Alan Pace

[Sleeping Cat]

I wouldn't be surprised if Pace and Co weren't the owners in a years time. Struggled to find investment and keep up with payments to buy the club as a Premier League asset. That will be much harder in the championship, unless offering more (perhaps in terms of equity) to new potential investors. And usually, when people invest large sums in a risky business they prefer to have a hand on the steering wheel.

[randomclaret2]

Because the fans, many on this board, probably including you, demanded change.

It's the fans fault

[Steddyman]

It's amazing what people talk about when there is nothing to talk about.

FFS let's wait and see how the business is managed in the Championship

[Billy Balfour]

Because the fans, many on this board, probably including you, demanded change.

That's such a crass responce to what he said.

[ClaretPete001]

That's such a crass reply to what he said.

Indeed, I'll just let it stand..

[Gordaleman]

It's the fans fault

No, not really, but some have never seen Burnley in the lower divisions and think we should spend like the Saudi billionaire clubs. They don't realise that it's impossible. I've been supporting Burnley for 71 years now, and I'll continue to do so whichever division we are in. I wonder how many of the kids will?

[ClaretPete001]

No, not really, but some have never seen Burnley in the lower divisions and think we should spend like the Saudi billionaire clubs. They don't realise that it's impossible. I've been supporting Burnley for 71 years now, and I'll continue to do so whichever division we are in. I wonder how many of the kids will?

Do you not understand how absurd it is to suggest that the club had no money under MG and Co when they have just sold it to someone who used thirty million of the clubs money to pay erm wait for it ......MG and Co.

And argue that all that makes sense because "the kids" aren't loyal fans.

I went to Barden in the days when you got thrown in the sand pit and spat on, and some of these argument are giving me cognitive dissonance.

What aspect of this are you not getting....?

[Paul Waine]

He reached a glass ceiling so he sold it to a group with no money who bought the club using it's own cash, and lumbered the club with at least £102 million worth of debt?

What kind of logic is that?

Just proof that there was / is a glass ceiling, perhaps?

[Gordaleman]

Do you not understand how absurd it is to suggest that the club had no money under MG and Co when they have just sold it to someone who used thirty million of the clubs money to pay erm wait for it ......MG and Co.

And argue that all that makes sense because "the kids" aren't loyal fans.

I went to Barden in the days when you got thrown in the sand pit and spat on, and some of these argument are giving me cognitive dissonance.

What aspect of this are you not getting....?

I just live in the real world. The fans demanded that we take more risks, and spend more money. So we have done by selling our soul. What we have now is that risk playing out.

[Nori1958]

Because the fans, many on this board, probably including you, demanded change.

The fans on here are a very small percentage of the fanbase
Never once did I hear calls against Garlick at games

[BurnleyFC]

I just live in the real world. The fans demanded that we take more risks, and spend more money. So we have done by selling our soul. What we have now is that risk playing out.

We’re certainly taking more risks but not actually spending any extra on players, though.

[CoolClaret]

I just live in the real world. The fans demanded that we take more risks, and spend more money. So we have done by selling our soul. What we have now is that risk playing out.

No one asked for a leveraged buyout from a charlatan consortium.

More to you know, reinvest some of the absurd TV money that we got back into the playing squad whilst not going completely gung-ho but having a contingency plan in case the worst were to happen.

It has happened, we owe money, have an ageing squad with several OOC players and no manager.

The past 3 seasons have been an absolute disaster

[spt_claret]

Do you really think enough people in Asia / America are following Stoke because of a wet Tuesday night in Stoke meme?

Your marketing is for stuff that the mass market don’t want. They don’t want firm, hard fair tackles, they want stepovers, signing announce videos, YouTube fan accounts, TikTok’s etc….. but I do agree that the output, both for engaged local fans and potential far and wide fans has fallen over the last year since they removed many of the media people from the business.

