Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[MACCA]

Any rumours?

Not on here, you'd be better off going on the Transfer Rumour Thread

[ClaretTony]

Hmm! I'm all for playing youth, but the prospect of a 19 year old keeper behind an inexperienced CB pairing would concern me TBH.

I’m getting very confused now with TBH since we signed THB

[Garnerssoap]

Very difficult to make the top 3 in the Championship unless you have a striker capable of getting you 20 goals plus in a season. Aside from last seson in 2020/21 Norwich had one of the leading scorers in Pukki and 3rd placed Brentford had Ivan Toney in their ranks.

During the early part of the 2015/16 season Burnley looked anything but title contenders and Bookies Coral pushed us out to 33/1 for the Championship title when I placed a chunky Each Way bet safe in the knowledge that the signing of Andre Gray was imminent. The bet was struck on the 22nd August 2015 so the season was well underway. Without Gray's goals that season we would have been nowhere near winning the title that season.

I made a bundle that season as well but only put it on when we beat hull on a wet midweek evening - got 8-1 though. Went to Marbs the Monday after charlton. Happy days. Same again this season please (although I doubt it will be)

[NewClaret]

Belgian press suggesting that we’ve had a bid turned down from Anderlecht for 19 year old keeper Verbruggen, believed to be around 3m euros.

I am getting really scared now…!

I can’t see us shelling out 3m on a reserve keeper and signing a 19 yo to be #1 is ludicrous.

[TickTock]

Hmm! I'm all for playing youth, but the prospect of a 19 year old keeper behind an inexperienced CB pairing would concern me TBH.

The hope would be to bring him in as a backup to Muric

[Quicknick]

The hope would be to bring him in as a backup to Muric

For 3M?

[Newcastleclaret93]

I am getting really scared now…!

I can’t see us shelling out 3m on a reserve keeper and signing a 19 yo to be #1 is ludicrous.

Must admit that is really concerning

[NewClaret]

No financial discussion. Thread title says it all.

[tiger76]

The hope would be to bring him in as a backup to Muric

Well if we're bringing in Muric and this young lad, then surely at least one of BPF, Hennessey or Norris will be on their way.

[Nori1958]

Well if we're bringing in Muric and this young lad, then surely at least one of BPF, Hennessey or Norris will be on their way.

I'd say at least two of them

[Paul Waine]

For 3M?

Euro 3 million is less than GBP 2.6 million.

However, other than clarifying the currency and exchange rate, we are sticking to the "no financial discussion" rules.

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[jedi_master]

Not being realistic as 2 of those signings you have brought up have played consistently at the same level or higher level of football, Bastien played in the seria A for two years, Cullen has had minutes in the premier league and a season long loan in the championship of consistent football. Furthermore how do you know we cant afford a solid goal scorer permanently because its been made explicit Kompany has been provided the funds I believe you and others at the moment are resting in a permeant negative mindset and that's fine but try and not put a downer on everyone else's excitement because of your own irrational beliefs and or comments based on a chronic lack of facts

You couldn’t be more wrong on my own feelings on this subject. You’ve taken everything I’ve said out of context (I was replying to RVClaret - the most positive poster on this subject - and AGREEING with him that it would be hard to afford a proven scorer at this level).

Check my post prior to this one on the same thread where I’ve said our signings are shrewd and said I’m excited? I am sitting on the fence, as opposed to being mindlessly positive, but also not averse to realism (sorry, ‘negativity’ either).

I think we’ve made exciting signings, I’m excited by Kompany and the project itself - I also think it’s worth a bit of caution when you see that barely any of the players we’re signing have played at this level of football, so it will take time and understanding. Expectations of an immediate top 2 push are difficult, for me, to comprehend based on our business thus far. I feel we’re a goal scorer away from looking a good side (on paper). Why you’ve taken this viewpoint as mindless negativity is beyond me. A shame.

[tiger76]

I'd say at least two of them

Possibly and if we can't offer any of them the prospect of 1st team footy, they'd be wise to move on for the sake of their own careers.

[Claretnick]

I am getting really scared now…!

I can’t see us shelling out 3m on a reserve keeper and signing a 19 yo to be #1 is ludicrous.

Why are you scared?
I doubt this 19yo keeper would be number 1 but hey what do we know. Presumably the manager has seen enough of him at Anderlecht to value him at this amount of fee.
I will be sitting back and letting matters unfold, there is nothing we can do to influence the way the club is going forward.
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[NewClaret]

Why are you scared?
I doubt this 19yo keeper would be number 1 but hey what do we know. Presumably the manager has seen enough of him at Anderlecht to value him at this amount of fee.
I will be sitting back and letting matters unfold, there is nothing we can do to influence the way the club is going forward.
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Why am I scared? Good question.

When we went down I thought we’d be well placed to come back up. Bare in mind this was pre Kompany announcement & I thought at that stage we might keep Pieters & Vydra, definitely Mee. I expected to lose Pope, but keep Hennessey & BPF (two good International keepers).

Now it looks like we’re losing all six. That’s before you consider potentially losing a few others.

