Weghorst to… Man United?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Wood missed an absolute sitter against Wolves in the 89th minute but then scored a great penalty in the 91st to make it 1-1.

Nothing will beat Ian Moore at Preston though for that howler.

Headers from 1 yard out in front of an open goal aren't as easy as they look

[ClaretLoup]

Great news if the screenshot above is correct.

The idea that Wout would come back to Burnley after a loan spell at either United or Besiktas is a non runner.

VK made it plain with his comments re Ronaldo at the World Cup is that he wants players who can run. Danny Murphy backed this up in his FA Cup post match comments saying he was surprised how much emphasis VK puts on hard effort and commitment in conversation with him at their stint at the World Cup. Furthermore how many 30+ years old strikers have the club been linked with in the current transfer window? None.

He doesn’t fit the new model as he has no re-sale value.

His value may increase after a spell at OT but what if he tanks and there is a good chance he will. Why take the risk for a player who we are not interested in and patently he’s not interested in playing for us?

It’s like cash out on Bet365. Let’s get our stake back and a small profit if possible.

[Cooclaret]

I am going to say that Wout IS a better player than Martial. I think he will quickly get the 9 spot and keep it until summer.

Martial will go in the summer, Wout will stay. Untied will bring in a world class 9.

We can see how this ages…

[MancunianClaret]

The idea that Wout would come back to Burnley after a loan spell at either United or Besiktas is a non runner.

VK made it plain with his comments re Ronaldo at the World Cup is that he wants players who can run. Danny Murphy backed this up in his FA Cup post match comments saying he was surprised how much emphasis VK puts on hard effort and commitment in conversation with him at their stint at the World Cup.

Wout recorded the most individual presses of any PL game/player last season when we played Wolves. Don't think anyone can question his commitment to run or work hard. ETH seeks the same qualities too.

[CaptJohn]

I see that it's now rumoured that Utd are interested in Eden Dzeko. Obviously a back up in case the Wout doesn't fly or a smokescreen to put some pressure on the Burnley/Besiktas axis, who are smelling cash?

[AGENT_CLARET]

Rumour now going around that Man utd are set to make the deal a permanent one for Weghorst at 12.5 million with about 2 million going to Besiktas, I'd use this money in a 20 million (with add on's) take it or leave it deal to buy Gyökeres from Coventry

[ClaretLoup]

Fair point MC and well made.

[claretwardy88]

Why would besiktas get any money at all he's our player?

[randomclaret2]

Why would besiktas get any money at all he's our player?

They want some form of compensation for agreeing to the loan being cut short

[eastcoastclaret]

Why would besiktas get any money at all he's our player?

For terminating his loan early I guess.

[Ric_C]

But say if Besiktas want 2 million compensation, I think Utd will pay that as part of our new deal with them (whatever that will be)

[tiger76]

Rumour now going around that Man utd are set to make the deal a permanent one for Weghorst at 12.5 million with about 2 million going to Besiktas, I'd use this money in a 20 million (with add on's) take it or leave it deal to buy Gyökeres from Coventry

If we do receive a decent windfall for Wout I'd expect VK to use it wisely, and spending £20m on a Championship striker wouldn't be wise in my view,

Our record fee is £15m for both Gibson and Wood well a PL club, so there's no way I foresee us spending £20m well still operating in the Championship.

Plus that wouldn't fit with our current model of buying relatively cheap developing talent then making a nice profit if or when they move on.

Gyokeres a decent player but VK has shown he can identify better value for money signings.

[MancunianClaret]

How much did we pay for Weghorst again? £14M?

Thought we might be asking a bit more than £12M given his world cup performance.

[boatshed bill]

Rumour now going around that Man utd are set to make the deal a permanent one for Weghorst at 12.5 million with about 2 million going to Besiktas, y

Is that really a good deal for us?

[Lancasterclaret]

Is that really a good deal for us?

More about cutting our losses I assume

We get back roughly what we paid for him and he's off the wage bill

Not the worst to be honest

[jedi_master]

If we get (broadly speaking) our money back and Weghorst gets his chance at a massive club, everyone’s a winner really. Would have been interesting to see him in this side as I think he’d suit it but he’s perhaps not the profile in age that Kompany (and Pace) want to operate with. Getting £10m or so for him and his large wages off next seasons bill would probably allow us get a large cost player, by our book.