"Enough" in this case is literally just a matter of more than previously. Stokes support will have dropped off due to relegation as ours will but they embraced their image much more willingly even if they did have billionaire owners.
Signing videos and fan accounts are not incompatible with what I've said,my whole point is about making the players more accessible and community engagement more visible. Why do people want player signing videos and social media? To feel connected. That's instantly easier and more potent if your brand is already built around not being the standard PL overpaid diva.
We cannot and will not ever be able to outdo Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea,City, United, Spurs or indeed any well resourced city club at what you seem consider "mass market". Even with an investor on their level. It would require such a redesign and rebrand of everything including the stadium for the reasons I stated- Turf Moor presents a very specific character, we are a town club not a city club so cannot focus on marketing in the same way a city club does, we need to present an image that attracts a different type of fan regardless of locale and those sorts of people do exist. To compete in that space commercially you cannot take on clubs at their own game when they have a starting point miles and miles ahead of you and will always have slugs of resources. You have to find a unique selling point. We had one. We would have done well to embrace it to the full- and this would also have let us better draw a distinction between the club and unsavoury events/fans. By shying from marketing then squirming to change (rather than strengthen and solidify/clarify) our image it let the already hostile sections of the press create the impression the club and those incidents were linked more than they were.

Anybody who wants Burnley to attract a global billionaire oligarch to dump money in Abramovich or even Vichai style and also lead us to successful cosmopolitan flashy 433/4231/343 football like all the media darlings play is living in a delusion and has to get over this obsession with being like the"big clubs" and winning their approval. It's absurdly unlikely we will ever have success that way, to succeed both at football and marketing the club we had and still have to be different from approach to what we offer.

[Billy Balfour]

The fans on here are a very small percentage of the fanbase
Never once did I hear calls against Garlick at games

Aye, it's hardly the Teasdale Out chanting and demos outside the Bob Lord stand that I remember seeing when I was a kid. It beggars belief that someone can blame a leveraged buyout on a bit of message board wibble.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Cheers Pace, sacked the guy that got us out of the division we’re heading into twice and riddled us with debt.

Get out of our club you chancer

The only thing he got wrong was not sacking Dyche earlier, we'd have been dead and buried weeks ago without the change

By the end of his time Dyche was not a well liked man by a number of the current squad unfortunately!

[boyyanno]

Pace was right to get rid of Dyche but wrong to not appoint a full time manager after we gave ourselves a chance.

Jackson is not a Premier league manager, we had a nice little buzz for a few games but that was all it was ever going to be. It was clear for me after we played Villa the first time that the bounce wouldn't take us any further. Had we have had someone else in for the last 4 I can't imagine we'd have lined up like we did and I believe we'd have gotten more than 1 point.

[spt_claret]

Stoke's owners being worth £Billions helped a wee bit too...

Of course, money buys better talent and buys commercial exposure through sheer advertising attrition. But I'm talking about marketing strategy more than marketing funds- Stoke were very happy to embrace their reputation and everything went wrong when they got self conscious about it. They signed wonderful players like Xherdan Shaqiri and Ibrahim Afellay, flashy continental never-was prospects like Bojan, and the more they went that way the more problems they had until being relegated.
We never really had a marketing strategy that I could see under Garlick. I'm glad ALK have one. I am concerned it's too focused on being poundshop Wolves rather than trying to build off of what we had, or will have, to work with, but they still have a strategy and some sense of engaging with the market. Just needs to yield revenues.

[Gordaleman]

The fans on here are a very small percentage of the fanbase
Never once did I hear calls against Garlick at games

That's because, generally speaking, he was doing an excellent job. He just felt he couldn't go further and after two or three years of trying to find a buyer, he probably reluctantly felt he had to accept ALKs offer.

[dsr]

I just live in the real world. The fans demanded that we take more risks, and spend more money. So we have done by selling our soul. What we have now is that risk playing out.

Those fans demanding more risk and spending money had it in mind that we spend the money on players and wages. What we actually did was spend the money on a loan to Alan Pace so he could buy a football club. Alan Pace or his companies owe BFC £112m at least, and they have no way of paying it back.

Spending £112m on players would have been a risk that had a chance of reaping a reward. Spending £112m on, in effect, a new board of directors, is taking risk too far.

