Average crowd next season

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:50 am

What do you think the average crowd for home games next season will be? Maybe some people coming back with a potential change in playing style but some leaving due to not being in the premier league. Also rising cost of living to be taken into account!
Under or over 15k?

Anyone know the average attendance for our home games last season?

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:31 am

We sold 12,500 season tickets in the early bird period. If we sell a further 500 over the summer then 13,000 is minimum without away fans taken into account.

Average away followings at the Turf in the Championship are normally 1,100-1,400. I’d imagine with all the derbies and the Turf being a fresh ground for a lot it’ll be the higher end. Add in a thousand walk ons at least I imagine, then it would see us getting 15,000-15,500. If we’re doing well at the top end (I don’t hold out much hope right now) then 16-17,000 perhaps.

It’ll be back to the usual 12-13,000 at Second Division/Championship level in a year or two though.

Blatherwickstattoo · Post by **Blatherwickstattoo** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:28 am

I could be wrong but I’ve heard we’ve sold out in the home section of the Cricketfield. If this is true than it’s great news in terms of atmosphere

PremierLeagueClass · Post by **PremierLeagueClass** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:48 am

I reckon it will settle around 13-14k

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:56 am

Surely all those who didn't go on for the last few years due to only being able to buy seats in the end block of stands will be flocking back to watch this season considering there are seats available in every block of the ground.

Neil · Post by **Neil** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:57 am

Obviously depends where we're sitting in the table. Be some big attendances if we're up the top come Christmas. And if we are, it will make for a much better atmosphere than most of the last six years. Difficult for the crowd to get involved watching Man City's death by five yard passes for 88 minutes.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:59 am

All depends on how we’re performing, if we’re up at the top end challenging 17000 to 18000, if we’re also Rans could be 13500 to 14500

lakedistrictclaret · Post by **lakedistrictclaret** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:27 am

There could be a bigger difference next season between the official attendance and the actual attendance.
A significant number of people will have bought a season ticket simply as a way of using up their credit following the sale of their shares. They may not have been to a game for years.
I bought mine in this way, but I'll still be there. I'm looking forward to seeing a few more wins next season.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:34 am

Plenty of doom mongers will tell you 12-14, Id imagine it will be nearer 16-18.

It all depends how we are getting on, I'm really looking forward to it. I don't watch Burnley because I want to see Man City players and Utd players, I just want to see a decent contest in which both sides stand a chance of winning.
I have zero obsession with what other fans and clubs think of Burnley, our style of play or ground like some on this board.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:39 am

If we’re in the promotion hunt it could be a higher average than last season for home areas.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:53 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:56 am
Surely all those who didn't go on for the last few years due to only being able to buy seats in the end block of stands will be flocking back to watch this season considering there are seats available in every block of the ground.

That's ok until you click on the decent seats and see the prices.

I clicked on the centre lower longside which is an alright view, not outstanding. £540

There's value in the Early bird DD system, but apart from that It's expensive.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:59 am

Out of interest is the allocation area for away fans still going to be restricted to 2,400 for every home game next season regardless?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:05 am

As for the attendance? There's just too many variables.

13k ST sold. So you would think 12k attending, less on midweek games. Though all 13k count in the gate.

Less away fans than last year, especially in the home ends. But most clubs haven't been here for 6 years and will see us as a big day out. 1900 average.

Walk ons are the key. Should see 5k on for big games, sell out for the derbies.
500 or less for midweek crap game.

With a couple of cheap promotions.

The super computer has come up with 18k.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:06 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:59 am
Out of interest is the allocation area for away fans still going to be restricted to 2,400 for every home game next season regardless?

All other areas have ST holders in.

Gp8419 · Post by **Gp8419** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:53 am

I don’t agree with the 18k tbh like some have said that’s way over the average I think 16k too end we struggle in the prem to fill it dyche are no dyche.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:01 pm

Gp8419 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:53 am
I don’t agree with the 18k tbh like some have said that’s way over the average I think 16k too end we struggle in the prem to fill it dyche are no dyche.

18k does seem high until I worked it out, but I forgot tv games and silly kick offs.

Too many variables.

Il Duce · Post by **Il Duce** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:03 pm

If we have a decent transfer window I could imagine home fans of around 14-15k, obviously the number of away fans will vary. Possibly maintain this if we are challenging at the top end of the league.

If we have an average/poor season I'd expect home fans to drop to around 13k.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:15 pm

Il Duce wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:03 pm
If we have a decent transfer window I could imagine home fans of around 14-15k, obviously the number of away fans will vary. Possibly maintain this if we are challenging at the top end of the league.

