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Bullied again

Post by Bazer1882 » Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:20 pm

:twisted: When teams dont sit back against us
We are proned to getting easily pushed onto the back foot.
Luton
Blackpool
And same again today.
Are we too small at the Back?

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Re: Bullied again

Post by beddie » Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:52 pm

Yes, I think we all know a dominant centre half would make a difference. Today was a prime example, a Tarky/Mee type would not have allowed McBurney to dominate in the box. It perhaps needed a result like today to make that position a priority in January.
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Re: Bullied again

Post by bumba » Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:00 pm

Wonder what Rovers tactics will be next week with Gallagher and Diaz both as tall if not taller than Mcburnie

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Re: Bullied again

Post by MACCA » Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:07 pm

His distribution his his apparent strong point, well today that was bobbins, his actual goal keeping terrible.

I've never see such a big goalkeepers weakness be jumping and catching the ball.
His commandment of his 6 yard box is appalling, never ming the whole of his box.

We lost the 1st and 2nd contact numerous times today in our own box and that's concerning.

It wouldn't have mattered if it was Southend United or Sheffield United slinging balls into the box today, we just never dealt with them.

Sadly it's been the story of our season so far, we really struggle with crosses into the box.
A goalkeeper that's glued to his line, 2 CB that don't have "the danger nose" imo and get caught ball watching or easily brushed off, and 2 very short fullbacks who don't seem to be as interested in defending as they are attacking

A really bad day at the office today.

Hopefully we see a big reaction next Sunday.
Blackburn have been given the blue print today for how to get sucess against us
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Re: Bullied again

Post by Herts Clarets » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:21 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:07 pm

Hopefully we see a big reaction next Sunday.
Blackburn have been given the blue print today for how to get sucess against us
It's been obvious how to play us all season. Sheffield United were very good at it today but look at the number of points dropped from winning positions from crosses or set pieces. PNE, Cardiff, Stoke, WBA, Birmingham off the top of my head. We would be well clear but for our inability to defend balls into the box.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by dougcollins » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:23 pm

Rovers not so great on headers though, seem to prefer shots, and often from from outside the box.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by basil6345789 » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:29 pm

bumba wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:00 pm
Wonder what Rovers tactics will be next week with Gallagher and Diaz both as tall if not taller than Mcburnie
Plus their big centre half

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Gp8419 » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:30 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:21 pm
It's been obvious how to play us all season. Sheffield United were very good at it today but look at the number of points dropped from winning positions from crosses or set pieces. PNE, Cardiff, Stoke, WBA, Birmingham off the top of my head. We would be well clear but for our inability to defend balls into the box.
That obvious we are top of the league what a plant pot.
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Re: Bullied again

Post by Spijed » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:43 pm

Was expecting more from Grant Hanley when we played Norwich.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:39 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:43 pm
Was expecting more from Grant Hanley when we played Norwich.
Almost as if we dealt with him, and indeed their other big lads on set pieces, well. You can praise us, you know - it is allowed.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Clive 1960 » Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:54 am

I think teams have worked out how to play us and it isn't rocket science, if we don't address this issue we could be in for a few more defeats but hopefully not next week.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:56 am

Clive 1960 wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:54 am
I think teams have worked out how to play us and it isn't rocket science, if we don't address this issue we could be in for a few more defeats but hopefully not next week.
We’ve lost 2 games out of 20 against teams who apparently ‘have worked out how to play us’.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Neil » Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:02 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:56 am
We’ve lost 2 games out of 20 against teams who apparently ‘have worked out how to play us’.
And I'm sure we've been scouted every week since Huddersfield.
I think the panic and over reaction is because yesterday was such a shock. I knew we weren't unbeatable but I just didn't envisage someone being able to take us apart like that.
I was screaming at the TV at the defending like most others but nobody can argue that our lads have earned some patience.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:10 am

Neil wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:02 am
And I'm sure we've been scouted every week since Huddersfield.
I think the panic and over reaction is because yesterday was such a shock. I knew we weren't unbeatable but I just didn't envisage someone being able to take us apart like that.
I was screaming at the TV at the defending like most others but nobody can argue that our lads have earned some patience.
The reaction by some to yesterdays defeat has been ridiculous.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by beddie » Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:20 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:10 am
The reaction by some to yesterdays defeat has been ridiculous.
Maybe Steve but I think it’s the manner of the defeat that’s caused the reaction.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Papabendi » Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:27 am

It seems to have gone unnoticed, but Sheff Utd were not much better at defending set plays. THB should have scored two himself, and there were numerous other opportunities too.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Ampth7 » Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:34 am

Interesting to hear VK talk about hitting the wall physically yesterday in the second half after a brutal run of games.