[randomclaret2]

More about cutting our losses I assume

We get back roughly what we paid for him and he's off the wage bill

Not the worst to be honest

Very true, but we ought to be extracting top dollar given that its Msnchester United

[Lancasterclaret]

Very true, but we ought to be extracting top dollar given that its Msnchester United

We need him off the wage bill random and if he's not going to come back/wants to come back/not wanted, then we get a decentish fee for him

Which we can then use to replace him with a younger, more suitable striker

There really isn't any downsides, and its a huge plus for us that United could sort all this out this window

[arise_sir_charge]

I think £12.5m is top dollar to be fair.

[Paul Waine]

Couple of articles in The Times Sport this morning on Wout Weghorst to ManU.

This is the first.

Wout Weghorst can be clever option for Manchester United attack
Tony Cascarino

Some people might be surprised to learn that Manchester United are interested in signing Wout Weghorst on loan, having seen him play for Burnley last season, but I think he offers them an interesting alternative option.

His effectiveness will depend on what others do around him but, if he does go to Old Trafford for the rest of the season, will have players providing the kind of pace and flair that he just didn’t have at Burnley.

That will leave him to lead the line and if he is allowed to do that he can be something different within the United team. He might not be first choice but the club have a lot of fixtures coming up and he could be a clever short-term option. I remember Dion Dublin going to United and Weghorst is the same sort of player.

[jedi_master]

I think £12.5m is top dollar to be fair.

Looking at the stories when we signed him, we apparently paid £12m. You'd also imagine (might be wrong) that we had incentives included in that like a staying up bonus and stuff, so I bet we paid less. Not to mention, we then got a loan fee of some description off Besiktas.

We could actually be turning a profit here...

[Paul Waine]

And the second.

Wout Weghorst begs Besiktas to cancel loan as United close in

Paul Hirst, Paul Joyce

Burnley have held talks with Besiktas over the cancellation of Wout Weghorst’s loan after the Holland striker pleaded with the Turkish club to allow him to complete a dream move to Manchester United.

Weghorst told Besiktas prior to Saturday’s game against Kasimpasa that he wished to leave after being informed that his compatriot Erik ten Hag wanted to sign him on loan.

Weghorst scored in the match and then waved goodbye to the Besiktas fans.

There is no recall clause in Weghorst’s season-long loan from Burnley but all sides are hopeful that a deal can be struck that would allow the forward to cancel his contract in Turkey and move to United until the end of the season.

“There could be a reward for us if we give our consent to the cancellation [of the loan deal with Burnley],” Besiktas football director Ceyhun Kazanci said.

“For example, if Burnley told us: ‘Weghorst is moving to this team and we are giving you half of the fee’ we would sit down and talk to them.”

Weghorst joined Burnley a year ago from Wolfsburg for £12 million but only scored two goals and could not prevent them from being relegated to the Sky Bet Championship.

Weghorst, who has 2½ years left to run on his £50,000 a week contract with Burnley, has scored nine goals in 18 matches for Besiktas, but the Turkish club are in desperate need of money so they would benefit from any fee — however small — that United would pay them for his signature.

Burnley too would benefit financially from the deal while Weghorst would get a move back to the Premier League and Ten Hag would add another forward to his squad, which has been depleted by the departure of Cristiano Ronaldo.

When Ten Hag announced last month that he wanted to sign a striker, Weghorst’s name would not have been at the top of many fans’ wish lists, but he has many attributes that the United manager likes.

The forward, who like Ten Hag grew up in the region of Enschede, is an incredibly good trainer and fits into the hard-working ethos the United manager is trying to install.

At 6ft 6in tall, Weghorst offers height and physicality, which United lack.

Ten Hag prefers to play attractive football. Those who worked under him in his first job at Go Ahead Eagles remember Ten Hag shouting, “I believe in football!” and “Keep it on the ground!” during training sessions.

[ClaretLoup]

Great, he trains really well, let’s hope United shell out enough for Burnley and Besiktas to be happy because if they don’t then both clubs are stuck with a player who wants to play for somebody else whilst picking up £50 k per week.

[AGENT_CLARET]

For example, if Burnley told us: ‘Weghorst is moving to this team and we are giving you half of the fee’ we would sit down and talk to them.”

[Big Vinny K]

The Beskitas manager sounds crazy.
Why would we give them half of any fee ?
We would be better off letting him stay there, pick up the loan fee and savings on his wages and see what happens at the end of the season.

