Everton fans

[Royboyclaret]

I reckon he’d have loved playing for VK and VK would’ve loved to have had him. Fair enough, it’s a PL move for him and it’s all about the £££ at the end of the day, but I do wonder this will turn out to be the wrong club at the wrong time.

Massive error from Dwight, maybe not quite so much from Tarks, time will will tell.

[Socrates]

Found out only yesterday that the reason why I haven't been able to access twitter for the last couple of months is because I said. I used to like Everton but I hope they now sink.
Back on now can't believe how woke its turned into, be lets hope Musk sorts it

These days if you say you used to like Everton you get arrested and thrown in jail.

These days …..

[EarbyClaret]

Seemed like an odd move for Dwight at the time. Guess no one else showed a serious interest

A pretty unforgiving environment if things don't work out

Can think of several other PL clubs where he might have got time to settle and establish himself

[Royboyclaret]

Seemed like an odd move for Dwight at the time. Guess no one else showed a serious interest

A pretty unforgiving environment if things don't work out

Can think of several other PL clubs where he might have got time to settle and establish himself

No, no, no......Big mistake, Burnley was his level.

[EarbyClaret]

No, no, no......Big mistake, Burnley was his level.

Brentford/Newcastle/Fulham

More stability. Pragmatic environment. Realistic expectations

[Royboyclaret]

Brentford/Newcastle/Fulham

More stability. Pragmatic environment. Realistic expectations
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Newcastle???.....Even tougher than Everton.

Burnley was his home.

[EarbyClaret]

No way would Newcastle have been a tougher move than Everton

[boatshed bill]

Dwight was fantastic in his debut season.
what went wrong? Was it the quality of our coaching? Or maybe he was just a "one-trick-pony" who got found out. Or the responsibility on such a young man to carry our attacking threat was just too much?
I hope he gets back to his very best.

[Royboyclaret]

Dwight was fantastic in his debut season.
what went wrong? Was it the quality of our coaching? Or maybe he was just a "one-trick-pony" who got found out. Or the responsibility on such a young man to carry our attacking threat was just too much?
I hope he gets back to his very best.

Bill, my suspicions are he will regret ever leaving Burnley, apart from the financial reasons, obviously.

He was a star here, and will find it difficult to replicate that anywhere else.

[Jakubclaret]

Bill, my suspicions are he will regret ever leaving Burnley, apart from the financial reasons, obviously.

He was a star here, and will find it difficult to replicate that anywhere else.

It's a miniscule consideration being the star element when you are earning sh1tloads elsewhere he won't give a flying when the extra cash is rolling in. The sooner people detach cash from sentiment & realise cash is far more important we can all accept reality.

[Royboyclaret]

It's a miniscule consideration being the star element when you are earning sh1tloads elsewhere he won't give a flying when the extra cash is rolling in. The sooner people detach cash from sentiment & realise cash is far more important we can all accept reality.

In which case football has died a death.

[Jakubclaret]

In which case football has died a death.

Has?

[Royboyclaret]

Has?

What?......Explain yourself, if you can.

[ksrclaret]

Has?

a?

[Jakubclaret]

What?......Explain yourself, if you can.

The boats well & truly left the harbour, no doubt exists regarding the death!

[Royboyclaret]

The boats well & truly left the harbour, no doubt exists regarding the death!

Tell that to Dwight in 12 months time when his dream has expired and he so wishes he'd remained at Burnley.

[boatshed bill]

It's a miniscule consideration being the star element when you are earning sh1tloads elsewhere he won't give a flying when the extra cash is rolling in. The sooner people detach cash from sentiment & realise cash is far more important we can all accept reality.

Here endeth the first lesson

[Woodleyclaret]

The money they had back in the Moores era clouded Evertonians judgement for today
They are not happy surviving in the Premier league but in truth that is the best they can hope for given the very precarious of their spending controls

[Jakubclaret]

Tell that to Dwight in 12 months time when his dream has expired and he so wishes he'd remained at Burnley.

& as a self made millionaire he'll really lose sleepless nights wishing he was back at turf moor when he'll have his pick when the goodison park experience finishes, he'll have good memories but more of a exciting future & certainly no regrets. Us as fans want to think he'll be on a bad turn when the reality is far different.

[Royboyclaret]

& as a self made millionaire he'll really lose sleepless nights wishing he was back at turf moor when he'll have his pick when the goodison park experience finishes, he'll have good memories but more of a exciting future & certainly no regrets. Us as fans want to think he'll be on a bad turn when the reality is far different.

And you wonder why your reputation is on tatters on here.....Never in doubt.