Keeper wise I can’t see us spending the reported 4m on Muric and 3m on this 19yo. 7m on keepers when you have two very proficient ones would be ludicrous. He may be a gem but you need a very solid defence to go up and playing a team of kids, especially at the back, is a very risky business.

I’m all for the refresh & exited to see Kompany’s babes, but youth needs experience along side it to learn from. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m just sensing a bit too much unproven talent at the moment. Especially at the back.

[eastcoastclaret]

Why am I scared? Good question.

When we went down I thought we’d be well placed to come back up. Bare in mind this was pre Kompany announcement & I thought at that stage we might keep Pieters & Vydra, definitely Mee. I expected to lose Pope, but keep Hennessey & BPF (two good International keepers).

Now it looks like we’re losing all six. That’s before you consider potentially losing a few others.

Keeper wise I can’t see us spending the reported 4m on Muric and 3m on this 19yo. 7m on keepers when you have two very proficient ones would be ludicrous. He may be a gem but you need a very solid defence to go up and playing a team of kids, especially at the back, is a very risky business.

I’m all for the refresh & exited to see Kompany’s babes, but youth needs experience along side it to learn from. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m just sensing a bit too much unproven talent at the moment. Especially at the back.

We still have Collins, Roberts and Taylor at the back

[ClaretTony]

We still have Collins, Roberts and Taylor at the back

For now we do

[eastcoastclaret]

For now we do

You can only base an opinion on the here and now.

[jtv]

Ominous Tony - heard anything specific?

[ClaretTony]

Ominous Tony - heard anything specific?

No, but there are very likely to be sales.

[RVclaret]

No, but there are very likely to be sales.

Let’s see what happens. Every player has a price, hope we hold out for decent fees, which may put some clubs off - see us with Coventry and O’Hare.

[taio]

No, but there are very likely to be sales.

I'd be very surprised if there weren't two or three outgoings. I'd be stunned if there were none.

[warksclaret]

If Hennessy is destined to move to Forest when we have found a suitable first team GK, then Ben Foster is an option as your back-up keeper, and someone who can step in if your new No 1 does not turn out to be of the quality you thought he might be. Very experienced, like Hennessy, lots of games in both Premier & Championship and FREE-he is training with WBA. Even the top clubs have an older experienced GK they can fall back on ie Heaton, Carson, Lee Grant before he retired and I think Chelsea a few years ago had Rob Green.Sort this out and you can then free a wage by letting Peacock Farrell go on loan or sale, and keep Norris as No 3

[RVclaret]

I'd be very surprised if there weren't two or three outgoings. I'd be stunned if there were none.

If you reluctantly had to lose 2/3 of the ones with known interest, which would they be?

[Tricky Trevor]

I’d have Tom Heaton back in a heartbeat.

[Nori1958]

Let’s see what happens. Every player has a price, hope we hold out for decent fees, which may put some clubs off - see us with Coventry and O’Hare.

My opinion, just based on gut feeling and reading the press, I think Cornet will be off soon.. We don't want that dragging on.
Not sure who would pay 30m for Collins, only a big club, and he wouldn't play, so stay for a season
Not sure, after a poor season that they'll be many suitors for Dwight
Lowton may go, but that's covered....

[taio]

If you reluctantly had to lose 2/3 of the ones with known interest, which would they be?

Tough call. Depends what other clubs would be prepared to pay.

[warksclaret]

Can see Lowton not getting much game time if Roberts stays. In which case could see him going to a northern or midlands based Championship club to both play and add cover ie WBA, or Sheff Utd, probably on loan or for a small fee

[RVclaret]

Cornet has been linked with a move to Fulham in today’s Mirror. Nothing online yet but it was in the paper.

[Top Claret]

If we could keep 3 or 4 of last season's squad on board would be great to blend in with the rookies we have signed, but I feel that we have a fair bit of outgoing sales before the window closes and that could put a different outlook on our promotion chances.i hope Kompany digs in and puts his foot down or we could be in for a long and painful season





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[ClaretPete001]

We still have Collins, Roberts and Taylor at the back

As others have pointed out, for now but that’s only 3 players across the defence.

In 2015/16 we had 5 centre halves: Mee, Tarkowski, Keane, Long and Duff.

2 of them went onto play for England and a third highly rated in the PL.

[Spijed]

When was the last time a club changed its first eleven by at least five players from the previous season and went on to do well?

Can't think of any. Very worrying.

There may be exceptions, and even Crystal Palace did ok. But generally it tends not to end well at all.

[nil_desperandum]

I’d have Tom Heaton back in a heartbeat.

Is that based on his league appearances in the past 2 and a half seasons?

[RVclaret]

As others have pointed out, for now but that’s only 3 players across the defence.

In 2015/16 we had 5 centre halves: Mee, Tarkowski, Keane, Long and Duff.

2 of them went onto play for England and a third highly rated in the PL.

Keane was England 21s, Mee had never played CB for us after arriving as City’s 23s captain, while Duff was an international CB.

Harwood Bellis is England 21s captain, Egan Riley arrives from being City 23s captain while Collins is an international CB.

Some interesting similarities there!

[Nori1958]

When was the last time a club changed its first eleven by at least five players from the previous season and went on to do well?