If we have an average/poor season I'd expect home fans to drop to around 13k.

We have sold at least 13k STs, that get counted even when not attending.

BuryClaret · Post by **BuryClaret** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:15 pm

Interestingly, I didn't realise that Anderlect's stadium has around the same capacity as ours - and their average attendance last season was just short of 15k. Kompany shouldn't feel too out of place!

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:16 am

If we start badly, and I don't think we will, the crowds will go below 10,000 [the true figure not inflated by non-attending season ticket holders]; if we are high all season, which I think we will be, we will avarage a true 15,000, maybe 16,000. No more.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:07 am

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:16 am
If we start badly, and I don't think we will, the crowds will go below 10,000 [the true figure not inflated by non-attending season ticket holders]; if we are high all season, which I think we will be, we will avarage a true 15,000, maybe 16,000. No more.

No it won’t

I’ve watched Burnley for 30 years and we’ve still not averaged below 10k to my knowledge

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:52 am

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:07 am
No it won’t I’ve watched Burnley for 30 years and we’ve still not averaged below 10k to my knowledge

Ten thousand regularly was a pipe dream for a few years before the Orient game.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:26 am

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:07 am
No it won’t I’ve watched Burnley for 30 years and we’ve still not averaged below 10k to my knowledge

We were getting crowds of below 10,000 early on in the 2013/14 season, before the crowds were adjusted up to take accound of non-attending season ticket holders.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:07 am

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:26 am
We were getting crowds of below 10,000 early on in the 2013/14 season, before the crowds were adjusted up to take accound of non-attending season ticket holders.

We weren’t averaging below 10k and I think you know we won’t next season

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:23 am

A few new signings, and the prospect of Kompany may attract a few walk-on's, but a lot will depend how we're faring in the league, near the top and crowds will hold up fine, however if we're toiling in mid-table or lower I can see a rapid fall, and it's not impossible some of the less attractive mid week games see gates below 10k.

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:29 am

If we start badly, and I don't think we will, the crowds will go below 10,000

How long have you been watching Burnley?

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:38 am

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:26 am
We were getting crowds of below 10,000 early on in the 2013/14 season, before the crowds were adjusted up to take accound of non-attending season ticket holders.

That’s not what happened from my understanding. 9,600 v Birmingham was the only one I recall below 10K, and they brought about 400. 2013/14 and the following season 2014/15 our crowds appeared accurate to the bums on seats figure.

The ticket office had responsibility taken from then for those two seasons, and if you look at the 2014/15 PL season you’ll see many “sell outs” with crowds varying quite a lot around 19,800 - 21,700. I had chats with Claret Tony and Daz Bentley at the time, as well as the ticket office.

The reason I was given was that whomever had been given responsibility had not been following the correct way, and it all blew up when Baldwin arrived and announced 12,500 season tickets sold, and then the crowd v Birmingham in August 2015/16 was announced lower than the season ticket sales number he had publicly given. He kicked off about it and a statement was made in the press, changing the Birmingham figure to over 15,000 (holiday season effect).

So it seems those two seasons were a more or less accurate view of our crowds.

We started messing with the tickets sold thing in the early 2000’s. Inflate the Gate with that Blackburn fan CEO we had etc. we did, then we didn’t, then did again. We even gave two figures for a couple of years.

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:45 am

I know at least 5 people, including me who are all desperate to start going again after we stopped going on because of Dycheball (yes we are plastic fans, blah, blah, blah)... I've done my time watching Burnley over 40 years and I'm not stupid enough anymore to sit through dross as I did back then every week... We all work hard and should demand to be entertained or at least an attempt at it while also trying to win at the same time. Football clubs take advantage of our loyalty at times...

Just waiting to see if we hire a progressive manager first to give us an indication of the style of play... Never again will I sit through SD-type football on a regular basis. I have a life and would rather be sitting in a nice restaurant, cinema, show, gig or theatre for the same price with virtually guaranteed entertainment... There's a lot of competition these days instead of going to watch a football match and as we have seen recently with the ever-increasing number of empty seats at Turf Moor, unadventurous endurance type football is not enough!

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:16 pm

BigChaCha wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:45 am
I know at least 5 people, including me who are all desperate to start going again after we stopped going on because of Dycheball (yes we are plastic fans, blah, blah, blah)... I've done my time watching Burnley over 40 years and I'm not stupid enough anymore to sit through dross as I did back then every week... We all work hard and should demand to be entertained or at least an attempt at it while also trying to win at the same time. Football clubs take advantage of our loyalty at times...