[randomclaret2]

That's because, generally speaking, he was doing an excellent job. He just felt he couldn't go further and after two or three years of trying to find a buyer, he probably reluctantly felt he had to accept ALKs offer.

I'm beginning to feel sorry for this Garlick fella...

[Gordaleman]

I'm beginning to feel sorry for this Garlick fella...

So you should. He was excellent for Burnley, yet now he's being treated like the villain, which he certainly wasn't.

[randomclaret2]

So you should. He was excellent for Burnley, yet now he's being treated like the villain, which he certainly wasn't.

[CoolClaret]

Nah I'm not having that, either way it makes you look a c**t

What the hell are you talking about you moron?

The blind Pace defending & Dyche bashing is insane, just look at what each one has done for Burnley FC

[THEWELLERNUT70]

What the hell are you talking about you moron?

The blind Pace defending & Dyche bashing is insane, just look at what each one has done for Burnley FC

The assumption that you only created the thread "for a giggle" and to catch people in the net makes you come across as a c**t imo

Which is it though because you still appear to be defending your initial post?

[CoolClaret]

The assumption that you only created the thread "for a giggle" and to catch people in the net makes you come across as a c**t imo

Which is it though because you still appear to be defending your initial post?

I meant that Pace has people believing his crap without any evidence to suggest to believe him

I can see I should have probably stated that on the post that you replied to

[joey13]

That's because, generally speaking, he was doing an excellent job. He just felt he couldn't go further and after two or three years of trying to find a buyer, he probably reluctantly felt he had to accept ALKs offer.

And you know this how ?

[Gordaleman]

And you know this how ?

Read my post. I said 'Probably'.

[Gordaleman]

Mike Jackson seems to have faith in Pace, and I've no reason to disagrre with him.

Jackson himself said he wasn't bothered by what comes next for him personally but does see a bright future for Burnley under chairman Alan Pace despite plenty of financial concerns among the fan base. Burnley must now pay back a significant portion of the £65million loan ALK took out from MSD Holdings while they will no longer have the Premier League TV money.

Asked if he felt the club was in good hands, Jackson said: "Why wouldn't it be? There are good people here who want to do well and they want the club to bounce back but it is small steps and planning and making sure we have everything in place to do that."
Clarity is now key for Burnley, and for Jackson himself, with a new manager the main priority to ensure summer planning can be effective ahead of the new season. But Jackson admits the only thought in the aftermath of relegation is disappointment, rather than the future.
"It is hard to comment on that given what has happened," he said of his future. "I think there will be a reflection on what has gone on and like everything else it will be small steps to find your way back. That is what you have to do, we have to find our way back and get the club going again.

[joey13]

Read my post. I said 'Probably'.
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So if I had posted he probably gladly accepted ALKs offer it would be just as accurate

[spt_claret]

Mike Jackson seems to have faith in Pace, and I've no reason to disagrre with him.

This isn't meant as a dig at Pace or to imply Jackson thinks differently but you're not going to see someone criticise their boss to public media especially when they still have an outside slim chance of their temporary promotion being made permanent.
There's a reason it was considered significant when Dyche criticised Garlick, and his grumbles about funding even under ALK were already close to the limit of what you'd expect in public criticism. The man who pays the piper picks the tune.

[DycheAlmighty]

Mike Jackson seems to have faith in Pace, and I've no reason to disagrre with him.

Jackson himself said he wasn't bothered by what comes next for him personally but does see a bright future for Burnley under chairman Alan Pace despite plenty of financial concerns among the fan base. Burnley must now pay back a significant portion of the £65million loan ALK took out from MSD Holdings while they will no longer have the Premier League TV money.

Asked if he felt the club was in good hands, Jackson said: "Why wouldn't it be? There are good people here who want to do well and they want the club to bounce back but it is small steps and planning and making sure we have everything in place to do that."
Clarity is now key for Burnley, and for Jackson himself, with a new manager the main priority to ensure summer planning can be effective ahead of the new season. But Jackson admits the only thought in the aftermath of relegation is disappointment, rather than the future.
"It is hard to comment on that given what has happened," he said of his future. "I think there will be a reflection on what has gone on and like everything else it will be small steps to find your way back. That is what you have to do, we have to find our way back and get the club going again.

