I would be concerned if they don't get addressed - they have 2 weeks to sort it. So as of now, no, I have no concernsfidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:47 pmIf you read my comments on the other threads about Barnes, then you'll know what I think about his contributions to the team nowadays.
You seem to be contradicting yourself in that you say you have zero concerns, but then point out what needs addressing.
I have several concerns at present, although their only what others have are also saying.
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Seriously!! awful management from Kompany. Those players on the pitch should have seen that game won. Individual players were the problem, not the Manager.Top Claret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:54 pmAwful management from Kompany as he never Heard of game management we literally gifted Blackpool the points. Blackpool were excellent 2nd half and thoroughly deserved a point if not 3, for that 2nd half performance.
We are naive and need to know when to put our foot through the ball instead trying to football our way out of trouble .
Bloody entertaining though and the atmosphere was amazing with the Fishwick stand bouncing. We never got atmosphere like that in the premier League, with no tourist fans insight, no mobile phones clicking pics and genuine proper fans
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What wills sayswillsclarets wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:42 pmPlease tell me that’s a joke. Fans talk about patience and overhauls and welcoming a new approach. Then within relative seconds they start to turn. See the bigger picture ffs, what he’s trying to do is really difficult. He needs a whole season at least to get this (very new) squad playing consistent and effective football. Including the learning curve he’ll go on himself of course.
As I said on the Churlinov thread (the OP couldn't even spell his name right ) there are some proper weapons on here ... lets give a team a chance to gel and start working together AS A TEAM ...
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When did you get so positive?Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:48 pmI would be concerned if they don't get addressed - they have 2 weeks to sort it. So as of now, no, I have no concerns
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The Barnes one was odd , fair enough rest Jay he’d played well though no change needed till 75 mins surely as for the Tella sub bizzare
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I know, need a word with myself ! Enjoying the football mate, knowing we are going to be competitive in all the games and not wondering if we will have a shot on goal and how many Man City will score is quite therapeutic !
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GeorgeBoydsHeadBand wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:48 pmSeriously!! awful management from Kompany. Those players on the pitch should have seen that game won. Individual players were the problem, not the Manager.
They followed his instructions to the letter, although I agree they should have shown some responsibility
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I don’t know if it’s been mentioned but Jay had an ice pack put on his leg when he came off, so would appear that was likely to have influenced with his early substitution?
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Not one for a knee jerk reaction but in the end that draw felt like a defeat. I hope lessons have been learnt, the first being we need more height in the team, this is a physical league.
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We was 3-1 up in the first half (due to a poor pass from the keeper, looking back Cullen could of also cleared it and told his keeper don’t do that!)
Then everytime the keeper touched the ball the crowd was on his back bound to make the team play differently
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I agree with the sentiment.
But
Debut or not It was Tella's full debut. Bringing him off on the 72nd minute when we had a two-goal cushion seems a very standard change. Clear he will be a big player for us so needs managing especially early doors.
We can only point to it as the catalyst of our downfall with 20/20 hindsight. We go on to win that 3-1 and no one questions that substitution.
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Debut or not It was Tella's full debut. Bringing him off on the 72nd minute when we had a two-goal cushion seems a very standard change. Clear he will be a big player for us so needs managing especially early doors.
We can only point to it as the catalyst of our downfall with 20/20 hindsight. We go on to win that 3-1 and no one questions that substitution.
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So why is that Kompany's fault???Longsidejono wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:12 pmWe was 3-1 up in the first half (due to a poor pass from the keeper, looking back Cullen could of also cleared it and told his keeper don’t do that!)
Then everytime the keeper touched the ball the crowd was on his back bound to make the team play differently
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*Hatrick or not.
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The hasbeen watching it on sky sports (can't remember who it was, but he reported on the game very fairly) said that tella had taken a knock - before he got taken off a few minutes later.
If so then fair enough.
With maatsen off, it was a good chance to put the new Irish cb on and move Charlie out to left back, but he wasn't on the bench.....