Just waiting to see if we hire a progressive manager first to give us an indication of the style of play... Never again will I sit through SD-type football on a regular basis. I have a life and would rather be sitting in a nice restaurant, cinema, show, gig or theatre for the same price with virtually guaranteed entertainment... There's a lot of competition these days instead of going to watch a football match and as we have seen recently with the ever-increasing number of empty seats at Turf Moor, unadventurous endurance type football is not enough!

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#Yes the home crowds drooped quite a bit last season. In my view not proper fans the ones who didnt go. Excpet you of course!!!

I just wonder though how you expected Dyche's teams to play and remain in the premier League against some teams who have had billions spent on them and the rest who have sepnt millions, whikst Dyche had seeet fa to spend.

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:37 pm

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#Yes the home crowds drooped quite a bit last season. In my view not proper fans the ones who didnt go. Excpet you of course!!!

I just wonder though how you expected Dyche's teams to play and remain in the premier League against some teams who have had billions spent on them and the rest who have sepnt millions, whikst Dyche had seeet fa to spend.

I have tried to decipher that absolutely appalling attempt at English and I've come to the conclusion that you've missed the point entirely and are not worth having a conservation with!

bodge · Post by **bodge** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:49 pm

Come on ChaCha it was a fair question and he's probably posting from a mobile, thus the typos.

Oh and it's conversation not conservation, I think I've deciphered that properly !

AwayClaret · Post by **AwayClaret** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:51 pm

Haha classic!

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:19 pm

Oh and it's conversation not conservation, I think I've deciphered that properly !

Well done. You have found my Easter Egg but you didn't quite decipher that properly so I have corrected it for you below -

Oh and it's a conversation, not conservation, I think I've deciphered that properly!

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:24 pm

BigChaCha wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:29 am
How long have you been watching Burnley?

Since 1962.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:25 pm

BigChaCha wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:37 pm
I have tried to decipher that absolutely appalling attempt at English and I've come to the conclusion that you've missed the point entirely and are not worth having a conservation with!

Cracked me up that

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:51 pm

Club have tweeted that over 13,500 season tickets sold so far

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:18 pm

15, 961.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:22 pm

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:51 pm
Club have tweeted that over 13,500 season tickets sold so far

More than last season they say

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:04 pm

Just looked at some figures following relegation from the Premier League to see whether there was any drop after the first season.

2009/10 - 20,653 (Premier League)
2010/11 - 14,930
2011/12 - 14,048
2012/13 - 12,928
2013/15 - 13,721 (promotion season)
2014/15 - 19,130 (Premier League)
2015/16 - 16,823 (promotion season)

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:18 pm

2010/11 - 14,930

The Brian Laws effect.

2014/15 - 19,130 (Premier League)

The Lee Hoos effect.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:45 pm

If we've sold 13,500 STs, they'll always be counted I believe.
Away support average will be pretty good with Black**** X 2, Preston, Sheff U, Sunderland, Middlesboro, Hull, Hudd etc. Pulled down by such as Norwich, QPR, Reading, Bristol City but decent followings usually for such as Stoke, Coventry, WBA, Cardiff. Expect minimum of 1500 average.
Home walk-ons will depend on how successful we are but I can see our average quoted gates in the range 15,500- 17,000/17,500.
Let's hope we have some big gates/big atmospheres and good performances.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:10 pm

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:16 pm

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:10 pm
15K

So you don't think there will be any walk ons then?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:18 pm

Will we be able to pay on the gate?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:20 pm

Goody1975 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:18 pm
2010/11 - 14,930

The Brian Laws effect.

2014/15 - 19,130 (Premier League)

The Lee Hoos effect.

It seemed to get lower under Howe and even Dyche for a while.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:35 am

Blackburn, Blackpool , PNE and Burnley all play in the same league for the 1st time since 1961, so we should hopefully be guaranteed a 17000 plus gate on those occasions with a cracking derby atmosphere

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:52 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:16 pm
So you don't think there will be any walk ons then?

Not many.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:01 am

I think quite a few will return now they won’t need neck braces to watch the football on offer

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:19 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:01 am
I think quite a few will return now they won’t need neck braces to watch the football on offer

Neck brace

My thoughts too. Already sold more than last year. If we got some exciting young players (Twine, etc) & had a decent pre-season, wouldn’t shock me to see us pushing 15k ST’s.

Paddy1882 · Post by **Paddy1882** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:28 am

I think anywhere between 15-16k average would be very acceptable in the current climate, times are tough at the moment so some walk ons May have to go to a few less games than they normally would or may not be able to afford it altogether, perfectly understandable as well. For what it’s worth I too know of 5/6 people who only renewed because Dyche went but each to their own I guess.