I do wonder what Pace's connection is to both MJ and PJ. Very quickly cast Jon Pepper (who did a good job for us) to the wayside. I'm not saying I have any issue with either MJ or PJ, but taking MJ's word on Pace doesn't necessarily mean it's gospel he has the necessary credentials.

[RVclaret]

I do wonder what Pace's connection is to both MJ and PJ. Very quickly cast Jon Pepper (who did a good job for us) to the wayside. I'm not saying I have any issue with either MJ or PJ, but taking MJ's word on Pace doesn't necessarily mean it's gospel he has the necessary credentials.

Dyche also spoke highly of Pace in his recent podcast to be fair

[DycheAlmighty]

Dyche also spoke highly of Pace in his recent podcast to be fair

I missed that, where could I locate that pod?

[randomclaret2]

MJ is hardly likely to criticise Alan Pace given that I assume he would like to continue to be employed by the club in some capacity

[RVclaret]

I missed that, where could I locate that pod?

Transcript is here:

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... l-23938824

Podcast is a subscribed one:

https://www.secondcaptains.com/2022/05/ ... exclusive/

[Newcastleclaret93]

Mike Jackson seems to have faith in Pace, and I've no reason to disagrre with him.

Jackson himself said he wasn't bothered by what comes next for him personally but does see a bright future for Burnley under chairman Alan Pace despite plenty of financial concerns among the fan base. Burnley must now pay back a significant portion of the £65million loan ALK took out from MSD Holdings while they will no longer have the Premier League TV money.

Asked if he felt the club was in good hands, Jackson said: "Why wouldn't it be? There are good people here who want to do well and they want the club to bounce back but it is small steps and planning and making sure we have everything in place to do that."
Clarity is now key for Burnley, and for Jackson himself, with a new manager the main priority to ensure summer planning can be effective ahead of the new season. But Jackson admits the only thought in the aftermath of relegation is disappointment, rather than the future.
"It is hard to comment on that given what has happened," he said of his future. "I think there will be a reflection on what has gone on and like everything else it will be small steps to find your way back. That is what you have to do, we have to find our way back and get the club going again.

Employee doesn’t slag off the employer to the press, imagine the shock.

[ClaretPete001]

Just proof that there was / is a glass ceiling, perhaps?

How can there have been a glass ceiling if you sell it to someone who uses £30 million of the clubs money to pay you out and then borrows £65 million of private equity money against the clubs assets?

[expoultryboy]

Joey - just sit back and enjoy the jersey life . We're all fed up but there's nowt any of us can do about it .

[Vegas Claret]

I just live in the real world. The fans demanded that we take more risks, and spend more money. So we have done by selling our soul. What we have now is that risk playing out.

the one person that said all those things was Dyche, every other press conference for 9 years

[DycheAlmighty]

Transcript is here:

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... l-23938824

Podcast is a subscribed one:

https://www.secondcaptains.com/2022/05/ ... exclusive/

Thanks for that buddy, much appreciated!

[eastcoastclaret]

I wish some of these anti Pace brigade would cut him some slack, it's getting boring. He might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he comes across to me as a decent person who doesn't give up easily. We have hit a bump in the road, but I'm convinced given time, we as a club will come out the other end stronger with Pace and his team in charge.

[2 Bee Holed]

So you should. He was excellent for Burnley, yet now he's being treated like the villain, which he certainly wasn't.

Oh yes he was!

[Somethingfishy]

So you should. He was excellent for Burnley, yet now he's being treated like the villain, which he certainly wasn't.

Wow...really?? The man whose under investment that allowed a cash reserve to be built up and then in essence pocketed that cash with the way the club was bought?
The same under investment that has resulted in an ageing squad and culminated in yesterdays events?
The same fans that laud him and lambast Pace forget he is the one who chose to sell to Pace. It was all on him.
Gobsmacked that some fans think him as some sort of hero. He's the one to blame for all this.