Good luck Liverpool!

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:20 pm

That was a very late flag

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:20 pm

That’ll be a goal, not offside, Liverpool played it.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:22 pm

Hopefully a goal.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:22 pm

Madrid doing what Madrid do, soaking up the pressure then hitting the sucker punch

Waiting for VAR

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:23 pm

Got away with that IMO.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:23 pm

Not sure how that was offside

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:23 pm

So a deflection means it's offside, a "play" by a liverpool player means he's onside..

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:23 pm

Just causes so much crap does VAR.

groove · Post by **groove** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:24 pm

There were 2 Liverpool players playing him on. I don't understand?

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:24 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:23 pm
So a deflection means it's offside, a "play" by a liverpool player means he's onside..

That's a new 1 on me.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:25 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:23 pm
Just causes so much crap does VAR.

That wasn’t VAR causing that, it was genuinely difficult to see what happened.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:25 pm

groove wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:24 pm
There were 2 Liverpool players playing him on. I don't understand?

He was behind the Liverpool keeper so technically offside according to the commentary

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:26 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:24 pm
That's a new 1 on me.

Same, that's why I typed it out because even then I'm struggling to understand it

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:26 pm

Offside

Liverpool started really well, but Real came back in to it

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:27 pm

groove wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:24 pm
There were 2 Liverpool players playing him on. I don't understand?

If behind the keeper, need to be 2 defending players between the attacker and the goal

VVD had stepped up and was in front of Benzema with only Robertson between him and the goal

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:27 pm

Bizarre offside.

Liverpool player touches it forward on to a Liverpool player who slides in and plays backwards (deemed a deflection) and they class it as offside? How?

groove · Post by **groove** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:27 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:25 pm
He was behind the Liverpool keeper so technically offside according to the commentary

I never knew that rule. I thought offside rule only applied to defenders.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:28 pm

martin_p wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:25 pm
That wasn’t VAR causing that, it was genuinely difficult to see what happened.

To my own mind then, if a defender is going in to play the ball, and it comes off him, he should be deemed as playing the ball.

AwayClaret · Post by **AwayClaret** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:28 pm

If goalkeeper is out of goal there needs to be 2 defenders behind goalie to keep an attacking player onside if attacking player is behind goalie.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:29 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:25 pm
He was behind the Liverpool keeper so technically offside according to the commentary

So just play your keeper up front!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:29 pm

I knew he was offside with only one defender behind the keeper but astounded it wasn't given after the ball hit the two Liverpool players - did the Madrid player even touch it ?

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:29 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:24 pm
That's a new 1 on me.

Me too.
That should have stood.
Madrid ought to be one up.

bodge · Post by **bodge** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:30 pm

As per usual this will end up being a late Liverpool win through a Phil Neal penalty.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:31 pm

groove wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:27 pm
I never knew that rule. I thought offside rule only applied to defenders.

People take it for granted that a keeper will be classed as the 2 defenders needed and only look for the defender.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:33 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:10 pm
The ref is letting a lot of physical stuff go , which has surprised me, OR is the prem lge just getting soft

Refs in all English divisions have let a lot more go for the last 3 months. Must be under instruction for them all to bring it in together. The offence that grates with me is the barge into the back but it seems to be legit now.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:34 pm

So even though it comes off one Liverpool player onto another and then to Benzema he's still offside

That's messed up

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:34 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:27 pm
Bizarre offside.

Liverpool player touches it forward on to a Liverpool player who slides in and plays backwards (deemed a deflection) and they class it as offside? How?

It has to be a deliberate play by the defender for it to be onside A defection means it's offside, so they decided it deflected off a Liverpool player

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:34 pm

Unless they think the Madrid player touched it. If he sent it forward it would be offside, wouldn't it?

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:35 pm

The RM player played it forward before the double deflections and neither of them was a deliberate attempt to play the ball.
Offside was correct.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:35 pm

Walton: “it’s actually quite simple” and the proceeds to confuse matters further. That was never an off side!

