Ok.....Lets See....

BurnleyMickSouth · Post by **BurnleyMickSouth** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:40 pm

Our Leader has gone from hero to zero in this past 2 seasons, so lets have it right and see what the majority of claret fans think about Mr Dyche, in a nutshell i think the time is right for him to go, his methods and what he says we have been hearing for god knows how long, no proper system, 4-4-2 ALL the time never changes, brings in new players and they are not ready for the first team, and do a 6 month appreticeship sat on the bench until ( im the boss ?) mr dyche decides to play you, Vydra is a typical example, also be prepared to be dumped out of the FA Cup this Saturday, all our cup runs are also a farce under him as well, poor team selection etc, and as it says form wise out of 92 clubs........wait for it, yes we are 92nd.............Dyche has to go and go now, am i right ? answers on the back of a stamp plz....care of BMS.......a simple stay or go in responce please.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:42 pm

Barlickclaret · Post by **Barlickclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:44 pm

Stay,, be careful what you wish for. Nobody on any thread as come up with a decent replacement names.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:45 pm

helmclaret · Post by **helmclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:47 pm

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:47 pm

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:47 pm

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:50 pm

Stay for now.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:51 pm

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:52 pm

Easy...Stay.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:52 pm

alboclaret · Post by **alboclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:53 pm

Barlickclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:44 pm
Stay,, be careful what you wish for. Nobody on any thread as come up with a decent replacement names.

Just because a few people on a message board haven't given a name you fancy, isn't a reason to keep someone who is under performing in their job.
Its the job of the board to find a replacement if and when they decide to pull the trigger.

That doesn't look likely if you seen the interview will Alan pace recently.

I've not really got an opinion on if he stays or goes.

I'll say stay because that's what I think will happen not because I want him to.

MrVmax · Post by **MrVmax** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:54 pm

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:54 pm

Stay.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:04 pm

alboclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:53 pm
Just because a few people on a message board haven't given a name you fancy, isn't a reason to keep someone who is under performing in their job.
Its the job of the board to find a replacement if and when they decide to pull the trigger.

That doesn't look likely if you seen the interview will Alan pace recently.

I've not really got an opinion on if he stays or goes.

I'll say stay because that's what I think will happen not because I want him to.

I honestly don’t think they could afford to even if they wanted to remember you’d also need to accommodate the replacement & the backroom staff with that & severance packages with dyches mob assuming everybody wanted to leave to follow him - stay i don’t really think it’s optional in reality.

glosclaret · Post by **glosclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:09 pm

Go now busted flush, This team under his coaching cant pass tackle or trap a ball, should have went three seasons ago, transfers of over aged players looking for good last pay day, thank god crouch retired of his own back otherwise he would still be their, the mike bassett of english football 4-4-2 only tactic he knows, dont forget this was the manager at watford that bought chris iwelumo from us, Hes does like big lumbering cart horses,Pace massive mistake giving this clown four year deal, you cant be all things to all men,

alboclaret · Post by **alboclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:15 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:04 pm
I honestly don’t think they could afford to even if they wanted to remember you’d also need to accommodate the replacement & the backroom staff with that & severance packages with dyches mob assuming everybody wanted to leave to follow him - stay i don’t really think it’s optional in reality.

I'd like to think that upon relegation dyches' huge salary contract will have a clause in it to be cut significantly.
Then I guess pace and Co will give him 1 season to get us back up before the chop. If its obvious we won't be going up then I'd think the chop will come sooner.

There will be a figure agreed within the contract as the pay off, wbe interesting to know how it works with/if salary is cut

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:16 pm

If he’s still 100% committed - stay.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:20 pm

glosclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:09 pm
Go now busted flush, This team under his coaching cant pass tackle or trap a ball, should have went three seasons ago, transfers of over aged players looking for good last pay day, thank god crouch retired of his own back otherwise he would still be their, the mike bassett of english football 4-4-2 only tactic he knows, dont forget this was the manager at watford that bought chris iwelumo from us, Hes does like big lumbering cart horses,Pace massive mistake giving this clown four year deal, you cant be all things to all men,

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:21 pm

glosclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:09 pm
Go now busted flush, This team under his coaching cant pass tackle or trap a ball, should have went three seasons ago, transfers of over aged players looking for good last pay day, thank god crouch retired of his own back otherwise he would still be their, the mike bassett of english football 4-4-2 only tactic he knows, dont forget this was the manager at watford that bought chris iwelumo from us, Hes does like big lumbering cart horses,Pace massive mistake giving this clown four year deal, you cant be all things to all men,

I know things are bad now, but to suggest SD should have left 3 years ago is laughable even by the standards of this board, he'd got us into Europe, and he also kept us up, then went on to achieve a top 10 finish the season after, so he must have been doing something right to get those results.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:22 pm

Stay - deserves a chance with ALK, he's earnt the chance to at least get relegated with us first.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:23 pm

Stay for at least a year from now.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:23 pm

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:26 pm

We knew this season was one of transition, and when we were at our weakest. It has been rougher than I expected results wise, but we have enough and will pull away second half of the season. Dyche to stay.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:27 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:21 pm
I know things are bad now, but to suggest SD should have left 3 years ago is laughable even by the standards of this board, he'd got us into Europe, and he also kept us up, then went on to achieve a top 10 finish the season after, so he must have been doing something right to get those results.