If so then fair enough.
With maatsen off, it was a good chance to put the new Irish cb on and move Charlie out to left back, but he wasn't on the bench.....
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I'm not turning on him or failing to see the bigger picture. I'm simply stating that the changes made today we're obviously very costly.willsclarets wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:42 pmPlease tell me that’s a joke. Fans talk about patience and overhauls and welcoming a new approach. Then within relative seconds they start to turn. See the bigger picture ffs, what he’s trying to do is really difficult. He needs a whole season at least to get this (very new) squad playing consistent and effective football. Including the learning curve he’ll go on himself of course.
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Our game plan and substitutions cost us dearly 2nd half.
VK thinking 3.1 up...maybe thinking 3 points in the bag...I'll mix it up a bit with the subs and tactics.
No blame anywhere, just a big learning lesson for all the players and VK and his staff.
We played some really good football, we are getting there. We just have to be patient while things develop on and off the pitch.
VK is the right man for us.
VK thinking 3.1 up...maybe thinking 3 points in the bag...I'll mix it up a bit with the subs and tactics.
No blame anywhere, just a big learning lesson for all the players and VK and his staff.
We played some really good football, we are getting there. We just have to be patient while things develop on and off the pitch.
VK is the right man for us.
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Completely agree, the owners have done wonders for the financial health of the club by boosting those season ticket sales, relegation and debt or not. The terraces are never wrong.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:47 pmover 20K on today - we wouldn't have sold anywhere near the number of season tickets with Dyche in charge, you only have to look at the dwindling attendances last season to see that thousands of people completely disagree with you
Except when they were critical yesterday.
For the avoidance of doubt- I'm being completely sarcastic to make the point that 'the crowd disagree' or 'attendance is up' is a terrible argument regarding someone's football management ability.
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I would have thought with 20 mins left in Mr Dyche time we would have, Long and Lowton on the bench , and brought them on to shore and bulk up the defence and see the gane out.
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To me it had the air of "let's rest Jay's and Tella's legs" and "let's give Darko some minutes" and it backfired.
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Blackpool's 3 goals were defensive errors. I find it hard to blame VK, players made mistakes. It is refreshing to see we are trying to use substitutes to influence the game. In the long run it will keep players competing for a start but knowing they will get on for at least 30 minutes. Long old season especially with our Cup Run predicted to be better than previously!
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Big question is, would we have scored the 3 goals.fidelcastro wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:16 pmAt this level, if we scored three goals under Dyche, then you knew we'd win the game.
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We did plenty of times under Dyche at this level.
31/08/13 Derby county (a) won 3-0
17/09/13 Birmingham (h) won 3-0
28/09/13 Charlton (h) won 3-0
01/01/14 Huddersfield (h) won 3-2
08/02/14 Millwall (h) won 3-1
22/02/14 Nottingham forest (h) won 3-1
22/03/14 Charlton (a) won 3-0
12/09/15 Sheffield Wednesday (h) won 3-1
03/11/15 Fulham (h) won 3-1
19/12/15 Charlton (h) won 4-0
28/12/15 Bristol city (h) won 4-0
12/01/16 MK Dons (a) won 5-0
15/01/16 Brentford (a) won 3-1
25/01/16 Derby (h) won 4-1
08/03/16 Fulham (a) won 3-2
12/03/16 Huddersfield (a) won 3-1
07/05/16 Charlton (a) won 3-0
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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I know what your saying but in this case attack may have been our best form of defence. We lost our attacking threat when he made the changesvinrogue wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:15 pmBlackpool's 3 goals were defensive errors. I find it hard to blame VK, players made mistakes. It is refreshing to see we are trying to use substitutes to influence the game. In the long run it will keep players competing for a start but knowing they will get on for at least 30 minutes. Long old season especially with our Cup Run predicted to be better than previously!
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We also lost our shape, which created space for Blackpool.Bornandbred92 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:16 pmI know what your saying but in this case attack may have been our best form of defence. We lost our attacking threat when he made the changes