The Bar

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:08 pm

Is open,the red card will be rescinded.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:09 pm

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:11 pm

He’s clearly hand balled it. Time to take the claret tinted specs off.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:11 pm

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:11 pm
He’s clearly hand balled it. Time to take the claret tinted specs off.

Lol.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:11 pm

Judging by the comments on here it sounds like that's where the ref had been pre match.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:12 pm

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:11 pm
He’s clearly hand balled it. Time to take the claret tinted specs off.

Errr, think you need some normal specs

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:13 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:12 pm
Errr, think you need some normal specs

Literally just watched it on Sky.

Noblelight · Post by **Noblelight** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:14 pm

Poor by the linesman to give that. Roberts was nowhere near to handling it. Luckily nothing came from it and he should get the red card overturned.
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Stanbill05 · Post by **Stanbill05** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:15 pm

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:13 pm
Literally just watched it on Sky.

And that is what you saw? Lol

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:16 pm

100% deliberate handball and a brilliant save by Muric

Mrpotatohead · Post by **Mrpotatohead** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:16 pm

https://twitter.com/JayYoun51504839/sta ... EAQ2g&s=19

Looks the bar to me

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:16 pm

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:13 pm
Literally just watched it on Sky.

It’s nowhere near his hand. Roberts was absolutely fuming, he knew he hadn’t touched it.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:23 pm

Players fall over when nobody touches them and get free kicks so why should you not get a penalty for someone waving his arms around, even if he didn't touch it?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:25 pm

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:16 pm
100% deliberate handball and a brilliant save by Muric

Had another gander
100% not a handball
Should appeal that card

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:25 pm

Shown on Sky again and clearly not hand ball even Merson said not hand ball.
The assistant referee is clearly to blame and not the referee

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:26 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:23 pm
Players fall over when nobody touches them and get free kicks so why should you not get a penalty for someone waving his arms around, even if he didn't touch it?

Because you should give what you see maybe?

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:28 pm

Specsavers have a sale in the new year. Just saying.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:30 pm

Awful decision but Roberts didnt help as he was definitely trying to handball it and got lucky that it just clipped the bar before he managed to scoop it out Suarez style.

I can imagine it was probably very hard to tell if it hit the bar or if Roberts managed to handle it (especially with Roberts hand motion of trying to handle the ball) and in my opinion if uncertain then it shouldnt be given.

Hold that thought though and imagine it at the other end and it just misses the bar and their defender manages to handle it like Roberts tried to. If it it was equally as hard to tell for certain if it hit their hand or the crossbar. I dont think we would have quite the same pragmatic view that a penalty shouldnt be given if the officials cant be certain it hit the hand in that scenario.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:37 pm

For those still in any doubt.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... r-handball

4midable · Post by **4midable** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:40 pm

Some bellends on here who kno it all
Think before posting

Watch the highlights

Stanbill05 · Post by **Stanbill05** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:48 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:30 pm

I don't blame the officials who don't have the benefit of replays but people who watched it on TV and still think it was handball need to take a breath and have another look. It will be rescinded but ref can't be blamed for that one. It looked handball all day long until the replays..

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:48 pm

Simple really… don’t put yourself in that position? I’d have done it myself tbf but not worth crying about

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:49 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:48 pm
Simple really… don’t put yourself in that position? I’d have done it myself tbf but not worth crying about

You can say that about every red card ever…

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:51 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:49 pm
You can say that about every red card ever…

If that’s your argument then fair play, had he been able to stop it he would, he went to tip away from goal , stupid but it’s a natural instinct

Flying Without Ings · Post by **Flying Without Ings** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:52 pm

Who cares? Muric saved the pen. Red card will be rescinded. The officials are shite as we already knew. Clarets are top.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:53 pm

That was as close as he got to handballing it. I know it's only a still but, honestly, he never touched it.

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box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:56 pm

4midable wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:40 pm
Some bellends on here who kno it all
Think before posting

Watch the highlights

Hahaha, love a Billy big ******** giving it large on a forum.

I’m happy to say I’m wrong having previously only seen it once and without replays.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:57 pm

Obviously not a hand ball. But can a player be penalised for attempting to deliberately handle the ball, which Roberts did?

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:58 pm

I thought it was handball first time and would have given it. Bit weird to watch the replay though and still insist it was a handball. The opposite of claret tinted specs that.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:58 pm

Looked a blatant handball live. Shows how tough it is for the refs at times.

blake's wand · Post by **blake's wand** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:02 pm

You can tell from the video he 100% tried to scoop it out

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:03 pm

Flying Without Ings wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:52 pm
Who cares? Muric saved the pen. Red card will be rescinded. The officials are shite as we already knew. Clarets are top.

There wouldn’t have been an opportunity to give a penalty away if Muric hadn’t been so poor for both balls that came in. He really needs to work on commanding his area, when to come / when not to come and utilising his significant height advantage. It’s a real weakness in his game.

Barlickclaret · Post by **Barlickclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:07 pm

Didn't matter today, but imagine if it was 0-0 and that had been given.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:09 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:03 pm
There wouldn’t have been an opportunity to give a penalty away if Muric hadn’t been so poor for both balls that came in. He really needs to work on commanding his area, when to come / when not to come and utilising his significant height advantage. It’s a real weakness in his game.

Saving shots being his other weakness. His attempt to stop Watmore’s pea-roller was comical.