[Jakubclaret]

And you wonder why your reputation is on tatters on here.....Never in doubt.

But I retain reality without delusion. Good evening.

[Royboyclaret]

But I retain reality without delusion. Good evening.

My mistake for ever thinking you had a reputation, good evening.

[Darnhill Claret]

Gotta love Jakubclaret when you are spectating, not so much when you are locked in ‘conversation’ with him.

[elwaclaret]

Obviously clever buggers knowing thee

I do know quite a few idiots too, just to keep me balanced.

[ElectroClaret]

Just watched the Bournemouth/Everton game and they were pathetic.
Can't really see Frankie Boy lasting long.

[ElectroClaret]

....and the Everton players almost coming to blows with their disenchanted fans at the end.

[Top Claret]

In which case football has died a death.

Money as always talked in football ever since the minimum wage was abolished in the 60s

[fatboy47]

He was a star here, and will find it difficult to replicate that anywhere else.

Agree to an extent that he was a "" star"" at Turf Moor royboy, certainly in his earlier games, but I think some of our views may have been clouded by the almost total lack of other players who would even consider going past a defender.
He got to the byline a few times for us, granted, (invariably on his left peg) and clocked up a decent return of assists.

It's all opinions of course but I think AZ and MB are both far more exciting and skilled players, and in hindsight I'm thinking we had Evertons pants down there...maybe a wee payback for the theft of Tarkowski.

[TheFamilyCat]

But I retain reality without delusion. Good evening.

Hey Jakub, did you hear the SD interview with your hero Simon Jordan? You know, the one where SD told Jordan that Chris Wood was sold because his release clause was met. Weird how Jordan didn't tell him he was wrong, isn't it?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://twitter.com/That_Ged/status/159 ... mRnPw&s=19

This is an amusing listen, Everton fans talking about wanting, or not, to get Mourinho in.

[Buxtonclaret]

https://twitter.com/That_Ged/status/159 ... mRnPw&s=19

This is an amusing listen, Everton fans talking about wanting, or not, to get Mourinho in.

They get later & later for all the parties these days.

[SimonSays]

Hey Jakub, did you hear the SD interview with your hero Simon Jordan? You know, the one where SD told Jordan that Chris Wood was sold because his release clause was met. Weird how Jordan didn't tell him he was wrong, isn't it?

Wow, grow up.

[Hipper]

I wonder how our fans would behave if we'd lost 4-1 in the week and then 3-0 to the same club, having travelled all that way twice? I doubt we'd be very pleased.

Lampard should have tried to bring in a consistent keeper - Pope obviously. He seemed to have sorted the central defence with Coady and Tarkovski. Iwobi these days is looking good and brought back Gueye who I always thought was quality. He still has issues up front because of the injuries to Calvert-Lewin and no decent options.

Looking at the stats for yesterday they had twice the possession, the same shots at goal but only a third on target.

I hope they get relegated! They would be the first of the 'big five' that formed the Premier League for their own greed to suffer this.

[clarethomer]

Neverton fans are some of the most fickle in the game. Horrible club.

After the sheff Utd game, could say that about some of our fan base.

When you playing well and doing well it’s easy to get behind the team, watching the fall out after a loss is where you see the true measure of a fan/set of fans.

We have a lot of brilliant fans but we also have a lot of fans that can’t handle their emotions when things don’t go right.

They are no more a horrible club than Burnley are seen as a horrible club with all the WLM and racist $*** that follows us around.

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

Our fans are nothing like Everton fans. Far more patient. Of course we have our dickheads, but different histories and expectations mould fan bases. Everton fans are as nowty towards their own team as it gets.

UTC.

[Jakubclaret]

Hey Jakub, did you hear the SD interview with your hero Simon Jordan? You know, the one where SD told Jordan that Chris Wood was sold because his release clause was met. Weird how Jordan didn't tell him he was wrong, isn't it?

SJ never stated that SD was the source. SJ & SD get on well it was SJ who tipped SD off when Chris wilder was after his job attending covertly in the directors boxes something which wilder denied. The release clause was met nobody is factually incorrect on that score it's when the release clause actually applied that's the bone of contention!


https://talksport.com/football/1018963/ ... sfer-news/

[claret2018]

I’m sure Dwight really regrets not staying at Burnley and taking a massive pay cut rather than going to an established PL club to earn more than he ever had before

[Quicknick]

It's a generalisation, but I have always liked the Scousers I've met compared to the Mancs, who often seem to have a superior attitude.