Can't think of any. Very worrying.

There may be exceptions, and even Crystal Palace did ok. But generally it tends not to end well at all.

Fulham last season..?

[ClaretMov]

I’d have Tom Heaton back in a heartbeat.

Have you been in the sun all day

[TsarBomba]

When was the last time a club changed its first eleven by at least five players from the previous season and went on to do well?

Can't think of any. Very worrying.

There may be exceptions, and even Crystal Palace did ok. But generally it tends not to end well at all.

Yep, but this is what happens when you kick the can down the road for as long as we have.

And we’re having to do it at the same time as getting relegated, employing a new manager who will always want to bring his own players in, and having a tonne of OOC players.

As fans, we’ve been saying it for years. Entirely our own fault, but hopefully Kompany can pull off a miracle.

[Swizzlestick]

When was the last time a club changed its first eleven by at least five players from the previous season and went on to do well?

Can't think of any. Very worrying.

There may be exceptions, and even Crystal Palace did ok. But generally it tends not to end well at all.

Fulham?

EDIT - looks like somebody beat me to it. We were always going to have to rebuild, it’s odd this seems a surprise to some people.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Fulham?

EDIT - looks like somebody beat me to it. We were always going to have to rebuild, it’s odd this seems a surprise to some people.

Fulham is a fair point but didn’t they only sign three players that came into the team?

The rest of the players were either in there squad already or in the u23s

[ClaretPete001]

Keane was England 21s, Mee had never played CB for us after arriving as City’s 23s captain, while Duff was an international CB.

Harwood Bellis is England 21s captain, Egan Riley arrives from being City 23s captain while Collins is an international CB.

Some interesting similarities there!

Duff, Tarkowski, Mee and Long were all experienced players available to play centre half albeit Long hadn’t many appearances under his belt.

Michael Keane had a couple weeks of seasons in the Championship and one in the Prem by 2015/16.

[Swizzlestick]

Fulham is a fair point but didn’t they only sign three players that came into the team?

The rest of the players were either in there squad already or in the u23s

I would imagine promoting lads from the u23’s would’ve been considered high risk at the time. Anyway it was mainly to refute spijed’s point that this kind of rebuild is somehow unique when it isn’t really.

[RVclaret]

Duff, Tarkowski, Mee and Long were all experienced players available to play centre half albeit Long hadn’t many appearances under his belt.

Michael Keane had a couple weeks of seasons in the Championship and one in the Prem by 2015/16.

Tarkowski wasn’t signed until January that year and didn’t start a game. Mee didn’t start at centre half until January. No one knew at that point they’d go on to get into the England team etc. Same with the selection of centre halves now albeit arguably Collins is more talented than the lot.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I would imagine promoting lads from the u23’s would’ve been considered high risk at the time. Anyway it was mainly to refute spijed’s point that this kind of rebuild is somehow unique when it isn’t really.

He’s got a pretty fair point.

I can’t think of any team that’s brought in 7-8 players into the team in a window and been promoted.

I’m hopeful that if we keep our top talent we will be up there. But I can understand peoples concerns

[Spijed]

I would imagine promoting lads from the u23’s would’ve been considered high risk at the time. Anyway it was mainly to refute spijed’s point that this kind of rebuild is somehow unique when it isn’t really.

I know it's not unique, but those who have to do it generally don't have much success, at least not in the first season. We might get lucky but history shows it tends to take quite a while for a new team to gel.

[RVclaret]

He’s got a pretty fair point.

I can’t think of any team that’s brought in 7-8 players into the team in a window and been promoted.

I’m hopeful that if we keep our top talent we will be up there. But I can understand peoples concerns

Bournemouth brought in 13 new players last season and got promoted.

[Swizzlestick]

Yeah i was going to say, Bournemouth were signing a player seemingly every other day last summer. I get the concerns but it doesn’t help when folk just throw things out there.

[Nori1958]

Bournemouth brought in 13 new players last season and got promoted.

It started with no team making 5 changes, the goalposts then moved to 7 or 8 players...what happens now

[randomclaret2]

When was the last time a club changed its first eleven by at least five players from the previous season and went on to do well?

Can't think of any. Very worrying.

There may be exceptions, and even Crystal Palace did ok. But generally it tends not to end well at all.

What else is the club supposed to do, given the number of over 30s in the squad, due to the previous regime not refreshing the squad for several years ...keep playing them all till they are 40 ?

[RVclaret]

It started with no team making 5 changes, the goalposts then moved to 7 or 8 players...what happens now

Both the two promoted teams last season too

[ClaretPete001]

Tarkowski wasn’t signed until January that year and didn’t start a game. Mee didn’t start at centre half until January. No one knew at that point they’d go on to get into the England team etc. Same with the selection of centre halves now albeit arguably Collins is more talented than the lot.

I suppose it’s all about opinions but whichever way you look at it in 2015/16 we had a goalkeeper vying for an England call up. 5 experienced centre half’s for much of the season.

A Republic of Ireland left back who at least one person on here rates as highly as anything we have had since the 70s and a right back just signed from a Pl club.

If you can see any parallels between that and where we stand today facing more departures then so be it.