Kompany costs us 2 points

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:48 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:47 pm
If you read my comments on the other threads about Barnes, then you'll know what I think about his contributions to the team nowadays.

You seem to be contradicting yourself in that you say you have zero concerns, but then point out what needs addressing.

I have several concerns at present, although their only what others have are also saying.
I would be concerned if they don't get addressed - they have 2 weeks to sort it. So as of now, no, I have no concerns

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by GeorgeBoydsHeadBand » Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:48 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:54 pm
Awful management from Kompany as he never Heard of game management we literally gifted Blackpool the points. Blackpool were excellent 2nd half and thoroughly deserved a point if not 3, for that 2nd half performance.

We are naive and need to know when to put our foot through the ball instead trying to football our way out of trouble .

Bloody entertaining though and the atmosphere was amazing with the Fishwick stand bouncing. We never got atmosphere like that in the premier League, with no tourist fans insight, no mobile phones clicking pics and genuine proper fans
Seriously!! awful management from Kompany. Those players on the pitch should have seen that game won. Individual players were the problem, not the Manager.

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by Bosscat » Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:49 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:42 pm
Please tell me that’s a joke. Fans talk about patience and overhauls and welcoming a new approach. Then within relative seconds they start to turn. See the bigger picture ffs, what he’s trying to do is really difficult. He needs a whole season at least to get this (very new) squad playing consistent and effective football. Including the learning curve he’ll go on himself of course.
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:49 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:48 pm
I would be concerned if they don't get addressed - they have 2 weeks to sort it. So as of now, no, I have no concerns
When did you get so positive? :D

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by AlargeClaret » Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:49 pm

The Barnes one was odd , fair enough rest Jay he’d played well though no change needed till 75 mins surely as for the Tella sub bizzare

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:51 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:49 pm
When did you get so positive? :D
I know, need a word with myself ! Enjoying the football mate, knowing we are going to be competitive in all the games and not wondering if we will have a shot on goal and how many Man City will score is quite therapeutic :D !
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by Top Claret » Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:51 pm

GeorgeBoydsHeadBand wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:48 pm
Seriously!! awful management from Kompany. Those players on the pitch should have seen that game won. Individual players were the problem, not the Manager.

They followed his instructions to the letter, although I agree they should have shown some responsibility

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by northeastclaret » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:02 pm

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned but Jay had an ice pack put on his leg when he came off, so would appear that was likely to have influenced with his early substitution?

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by ashtonlongsider » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:10 pm

Not one for a knee jerk reaction but in the end that draw felt like a defeat. I hope lessons have been learnt, the first being we need more height in the team, this is a physical league.

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by Longsidejono » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:12 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:24 pm
That's utter rubbish! Poor defending cost us the 2nd and 3rd goals.

We was 3-1 up in the first half (due to a poor pass from the keeper, looking back Cullen could of also cleared it and told his keeper don’t do that!)

Then everytime the keeper touched the ball the crowd was on his back bound to make the team play differently

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:26 pm

I agree with the sentiment.
But

Debut or not It was Tella's full debut. Bringing him off on the 72nd minute when we had a two-goal cushion seems a very standard change. Clear he will be a big player for us so needs managing especially early doors.
We can only point to it as the catalyst of our downfall with 20/20 hindsight. We go on to win that 3-1 and no one questions that substitution.

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by Leisure » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:30 pm

Longsidejono wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:12 pm
We was 3-1 up in the first half (due to a poor pass from the keeper, looking back Cullen could of also cleared it and told his keeper don’t do that!)

Then everytime the keeper touched the ball the crowd was on his back bound to make the team play differently
So why is that Kompany's fault???

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:32 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:26 pm
Debut or not It was Tella's full debut.
*Hatrick or not.

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by timshorts » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:40 pm

The hasbeen watching it on sky sports (can't remember who it was, but he reported on the game very fairly) said that tella had taken a knock - before he got taken off a few minutes later.
If so then fair enough.
With maatsen off, it was a good chance to put the new Irish cb on and move Charlie out to left back, but he wasn't on the bench.....