If we can get anywhere near £10m to £12m for him from United and Beskitas accept a reasonable compensation offer then feels like we will come out of it ok. Especially when you bear in mind we bought him on the back of selling Wood for £25m which was an unbelievably good deal given his age - and looks even better with hindsight of his form at Newcastle.

It also gives VK a bit more certainty over what we can do in the market. When we were putting 3 or 4 bids in for the Swansea lad it was not clear what was going to happen to Wout. Get him off the wage bill now and get his fee back and we should hopefully have a decent amount to play with to get a striker in January.

Salary budget wise we have just reduced our total salary bill by not far off 15% to 20% by losing Lowts, Long and Westwood.

If we can get this deal over the line and sell Wout I think it’s really positive news for us.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Wood missed an absolute sitter against Wolves in the 89th minute but then scored a great penalty in the 91st to make it 1-1.

Nothing will beat Ian Moore at Preston though for that howler.

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[Colburn_Claret]

And the second.

Wout Weghorst begs Besiktas to cancel loan as United close in

Paul Hirst, Paul Joyce

Burnley have held talks with Besiktas over the cancellation of Wout Weghorst’s loan after the Holland striker pleaded with the Turkish club to allow him to complete a dream move to Manchester United.

Weghorst told Besiktas prior to Saturday’s game against Kasimpasa that he wished to leave after being informed that his compatriot Erik ten Hag wanted to sign him on loan.

Weghorst scored in the match and then waved goodbye to the Besiktas fans.

There is no recall clause in Weghorst’s season-long loan from Burnley but all sides are hopeful that a deal can be struck that would allow the forward to cancel his contract in Turkey and move to United until the end of the season.

“There could be a reward for us if we give our consent to the cancellation [of the loan deal with Burnley],” Besiktas football director Ceyhun Kazanci said.

“For example, if Burnley told us: ‘Weghorst is moving to this team and we are giving you half of the fee’ we would sit down and talk to them.”

Weghorst joined Burnley a year ago from Wolfsburg for £12 million but only scored two goals and could not prevent them from being relegated to the Sky Bet Championship.

Weghorst, who has 2½ years left to run on his £50,000 a week contract with Burnley, has scored nine goals in 18 matches for Besiktas, but the Turkish club are in desperate need of money so they would benefit from any fee — however small — that United would pay them for his signature.

Burnley too would benefit financially from the deal while Weghorst would get a move back to the Premier League and Ten Hag would add another forward to his squad, which has been depleted by the departure of Cristiano Ronaldo.

When Ten Hag announced last month that he wanted to sign a striker, Weghorst’s name would not have been at the top of many fans’ wish lists, but he has many attributes that the United manager likes.

The forward, who like Ten Hag grew up in the region of Enschede, is an incredibly good trainer and fits into the hard-working ethos the United manager is trying to install.

At 6ft 6in tall, Weghorst offers height and physicality, which United lack.

Ten Hag prefers to play attractive football. Those who worked under him in his first job at Go Ahead Eagles remember Ten Hag shouting, “I believe in football!” and “Keep it on the ground!” during training sessions.

They've got some funking neck, wanting half the fee for a player we own.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be compensated, but unless they get the hell out of the land of the fairies, we should tell them to sod off.
They can then see what an unhappy Wout offers for the rest of the season.

[Rileybobs]

Pretty sure we wouldn't be too impressed if we were in Besiktas' position, and I'm sure our fans would be expecting the board to get absolutely the best deal possible.

Re. Wout, I bet he can't believe his luck, regardless of his talent his time at Burnley was a failure so to get a move to a club like Man Utd. is fairytale stuff. I wonder how much his World Cup QF cameo raised his status.

[claret2018]

Wout must be thinking he’s won a competition or something. Utd are clearly desperate, signing a player on the back of a good 30 minutes in the World Cup.

They do have a track record of signing terrible forwards in recent years though

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

Besiktas are so offensive.

The quote of their Chairman before as well talking about nicking him very cheap as well, if we did not go up. Unlucky son, but we are on the way back.

Hopefully we tell them to **** off, and if they end up with an unhappy player, they will rethink.

UTC

[beeholeclaret]

I still think that was a good block by Mings. Yes, he should’ve scored, but we praise Tarkowski/Mee when they pulled off similar blocks so you have to credit the other way round.

Either way, it was no where near as bad as Cornets miss at Norwich. Or his appalling penalty at West Ham for that matter.

I fully agree with these comments.