[Chester Perry]

SJ never stated that SD was the source. SJ & SD get on well it was SJ who tipped SD off when Chris wilder was after his job attending covertly in the directors boxes something which wilder denied. The release clause was met nobody is factually incorrect on that score it's when the release clause actually applied that's the bone of contention!


https://talksport.com/football/1018963/ ... sfer-news/

The bone of contention around the release clause being in effect centres around the timing as you say

Some argue that the fact given the fee was to be paid in two payments suggests it wasn't - this is based on the known practice in Spanish Football that the whole fee has to be paid upfront.

However, if you compare that the Wood fee was to be paid in two payments of £12.5m each and the Pope transaction involves 4 payments (for a total fee of circa £10m) then it could be reasonably argued that all the conditions of the release clause were met.

The issue of timing of the clause being in effect, as written, is likely to remain unanswered - though all other conditions may well have been met. The club will have had the right to use their own discretion as to when they were willing to open the window for the transaction. So, they will argue all conditions were met.

[IanMcL]

He'd have been great coming in off the right in our current setup.

Nah

[Tricky Trevor]

Strange that they have 5 PL seasoned CBs in Tarks, Coady, Keane, Mina and Godfrey. A fine LB in Mykolenko and Coleman, past his best, or Patterson for RB but nobody ever points the finger at stumpy arms. He might make good reflex saves but can he organise his defence?
I’m pleased to see so many agreeing with my opinion of their fans. I’ve long thought they live in a dream world.

[timshorts]

Apart from that spell in the mid-eighties when they were the best side in Europe (but couldn't prove it as other fans had got their club banned) they have had about 50 years of being second to their near neighbours who have had more money, more success, more nauseous media fans and the whingeist bunch of entitled supporters that the world has seen (probably equal with real madrid).

We've only had to put up with the bstrds buying one title.

[claretabroad]

I've lived in many places around the world and can say that Liverpool is one of the friendliest and welcoming cities in Britain. Both sets of fans are incredibly passionate about their clubs.

Reds are myopic and convinced in their team being the best in the world (to be fair they had a point a couple of years ago).
Blues are grumpy, pessimistic, and ground down by decades of ineptitude.

I'd rather talk football with a blue than a red.

[andyh]

They are not wrong about Dwight though. A very poor player and we absolutely had their pants down. When you see what we’ve bought with that fee.

[HahaYeah]

Evertons support was magnificent at the end of last season.

[John Johnson 1605]

I've lived in many places around the world and can say that Liverpool is one of the friendliest and welcoming cities in Britain. Both sets of fans are incredibly passionate about their clubs.

Reds are myopic and convinced in their team being the best in the world (to be fair they had a point a couple of years ago).
Blues are grumpy, pessimistic, and ground down by decades of ineptitude.

I'd rather talk football with a blue than a red.

Interesting Claret Abroad. I was a student there in the mid 80’s. I found the city very unwelcoming and insular. Even now I don’t like visiting the city, feel Scouse(er) than Liverpudlian.

[Jakubclaret]

The bone of contention around the release clause being in effect centres around the timing as you say

Some argue that the fact given the fee was to be paid in two payments suggests it wasn't - this is based on the known practice in Spanish Football that the whole fee has to be paid upfront.

However, if you compare that the Wood fee was to be paid in two payments of £12.5m each and the Pope transaction involves 4 payments (for a total fee of circa £10m) then it could be reasonably argued that all the conditions of the release clause were met.

The issue of timing of the clause being in effect, as written, is likely to remain unanswered - though all other conditions may well have been met. The club will have had the right to use their own discretion as to when they were willing to open the window for the transaction. So, they will argue all conditions were met.

I realise all this & I’m fully aware & onboard with the notion that it was too good a deal to turn down & the best thing since sliced bread blah blah & ultimately facilitated in paying a huge chunk of debt off. The overriding point for me still exists that had we really wanted to keep him we could have though if we maintained a robust contractual stance although in some ways it made no sense to & the WW gamble/experiment was seen as the way to go. Assuming SJs source is correct regarding the summer application there’s no grey area there regardless of whatever incentives were offered it was a voluntary course of action.

[Stanbill05]

There is a very real risk Dwight will be broken by Everton and not recover. Always appeared a little bit fragile to me. Chasing the money is not always the best strategy in the long run. Hope he survives but could see him tumble through the leagues if his confidence is crushed.

[Vegas Claret]

Dwight was liking all the Burnley posts on Instagram today, clearly still supports the lads

[Lancasterclaret]

Everton fans and Villa fans are only a couple of defeats from wanting the manager whose name they sang the week before out

Its bonkers