Flying Without Ings · Post by **Flying Without Ings** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:09 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:03 pm
There wouldn’t have been an opportunity to give a penalty away if Muric hadn’t been so poor for both balls that came in. He really needs to work on commanding his area, when to come / when not to come and utilising his significant height advantage. It’s a real weakness in his game.

Thought he did well commanding his box at QPR but agree. Overall, I'm a fan. He suits our style perfectly and he's young so I'm sure he will improve the poorer aspects of his game.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:11 pm

Flying Without Ings wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:09 pm
Thought he did well commanding his box at QPR but agree. Overall, I'm a fan. He suits our style perfectly and he's young so I'm sure he will improve the poorer aspects of his game.

He’ll be exposed ruthlessly in the Premie League so I don’t think he will get the opportunity to improve the poorer aspects of his game with us.

1882Clarets1882 · Post by **1882Clarets1882** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:12 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:03 pm
There wouldn’t have been an opportunity to give a penalty away if Muric hadn’t been so poor for both balls that came in. He really needs to work on commanding his area, when to come / when not to come and utilising his significant height advantage. It’s a real weakness in his game.

Can't argue with your point. However, on the plus side, for a keeper who's had a fair amount of criticism , often justified, saving the pen must boost his confidence. I hope so anyway.

Massivefloodlights · Post by **Massivefloodlights** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:12 pm

Sat in the BL I was convinced it was a bit of a Suarez, but having seen the replay I don’t think it is, though I reckon the intention was there.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:13 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:11 pm
He’ll be exposed ruthlessly in the Premie League so I don’t think he will get the opportunity to improve the poorer aspects of his game with us.

If, assuming we go up, which looks very likely, we'll need a new keeper as Muric struggles with the basics of keeping, such as catching standard crosses into the box, and saving basic shots.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:14 pm

I initially thought he handled it and although the referee was utterly shite I can well understand how he and his assistants gave it.

Great save from Muric for the penalty, too, although he was extremely suspect for their first and the incident which led to Roberts receiving his marching orders.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:20 pm

Will be rescinded, fortunately.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:20 pm

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:14 pm
I initially thought he handled it and although the referee was utterly shite I can well understand how he and his assistants gave it.

Great save from Muric for the penalty, too, although he was extremely suspect for their first and the incident which led to Roberts receiving his marching orders.

Referee was really poor.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:21 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:09 pm
Saving shots being his other weakness. His attempt to stop Watmore’s pea-roller was comical.

Made some outstanding saves to keep us in games recently, so that’s a nonsense.

Was wrong footed today as he was back tracking from an advanced position that he takes up as a sweeper.

Shaggy · Post by **Shaggy** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:25 pm

Roberts didn’t touch it…..

However live iv got to admit I though he handled it out.

Once iv seen the reply and only from a certain angle can I tell he never touched it.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:26 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:03 pm
He really needs to work on commanding his area, when to come / when not to come and utilising his significant height advantage. It’s a real weakness in his game.

You’re right, and I thought he was making a big effort at QPR, obviously been working on it after the Sheff Utd debacle. It’s not natural for him though and got it wrong today a few times but at least he’s trying now.

Following Heaton and Pope isn’t easy though. Not many sides in this league have England keepers.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:29 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:21 pm
Made some outstanding saves to keep us in games recently, so that’s a nonsense.

Was wrong footed today as he was back tracking from an advanced position that he takes up as a sweeper.

He’s made some good saves, can’t think of many I’d describe as outstanding. But of course he will make some saves, he’s a goalkeeper. But generally his shot stopping is very poor. His attempt to save their goal today was appalling, whatever excuse you make for it. Just look at the angle from the camera in the JMU, it’s an atrocious attempt at a save.

He’s let in a lot of extremely soft attempts at goal this season. What he offers us with the ball compensates for this in the Championship, his passing today for example was very good. But in the Premier League we won’t be dominating possession and we will be facing a lot more shots at our goal. As I said he will be exposed ruthlessly and I would be amazed if he’s not upgraded on in the summer.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:32 pm

I should add, whilst his passing was good today, his hesitation to release the ball and invite the press in the dying minutes should have cost us. Ironically he atoned by making a good save from the spot.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:38 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:29 pm
He’s made some good saves, can’t think of many I’d describe as outstanding. But of course he will make some saves, he’s a goalkeeper. But generally his shot stopping is very poor. His attempt to save their goal today was appalling, whatever excuse you make for it. Just look at the angle from the camera in the JMU, it’s an atrocious attempt at a save.

He’s let in a lot of extremely soft attempts at goal this season. What he offers us with the ball compensates for this in the Championship, his passing today for example was very good. But in the Premier League we won’t be dominating possession and we will be facing a lot more shots at our goal. As I said he will be exposed ruthlessly and I would be amazed if he’s not upgraded on in the summer.

It’s an interesting one because statistically he’s one of the best shot stoppers in the division (talking about xG models for keepers, not just standard save %). At Sheff Utd, for example, he had a weird game, was shocking at crosses but made 3 top drawer saves. He’s got a lot to learn if he wants to make it as a PL keeper, but I draw quite a few comparisons with how Meslier and Raya were for Leeds and Brentford (age similarities, good ball players that lacked in some key areas), and now they are solid PL keepers.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:43 pm

Stanbill05 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:48 pm
I don't blame the officials who don't have the benefit of replays but people who watched it on TV and still think it was handball need to take a breath and have another look. It will be rescinded but ref can't be blamed for that one. It looked handball all day long until the replays..

100% agree

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:20 pm

I was shocked at the penalty because all I saw was the ball hit the bar and fortunately end up in Muric's hands.