Football is football and these things happen. Frustrating when its your team's players that mess up but thats the way it is.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Out of interest on a gut instinct I’ve just looked at FIFA23 stats (which I tend to find accurate ish) and searched the Premier League for strikers at or below Weghorst’s acceleration and sprinting speed.

There is just one - Salomon Rondon who is 33 years old.

That is Wout’s limiting factor - his very slow speed. He won’t suddenly speed up at United and is also why he wouldn’t be picked by us next season.

[randomclaret2]

I think £12.5m is top dollar to be fair.

I just feel that given Utd are clearly desperate for a striker, Besiktas want a slice of the pie, and he will still be in demand in the summer, we ought to be extracting as much as possible if Utd want to push this through now. An extra £3/4m. is loose change to them, but its another Zaroury/Benson for us...

[RVclaret]

Athletic reporting a permanent transfer is not being discussed at all, even at a low fee

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Journo on Talksport reckons Utd will have to pay Besiktas £8 million to get WW out of his loan deal ....

[claretonthecoast1882]

Journo on Talksport reckons Utd will have to pay Besiktas £8 million to get WW out of his loan deal ....

If they still use that Alex Crook as their resident transfer expert ignoring every single word he says is the best advice, not only is he pretty much wrong all the time he's also a cock

[Ric_C]

I'm not buying that 57 pressures stat that keeps being rolled out either. I'd take 20 pressures from Zaroury, Benson and Brownhill where they actually win the ball back than Weghorst "almost" closing someone down 57 times

[Big Vinny K]

Journo on Talksport reckons Utd will have to pay Besiktas £8 million to get WW out of his loan deal ....

There’s a reason it’s called Talkshite

[Lancasterclaret]

That does sound absolutely 100% Talksport tbf

[Bordeauxclaret]

Besiktas are talking tough but they know they’ve been done over.

They’ve got a player who doesn’t want to be there. They have to deal.
They don’t have the strong upper hand they are trying to claim.

[Big Vinny K]

I'm not buying that 57 pressures stat that keeps being rolled out either. I'd take 20 pressures from Zaroury, Benson and Brownhill where they actually win the ball back than Weghorst "almost" closing someone down 57 times

Agree that in isolation these stats tell you zero.
What did the pressure lead to ?
Wout could win the ball but then he does not possess the pace to pull away - we know that Tella, Zaroury, Benson etc do.

I remember when Wout joined us and the crowd enjoyed the fact that he was running himself into the ground and trying to put pressure on defenders - and whilst there is some merit in that - if there are no other players around to support him (we rarely had a co-ordinated team pressing strategy under Dyche) and he cannot pull away from defenders either then I’m not sure there’s much point in wasting your energy if there is no end result. If anything it leaves him shattered for when the rare chance on goal we were getting last year arrives !!

It could be different for United of course because he will have players around him with pace and they will also be making far better chances than we can. Wout’s record outside of his spell with us is very good and he has good technical finishing ability. This and the fact that he is a cheap stop gap / option is why United are looking at him. They cannot carry on wasting £80m on every transfer - they have spent more than any club in the world in the last 2 or 3 years and won nothing !

[wilks_bfc]

May have been answered already, but who was the last player to go from Burnley to Man Utd?

[arise_sir_charge]

Besiktas look is to release Dele Ali from he loan Dean but don’t have a release clause.

No doubt saying what their fans want to hear on that one as well.

[Bordeauxclaret]

May have been answered already, but who was the last player to go from Burnley to Man Utd?

Cofie??
Can we count him?

Last first team player must be going back a while.

[Cooclaret]

Besiktas look is to release Dele Ali from he loan Dean but don’t have a release clause.

No doubt saying what their fans want to hear on that one as well.

Perhaps and it’s a perhaps; we negotiate with Everton to take DA from Besiktas, they release Wout reasonably to go to United and we get cash.

I said a few days ago that DA might be coming. Complete chaos!

[AGENT_CLARET]

May have been answered already, but who was the last player to go from Burnley to Man Utd?

John Connelly in 1964 probably

[fatboy47]

John Connelly in 1964 probably

Waldron?
Willie Morgan?

[2 Bee Holed]

Waldron 1976 apparently, but I don't recall it.

Morgan 1968.

[1882Clarets1882]

Was gonna say Mick Phelan but he went to Norwich first.

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/TyMarshall_MEN/stat ... 3985460226

Initial approach (interestingly it says United to Besiktas) rejected

Pretty clear that any termination of the loan fee will come from United, not us from this btw