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by Longsidejono » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:55 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:30 pm
So why is that Kompany's fault???
Exactly why I said it was the fans fault in the original reply if you have the sense to reply have the sense to read 😂😂😂😂😂😂😘

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by Bornandbred92 » Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:03 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:42 pm
Please tell me that’s a joke. Fans talk about patience and overhauls and welcoming a new approach. Then within relative seconds they start to turn. See the bigger picture ffs, what he’s trying to do is really difficult. He needs a whole season at least to get this (very new) squad playing consistent and effective football. Including the learning curve he’ll go on himself of course.
I'm not turning on him or failing to see the bigger picture. I'm simply stating that the changes made today we're obviously very costly.

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by It Is What It Is » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:10 am

Our game plan and substitutions cost us dearly 2nd half.
VK thinking 3.1 up...maybe thinking 3 points in the bag...I'll mix it up a bit with the subs and tactics.
No blame anywhere, just a big learning lesson for all the players and VK and his staff.
We played some really good football, we are getting there. We just have to be patient while things develop on and off the pitch.
VK is the right man for us.

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by spt_claret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:30 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:47 pm
over 20K on today - we wouldn't have sold anywhere near the number of season tickets with Dyche in charge, you only have to look at the dwindling attendances last season to see that thousands of people completely disagree with you
Completely agree, the owners have done wonders for the financial health of the club by boosting those season ticket sales, relegation and debt or not. The terraces are never wrong.
Except when they were critical yesterday.

For the avoidance of doubt- I'm being completely sarcastic to make the point that 'the crowd disagree' or 'attendance is up' is a terrible argument regarding someone's football management ability.
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by 9thMay1987 » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:30 am

I would have thought with 20 mins left in Mr Dyche time we would have, Long and Lowton on the bench , and brought them on to shore and bulk up the defence and see the gane out.

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by Ric_C » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:49 am

To me it had the air of "let's rest Jay's and Tella's legs" and "let's give Darko some minutes" and it backfired.
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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by vinrogue » Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:15 pm

Blackpool's 3 goals were defensive errors. I find it hard to blame VK, players made mistakes. It is refreshing to see we are trying to use substitutes to influence the game. In the long run it will keep players competing for a start but knowing they will get on for at least 30 minutes. Long old season especially with our Cup Run predicted to be better than previously!

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by alwaysaclaret » Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:02 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:16 pm
At this level, if we scored three goals under Dyche, then you knew we'd win the game.
Big question is, would we have scored the 3 goals.

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:46 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:02 pm
Big question is, would we have scored the 3 goals.
We did plenty of times under Dyche at this level.

31/08/13 Derby county (a) won 3-0
17/09/13 Birmingham (h) won 3-0
28/09/13 Charlton (h) won 3-0
01/01/14 Huddersfield (h) won 3-2
08/02/14 Millwall (h) won 3-1
22/02/14 Nottingham forest (h) won 3-1
22/03/14 Charlton (a) won 3-0

12/09/15 Sheffield Wednesday (h) won 3-1
03/11/15 Fulham (h) won 3-1
19/12/15 Charlton (h) won 4-0
28/12/15 Bristol city (h) won 4-0
12/01/16 MK Dons (a) won 5-0
15/01/16 Brentford (a) won 3-1
25/01/16 Derby (h) won 4-1
08/03/16 Fulham (a) won 3-2
12/03/16 Huddersfield (a) won 3-1
07/05/16 Charlton (a) won 3-0

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by Bornandbred92 » Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:16 pm

vinrogue wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:15 pm
Blackpool's 3 goals were defensive errors. I find it hard to blame VK, players made mistakes. It is refreshing to see we are trying to use substitutes to influence the game. In the long run it will keep players competing for a start but knowing they will get on for at least 30 minutes. Long old season especially with our Cup Run predicted to be better than previously!
I know what your saying but in this case attack may have been our best form of defence. We lost our attacking threat when he made the changes

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Re: Kompany costs us 2 points

Post by burnleymik » Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:18 pm

Bornandbred92 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:16 pm
I know what your saying but in this case attack may have been our best form of defence. We lost our attacking threat when he made the changes
We also lost our shape, which created space for Blackpool.

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