in January. Just accept he’s going for nothing in the summer and focus on staying up.

Hopefully we’ll have enough points by around March time as I’d imagine he’ll be trying to avoid injury in the latter part of the season.

I agree-the faintest of margins can get you relegated-ie Bournemouth with a disputed VAR decision. His contribution Jan-May will be far greater than a "small margin"

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:08 am

Bosman. What a pain its been for the likes of Burnley.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:10 am

Don't sell offer him a new improved deal
He's never going to get his England place back while Muppet Southgate thinks his current cbs are better, regardless of who he plays for
Selling in January with a large slice going to Brentford is a very bad idea .
We should refuse any dealings with Newcastle and their highly questionable owners.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:52 am

If West Ham come in for him in January and it's a reasonable offer
(say 15m) then he'll be off given West Ham seem to be his preferred option
and they're riding high as well.
We may have to play hard ball on the fee and try and squeeze as much
out of them as possible especially as we're likely to have to get another
cb in even if Collins steps into his boots.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:58 am

Fee will be low, so a signing on fee still possible, for a club committed to purchase.
If no one that desperate, free at season end, with pre-contract agreement in January.

Burnley have £130m at stake, cum May, so in our interest to a. Retain his services and b. Not sell to relegation team.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:34 am

Rowls wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:04 am
Looks for all the world that at least one party (whether it is the club or his agent) is stoking a bidding war for Tarkowski.

Given we'd lose him for nothing in the summer it's possibly in our best interests to sell up. West Ham, Newcastle and Tottenham said to be interested which is good news if we want to cash in.

How much do you think we'll manage to get for him and where will he go?

I say £22 million, destination Newcastle.

We shouldn’t cash in. We lose far more getting relegated than we would on losing the fee. And why would we sell him to a major relegation rival in Newcastle?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:39 am

Nowt as he'll go for free next summer, hopefully before he moves to pastures new he'll have played a major role in our survival.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:02 am

Rowls wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:31 am
I think we bought him in January.

I think you're right. But didn't he refuse to play for Brentford? Against us I think when we absolute battered them in a superb 1st half performance at their place

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:08 am

I think it will depend on who comes in for him. If it's Spurs or West Ham, then I think he'll be happy to go. After all, he'd probably choose one of those if he left for free in the summer. Newcastle? Not so sure. He could be offered a huge wage there under the new regime.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:09 am

If West Ham are the team, I'd sell him (15m with add-ons for CL qualification seems reasonable). Collins is ready, I would be content with this move and then look at getting someone like Jones from United on loan till the summer as cover. In the summer perhaps, if we stay up, then we could look at 'another Collins' to replace Tarky, maybe even his mate Souttar from Stoke.

I wouldn't sell to Newcastle whatever the offer though (well, within reason, obviously). I don't care how much cash they have to spend - they are in deep trouble if they don't get an immediate bounce from Howe. If they are well clear/mid table by January, then it's a different proposition obviously - but if they are still rooted in the bottom three, I would rather lose him for free. What I would do though, without question, is leave them thinking that we are selling him right till 10:59pm on January the 31st.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:09 am

To sell Tarkowski, we need three things to happen for the sum of £x.

The selling club agrees to pay £x for a player out of contract in half a season.
Burnley agree to accept about three-quarters of £x and leave themselves with only centre half experienced in Dyche's system.
Tarkowski agrees to move and forego his chance of the signing-on fee that might come with a free transfer.

Is there a sum of £x that satisfies all three conditions? I very much doubt it.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:12 am

He definitely has form on "taking control of his own future" as he literally downed tools at Brentford to force his move to us after we'd tabled our bid. Some said it showed ambition as we were a serious step up and Brentford were stalling and playing hard ball and maybe it did, but I wasn't comfortable with it tbh as I felt it was somewhat unprofessional and smacked of toys and prams stuff and was rather disloyal to Brentford. The thing is, he's done it before, so could easily do it again and will definitely work everything out around one party here. Himself.

dushanbe · Post by **dushanbe** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:12 am

Its a gamble for a player to sit out a contract, in the same boat the 'what ifs' would get to me with six months to go. He might be advised for continuity of employment to take the best offer in January, but like I say its a gamble he might think is worth the risk.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:27 am

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:58 am
Fee will be low, so a signing on fee still possible, for a club committed to purchase.
If no one that desperate, free at season end, with pre-contract agreement in January.

Burnley have £130m at stake, cum May, so in our interest to a. Retain his services and b. Not sell to relegation team.

He can only sign a pre contract with foreign clubs.

Of course he will look after himself with the finances and he does right to.

He has never let us down so far, an absolute warrior. Will put his head in anywhere.

9thMay1987 · Post by **9thMay1987** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:35 am

I think WHU in January with Newcastle going for Ake.

Whatever the deal I hope Dawson is part of it. With Mee, Collins and Dawson not too bad and something to spend on a quality midfielder on loan,

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:38 am

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:10 am
Don't sell offer him a new improved deal

I'll go with that

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:43 am

It would be a risk letting Tarks go in January. Couple that with Cornet not being available for potentially 6 weeks. Chris wood missing a few games. The first couple months of 2022 could be incredibly difficult

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:45 am

There’s no way in the world he will be sold in January.

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:02 pm

Said on another thread, the newcastle link was immediately as the club was taken over. With Howe now in charge there I can see them going for Ake from City.

West Ham or Leicester are the clubs that Tarks will end up at. West Ham, with Ogbonna out for the season now, look the most likely to go for him in January, and following some recent investment from Czech billionaire probably have some cash liquidity to spend on transfers.

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:43 pm

He'll go for a free in the summer... unless we can get a fee that means we can get a replacement lined up straight away.
Or a swap deal for someone.