No doubt we did get overrun/overpowered second half yesterday and with Jay and Josh both absent this seemed to tip the scales too far against us.

However, most posts I read from various supporters on here yesterday rightly criticised our defending and our keepers nightmare performance under the high ball. I’m also fairly certain that every Burnley fan is absolutely delighted with the way we now play and the fact we are top of the league, and so will no doubt continue to support the team throughout understanding that we will lose games along the way.

Having said that, is it not okay for some fans to be critical of certain performances/players when we get dicked 5-2? Surely it’s all about opinions and whilst you don’t have to agree with them, it seems bizarre to me when people start calling others ‘babies’ or ‘clueless Premier league cling on fans’ on a chat forum! 🤣
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Re: Bullied again

Post by expoultryboy » Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:39 am

Don't forget most teams don't have a long throw expert ( thankfully) .

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:03 am

Gp8419 wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:30 pm
That obvious we are top of the league what a plant pot.
Yup. And if we could defend a simple high ball into the box then we would be almost out of sight at the top rather than 2 points clear with our closest rivals, geographical and league position up next. Love our forward play and slick passing, however there are serious concerns over the back 4 and keeper.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by CaptJohn » Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:11 am

I've been expecting a result like this for a while and when I saw the team yesterday I half expected them to beat us. Perhaps not 5-2 however. It was as though the team just switched off basic marking and tracking back. Surely VK knew some players were tiring at the end of the 1st half so why not change the full backs at HT? We're top of the league so cannot criticise VK too much but some of his decisions are a bit strange IMHO. Especially when you consider he was such a dominant CB :?

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Top Claret » Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:17 am

Right from the off yesterday we looked vulnerable at set pieces it was like watching men v boys. Kompany should have seen what the majority saw an made the necessary changes at HT. I would have pulled Maatsen, Vitinho and Tella for Barnes, Roberts and Taylor as we obviously lacked strength and height to defend the set pieces
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Re: Bullied again

Post by summitclaret » Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:19 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:56 am
We’ve lost 2 games out of 20 against teams who apparently ‘have worked out how to play us’.
You forgot points dropped against WBA, Stoke, Cardiff and Preston all due to a lack of height in defence.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by taio » Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:21 am

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:17 am
Right from the off yesterday we looked vulnerable at set pieces it was like watching men v boys. Kompany should have seen what the majority saw an made the necessary changes at HT. I would have pulled Maatsen, Vitinho and Tella for Barnes, Roberts and Taylor as we obviously lacked strength and height to defend the set pieces
Or better still tailor our line-up to the circumstances and opposition by starting with Roberts and Taylor, which is what many people said before the game.
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Re: Bullied again

Post by burnleymik » Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:48 am

I assume with the formation he chose, Vinny was hoping we could go there and impose our game on them, but Sheffield have a better side that most other Championship teams and VK was a bit naïve playing wingbacks instead of Taylor and Roberts who would have both been more useful on set pieces and defending in general.

The problem seemed to be that the majority of us could see it wasn't working by half time and a change was needed and it didn't happen until the fat lady was singing. I am 100% certain VK learns from this and we grow as a whole unit.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Bosscat » Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:22 pm

There was me thinking this was another ppp thread complaining.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Healeywoodclaret » Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:50 pm

bumba wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:00 pm
Wonder what Rovers tactics will be next week with Gallagher and Diaz both as tall if not taller than Mcburnie
Well we don't need to wonder.... They've Seen n te blueprint now.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Healeywoodclaret » Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:54 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:23 pm
Rovers not so great on headers though, seem to prefer shots, and often from from outside the box.
Yes but they are a big physical side similar to Sheff Utd.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by claretandy » Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:57 pm

Healeywoodclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:54 pm
Yes but they are a big physical side similar to Sheff Utd.
Rovers play a similar style to us, i don't see them changing in a week.

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Re: Bullied again

Post by Healeywoodclaret » Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:57 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:56 am
We’ve lost 2 games out of 20 against teams who apparently ‘have worked out how to play us’.
Well if they hadn't worked out how to play us, they have now!!

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