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:36 pm

That offside is baffling as owt. So if nots deliberate( ie a deflection) then it's offside?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:37 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:34 pm
So even though it comes off one Liverpool player onto another and then to Benzema he's still offside

That's messed up

They have got it wrong.

But I'm pretty sure we have just seen history being made.
Never in the history of the game has a goal been chalked off for offside when 2 defenders have played the ball.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:37 pm

A player comes sliding in to win the ball and it’s an accidental deflection - hmmm

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:37 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:29 pm
So just play your keeper up front!

How would that work?

You’d then have 10 defenders so nobody would be offside

edlass · Post by **edlass** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:37 pm

Didn't Konate deliberately play it? He stretched and hit it into Fabinho in an attempt to clear it.

AwayClaret · Post by **AwayClaret** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:38 pm

If there had of been 2 defenders behind Allison and Benzema the goal would've stood.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:38 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:34 pm
So even though it comes off one Liverpool player onto another and then to Benzema he's still offside

That's messed up

The first Liverpool defender (Konate) went to play the ball too and played it against his teammate

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:38 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:34 pm
It has to be a deliberate play by the defender for it to be onside A defection means it's offside, so they decided it deflected off a Liverpool player

Had we still been in the premier league and we were the defending team in that instance against one of the top teams I’d put good money on that being given as a goal against us.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:39 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:34 pm
It has to be a deliberate play by the defender for it to be onside A defection means it's offside, so they decided it deflected off a Liverpool player

But a Liverpool player played it forward before the deflection?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:40 pm

edlass wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:37 pm
Didn't Konate deliberately play it? He stretched and hit it into Fabinho in an attempt to clear it.

But that doesn’t count because he’s played it back. So it’s based on the Fabinho touch which was not deliberate.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:42 pm

Just a very very poor decision. A legitimate goal ruled out against Liverpool. Who'd have thought it?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:42 pm

beddie wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:38 pm
Had we still been in the premier league and we were the defending team in that instance against one of the top teams I’d put good money on that being given as a goal against us.

Without any concern of losing your bet, could have placed your house, pension, savings and earnings of future generations of your family on that!

edlass · Post by **edlass** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:42 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:40 pm
But that doesn’t count because he’s played it back. So it’s based on the Fabinho touch which was not deliberate.

OK, so it doesn't matter which team played the ball if the last touch was the deflection?

I'm learning alot tonight! ( I think)

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:44 pm

edlass wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:42 pm
OK, so it doesn't matter which team played the ball if the last touch was the deflection?

I'm learning alot tonight! ( I think)

The ball prior to the deflection was played away from the Liverpool goal.

atlantalad · Post by **atlantalad** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:47 pm

Crazy. So, if the muddle and deflection between the two Liverpool defenders resulted in the ball rolling into the net without Benzema involvement would it be chalk off as being an OG because it was not deliberate play by the Liverpool players? Seems like some new rules/interpretations are being made tonight.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:49 pm

So, a keeper, with one defender and an attacker behind him kicks the ball forward, it inadvertently hits another defender and goes back to the striker (in an offside position) who pops the ball in the net. Is the striker offside?

edlass · Post by **edlass** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:50 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:49 pm
So, a keeper, with one defender and an attacker behind him kicks the ball forward, it inadvertently hits another defender and goes back to the striker (in an offside position) who pops the ball in the net. Is the striker offside?

I think that's how I now understand it ?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:50 pm

atlantalad wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:47 pm
Crazy. So, if the muddle and deflection between the two Liverpool defenders resulted in the ball rolling into the net without Benzema involvement would it be chalk off as being an OG because it was not deliberate play by the Liverpool players? Seems like some new rules/interpretations are being made tonight.

No - it would be an own goal

atlantalad · Post by **atlantalad** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:50 pm
No - it would be an own goal

I see now - it would be classed as a deliberate OG maybe

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat May 28, 2022 9:54 pm

atlantalad wrote: ↑
Sat May 28, 2022 9:53 pm
I see now - it would be classed as a deliberate OG maybe

Just an own goal