Generally though, I'd be very surprised if he left in Jan

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:45 pm

As he’s 29 in a few days he’ll want a nice juicy contract as he’s almost in last contract territory

ChorltonCharlie · Post by **ChorltonCharlie** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:08 pm

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:12 am
He definitely has form on "taking control of his own future" as he literally downed tools at Brentford to force his move to us after we'd tabled our bid. Some said it showed ambition as we were a serious step up and Brentford were stalling and playing hard ball and maybe it did, but I wasn't comfortable with it tbh as I felt it was somewhat unprofessional and smacked of toys and prams stuff and was rather disloyal to Brentford. The thing is, he's done it before, so could easily do it again and will definitely work everything out around one party here. Himself.

Quite a bit of conjecture there when it's not hard to find the real reason why it played out as it did. Tarks even put out a statement which Brentford shared after he'd joined us.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:20 pm

ChorltonCharlie wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:08 pm
Quite a bit of conjecture there when it's not hard to find the real reason why it played out as it did. Tarks even put out a statement which Brentford shared after he'd joined us.

https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2016/j ... statement/

Released just before he joined us. And I'm not sure it means he won't go missing for us if there's serious speculation about his future being elsewhere

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:38 pm

Frankly, we're lucky he made a full recovery from the toe injury that kept him out of the opening games of last season. All of the backroom team who helped him overcome that deserve credit because we've had a international class defender for the past year. He's been vital to our survival.

Players don't always come back and play at their best when they suffer from that kind of injury. Not just his physically either- his mentality after the awful toe injury has been excellent.

However, we might not want to risk losing him to something unfortunate like that again. That's why I think we'll sell up in January.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:47 pm

he's 29, this World Cup is his last chance - if West Ham or Spurs come in for him he will be advised to move and more than likely he will be picked for England because that's what Southgate does with "big team" players. If he leaves it until the summer there is no chance of Qatar for him imho.
Other than financial I don't see the point in him going to Newcastle

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:59 pm

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:45 pm
As he’s 29 in a few days he’ll want a nice juicy contract as he’s almost in last contract territory

He'd get a minimum of 4 years plus 1 extra option off SD

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:09 pm

Quite simply , if he is not staying then we can make him serve his contact in full. We at least know, based on this season, that his attitude is brilliant, and he will give everything until the last game. He will be a major influence in our survival

Everyone keeps asking what fee we can get for him. We should instead focus on what he cost us, which was peanuts-was it aroind £3m ??. He has paid that back many times with his displays, so if he walks away for nowt in June, so what !!

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:55 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:47 pm
he's 29, this World Cup is his last chance - if West Ham or Spurs come in for him he will be advised to move and more than likely he will be picked for England because that's what Southgate does with "big team" players. If he leaves it until the summer there is no chance of Qatar for him imho.
Other than financial I don't see the point in him going to Newcastle

Vegas there is absolutely zero chance Tarks is going to the World Cup.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:16 pm

We don’t really need to sell him. More money if we avoid relegation with him than sell him and go down.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:03 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:16 pm
We don’t really need to sell him. More money if we avoid relegation with him than sell him and go down.

So how about the possibilities:
disaffected at not getting a career enhancing move his performances drop and we get relegated anyhow?
As a club we are seen to stand in the way of our players' progress, which may disadvantage us when trying to bring in new (younger) players in future

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:08 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:03 pm
So how about the possibilities:
disaffected at not getting a career enhancing move his performances drop and we get relegated anyhow?
As a club we are seen to stand in the way of our players' progress, which may disadvantage us when trying to bring in new (younger) players in future

There has been no sign of his performances dropping despite that for some time he's been looking for a move with other bigger clubs being interested. The club can cite several examples of where it has enabled players to progress.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:12 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:08 pm
There has been no sign of his performances dropping despite that for some time he's been looking for a move with other bigger clubs being interested. The club can cite several examples of where it has enabled players to progress.

Agreed, they are only scenarios.
Also, what if we keep him and he gets injured the next week?
My view is that if he really wants to go then we sell and bring in another decent defender

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:24 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:12 pm
Agreed, they are only scenarios.
Also, what if we keep him and he gets injured the next week?
My view is that if he really wants to go then we sell and bring in another decent defender

We play Collins - the risk of injury is the same for all players.

There is a good chance he will refuse a move before his contract expires. But if not there's a real case for the club keeping him, depending on other factors at the time.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:27 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:24 pm
We play Collins - the risk of injury is the same for all players.

There is a good chance he will refuse a move before his contract expires. But if not there's a real case for the club keeping him, depending on other factors at the time.

I like your optimism.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:29 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:27 pm
I like your optimism.

I'd suggest it's more a case of realism

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:33 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:29 pm
I'd suggest it's more a case of realism

Out of interest, do you believe that our PL survival hinges on James Tarkowski staying this season?

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:34 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:33 pm
Out of interest, do you believe that our PL survival hinges on James Tarkowski staying this season?

No.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:39 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:34 pm
No.

I think plenty on here do, though.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:44 pm

Said on another thread about this

Its a win/win for us

If he wants to earn a big contract somewhere, he'll be great for us for the rest of the season

If he wants to go in Jan, then we make some money on him rather than lose him for nothing

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:46 pm

I’m another who doesn’t think Tarkowski will be the difference between staying up or not. Some build players up too much and we have too many good players to be so vulnerable as to be fretting on one player.
The big positive over the last month has been our return to our strength of being difficult to beat . That has not been solely down to Tarkowski and if we sell him I don’t think we’ll suddenly lose that strength
Twenty million would be brilliant

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:49 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:39 pm
I think plenty on here do, though.

They probably just think we are better with him than without him, therefore him playing improves our chances of staying up. That's obviously right.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:50 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:34 pm
No.

Last season very much so. This season, not so much.