Tiger that poster has made 3 posts in 5 years each one calling out Dyche ...

nailed his colours to the mast quite a while ago (or is very slow at typing

)

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:29 pm

STAY.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:30 pm

Whatever happens this season he should stay as things could very quickly unravel with his departure, given his influence over absolutely everything at the club and a squad with no real quality.

I’d be up for giving him a crack at the Championship as his record is phenomenal, but I’d quickly turn if we continue to play the sort of rigid 442 rubbish that we do now. We would have to evolve big time.

I do think as fans though we suffer from longevity bias where Dyche is concerned. We just can’t imagine anyone else in charge, so much so that some posters claim no other manager could possibly be successful at this club. That’s obviously complete nonsense.

frankinwales · Post by **frankinwales** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:38 pm

Stay but lets support him in the transfer market.

Up the clarets.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:38 pm

Stay.

turbo5 · Post by **turbo5** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:40 pm

My heart says stay, but business wise it's time to go.
I am not a football manager so I can only give an opinion as a fan. I am born and bred Burnley and have only supported my own town team (had some great times in the 80's in the lower leagues so not a fair weather supporter)
As a manager you need to have the right resources (players) you plan for today with succession planning for the future. After nearly 10 years you would have expected 1 or 2 breaking into the first team each year. You can't just buy talent in , especially being a small town club on limited budget. Hence why we end up with 30+ year old has beens looking for a last pay day.
Loyalty to your staff is commendable we all make mistakes but constantly picking out of form players must send the wrong message down the ranks. youth players never get a chance and neither do the fringe players. Zero motivation and they gain no experience, so why come to Burnley as a young ambitious talented player ?
I don't buy into the anti Mike Garlick mantra and its all his fault due to the lack of investment. Look at the signings since 2015. (budget has been available) Its not uncommon for managers in any industry to start blaming their managers /their team and everybody except themselves. I appreciate not everyone can be a success but we have a high failure rate. I genuine feel for Vydra, Gibson unsure what went on there!, Wells etc Again why sign for Burnley when you have been a star at your old club in the championship, to sit on the bench for 1-3 years with the odd cameo appearance at Burnley.
Managers in any industry need to change to bring in new ideas. You can say his 9 year spell has been successful it can't be denied but its now come to a point where the team is too old, out of contract and lacking ideas. It needs a catalyst to kick start a rebuilding programme. how can you allow 9 of your first team players to be aged around 30, we have nothing behind it, a complete rebuild is required and I don't think Dyche is right for that role
He will rightly go down as a Burnley legend but all things come to an end eventually.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:40 pm

IMO we will go down if he stays, but he is probably best suited to get us back up.

The silliest thing to do would be to pot him either in the summer or after the window shuts.
So it's either now, or at least give him 1 more year to see where we are this time next season in the championship.

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:45 pm

It has to be Stay.

However, I think the new owners are in between a rock and a hard place - spend with relegation in mind, or spend with staying up in mind.

Dyche needs the ability to freshen up the place and we do need revolution rather than evolution I believe as I think we need to play in a way that allows us to score more. Our fitness was our strength, we are no longer the fittest club in the league. The desire appears to be no longer there for some players.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:46 pm

End of the season and then change. Pointless keeping him to get us back up, what then? The same old? There’s also no guarantee he actually will get us back up like some make out it is. A few more months, then get rid, wether we stay up or not. We need freshening up massively. Summer will be the perfect time with many likely to leave for a new manager to come in and build his own squad.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:47 pm

I was angry yesterday when said I didn't know whether we should keep with Dyche, should we drop. On reflection, if we end up in the Championship, then we have to see where we are by the beginning of December. However, from now on in, I expect the team to start busting a gut for us - starting at 15.00 a week on Saturday. If we do go down, let's go down with a fight, not a whimper!

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:48 pm

Dyche certainly isn’t blameless in our current position. He has surely though, built up enough credits for him to have a crack at revamping the squad, and if the worst comes to the worst, trying to take us back up.

There’s plenty for Dyche to learn from our current predicament, he’s not really kept the squad fresh although that’s partly due to him having his hands tied in terms of recruitment.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:49 pm

Easy one, Stay.
Will need him to get us back up.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:49 pm

Stay, but on the condition that he is willing to sign younger players and freshen the squad up big time. No more contract extensions to players because they're "good lads".

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:52 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:30 pm
Whatever happens this season he should stay as things could very quickly unravel with his departure, given his influence over absolutely everything at the club and a squad with no real quality.

I’d be up for giving him a crack at the Championship as his record is phenomenal, but I’d quickly turn if we continue to play the sort of rigid 442 rubbish that we do now. We would have to evolve big time.

I do think as fans though we suffer from longevity bias where Dyche is concerned. We just can’t imagine anyone else in charge, so much so that some posters claim no other manager could possibly be successful at this club. That’s obviously complete nonsense.

Exactly this. He needs backing again but also needs to evolve.

I’m stay for now.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:52 pm

alboclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:15 pm
I'd like to think that upon relegation dyches' huge salary contract will have a clause in it to be cut significantly.
Then I guess pace and Co will give him 1 season to get us back up before the chop. If its obvious we won't be going up then I'd think the chop will come sooner.

There will be a figure agreed within the contract as the pay off, wbe interesting to know how it works with/if salary is cut

Without a shadow the contract took that long before he agreed to it the contents will be full of stipulations the lawyers would have drawn up to the benefit of both sides, you can bet your bottom dollar it’d be very costly bringing somebody else in in addition to paying interest on a loan. It would be a very very last last resort.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:54 pm

Pointless question. The users on this board represent the extremes of opinion most are deluded and take either extreme position. (myself included)
CT can probably confirm this I would guess there are 150 active users on this board which represents 0.1% of the active fanbase. So this thread like other Dyche out threads is irrelevant.
All that matters is what Pace wants, and from a Return on Investment perspective that is success for the women's team leveraging the great infrastructure Dyche has put has in place. Mock if you will the signs are there.
Question is would you go and see the women's team in a Champions League final in 5 years time?

Stockbrokerbelt · Post by **Stockbrokerbelt** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:00 pm

One things for certain if we don’t stick together then were doomed, coaching staff, players, fans all of us. It seems that a small % just want a change because it easy to change & to be honest some of the rubbish around players & tactics that have been spouted are embarrassing, to actually presume that you know better than a prem manager & the best manager we have had & have does nothing but shame us as a fan base. We are starting to sound & behave like the tripe down at Arsenal. To be honest for Burnley fans to suggest swapping Dyche for fat sam makes us a laughing stock & they would be better off going to Elwood or OT.

BurnleyMickSouth · Post by **BurnleyMickSouth** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:01 pm

I think Turbo5 has hit the nail on the head, he says it how it is, and i have to agree with him, other managers know what the formation of our team is going to be and who is going to be playing up front, Wood, Barnes, Jay rod, all supposidly strikers, my heart goes out to Vids he has never been a Dyche favorite, (unlike Barnes) but if he leaves us which i am sure he will you watch him bang in the goals for his next club, i also see that Dyche has had a go at Cornet for clapping the crowd, Dyches responce was we will soon knock that out of him, looks like Dyche has knocked the football skills out of some of our first teamers as well, he has done a lot for the club but he is the manager, so manage and turn it round, also i notice the word Framework has gone on the back burner, and the group etc.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:02 pm

Stay. Absolutely stay.

Is he perfect? No.
Does he get things wrong? Yes.
Has he been let down spectacularly by the previous chairman and the board? Yes.
Is there another manager ANYWHERE in world football that could have kept this lot in the PL for the last 6 seasons? No.

And there isn't a manager anywhere in the country that could get anything better from this current group, of that I'm sure. As unhappy as a lot of us are with where we find ourselves, potting the one manager in the PL you'd want to be in charge of your club in this position would be an utterly bizarre decision. He needed help and didn't get it... Meanwhile, Garlick watches on from a distance whilst our manager gets the pelters that should be heading his way.

Winston Churchill couldn't rally us to avoid the inevitable I'm afraid.

Dyche stays and hopefully is supported by the board.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:21 pm

STAY and IF we go down bring us straight back up scoring bags of goals just like the last twice he got us promoted.

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:27 pm

Stay. Agree with Bobinho's post above.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:29 pm

Stay - end of.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:32 pm

stay - we are one really good transfer window into a new cycle, I want to see what he can do with backing considering the miracles he's worked without it.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:36 pm

Stay. The football will get better with better players. Get behind the team and make the difference. Half a season left. Games in hand. 2 points from safety. Transfer window open. Everything very much to play for.
Gotta remember even Leeds spent 65m in the summer. Lots of the teams who our relegation rivals are big spenders now.

Burt · Post by **Burt** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:37 pm

Stay, see what can be achieved with better backing

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:41 pm

There’s only one answer.

Stay. We can’t physically afford to let him go.

Have a few seasons in the championship and hope we promoted down the line.