Scott Parker on his way out

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:55 am

5-1 drubbing in champions league will surely seal his fate at Bruges after only a good two months.
As predicted, a miscast for Bruges as he failed to turn things around and the bad results kept coming.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:58 am

An appointment that ranks as dumb as Nathan Jones and Southampton

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:11 am

Another Lampard/Gerrard good players but not coach material.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:12 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:58 am
An appointment that ranks as dumb as Nathan Jones and Southampton

Haha - exactly this, what a shocker

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:11 am

Crap player turns out to be crap manager shocker.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:19 am

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:11 am
Crap player turns out to be crap manager shocker.

I thought he was a brilliant player tbf

Rumpelstiltskin · Post by **Rumpelstiltskin** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:58 am

Daft appointment

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:24 am

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:11 am
Crap player turns out to be crap manager shocker.

I can see that his choice in knitwear will split opinion (I'm not a fan) and his managerial career has had its ups and downs (though includes two promotions from the Championship to EPL I think).
As a player though- surely not remotely can be described as crap. 486 league games for umpteen managers mainly for Charlton, WHU, Spuds & Fulham, played for England at U16, U18, U21 and 18 full caps.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:39 am

I don't think Fulham could believe their luck when Bournemouth came in for him. They got compensation from him at a time when they were counting the cost of potentially sacking him.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:43 am

He'll leave with a pay off, get another job, leave that one with a payoff, get another job, leave that one with a... and all that after having an extremely lucrative career as a player. Not a bad life is it?!

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:45 am

LeadBelly wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:24 am
I can see that his choice in knitwear will split opinion (I'm not a fan) and his managerial career has had its ups and downs (though includes two promotions from the Championship to EPL I think).
As a player though- surely not remotely can be described as crap. 486 league games for umpteen managers mainly for Charlton, WHU, Spuds & Fulham, played for England at U16, U18, U21 and 18 full caps.

It's a strange one isn't it. His career tells you he was an excellent footballer. But despite watching a lot of football during that time, I don't think he left a single lasting impression.

Bit of a rubbish manager. Destined to be a BT Sport pundit.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:50 am

He was crap. Charged around a lot, shouted and pointed a lot, and tbf got stuck in 'for a little lad'. It's a marker of how crap England were that he got anywhere near 1 cap, never mind 18. Not fit to lace Dean Marney's boots.

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:18 am

LeadBelly wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:24 am
I can see that his choice in knitwear will split opinion (I'm not a fan) and his managerial career has had its ups and downs (though includes two promotions from the Championship to EPL I think).
As a player though- surely not remotely can be described as crap. 486 league games for umpteen managers mainly for Charlton, WHU, Spuds & Fulham, played for England at U16, U18, U21 and 18 full caps.

Don’t forget the McDonald’s keepy uppy ad.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:21 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:11 am
Another Lampard/Gerrard good players but not coach material.

Lampard comes across as a pretty intelligent bloke.

In that respect, when also considering their respective careers, success, and contacts, there doesn’t look from the outside, to be too much difference between Lampard and Kompany.

Lampard and Kompany, at similar stages in their managerial careers, probably looked very similar from an employer perspective.

Our next manager recruitment will be really interesting. As Gerrard, Lampard and Parker have shown, it’s easier to get it wrong than it is to get it right.

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:56 pm

I'm not a fan of Parker, but you can't say he was a crap player. That's just nonsense.

Big Vinny K · Post by **Big Vinny K** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:57 pm

One common denominator to success or failure seems to be giving the younger manager a shed load of cash.
Lampard did well at Derby with little or no cash, Gerard same at Rangers and Parker in getting promotion.

Give them a shed load of cash and things can quickly go pear shaped if they bring in players that don’t work out - like Coutinho etc. TBF to Lampard the problems at Everton are much more deep rooted than him wasting a few million - the previous managers spent far more than him on bang average players.

With VK he may well fall the same way as others when we get to the Premier League. But from what we have seen so far I think VK has every chance to succeed in the PL. The transformation he has overseen at Burnley is far more extensive and successful than any of the other examples. VK and his team have also clearly shown a great ability to develop all players and adapt to his philosophy of playing. It will obviously be more difficult in the PL but I don’t see any reason why VK can’t continue to be successful and he’ll be the first to say he will make mistakes along the way.

As for Parker, Gerard and Lampard they are all young enough to still come back and be successful if they still have the desire to manage clubs…..none of them need (or needed) the cash.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:40 pm

Don't think it has anything to do with whether he was a crap player or not. You may not have liked his style, but there's no doubt he had a successful playing career.

Being a top football player does not mean you're destined to be a top coach.

Vice-versa, there's plenty of top quality coaches who haven't had a great footballing career.

You've either got it or you haven't.

The best managers are those who get results despite the circumstances.

Happily, VK is proving to be one of those. I'm afraid Parker, despite having qualities, is not of the same ilk.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:07 pm

Just confirmed: Parker is ousted after 2 wins in 12 games

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:09 pm

Carlton Palmer played for England. Means nowt.

HitchinClaret · Post by **HitchinClaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:33 pm

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:09 pm
Carlton Palmer played for England. Means nowt.

I see your Carlton Palmer and I raise you Jason Wilcox....

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:52 pm

Crikey. If Parker is classed as a crap player, then there won't be many players out there at all who aren't classed as crap or worse. Maybe a few percent of players have had better careers than him. That's clearly a nonsense statement, then.

He's also got two promotions to the PL on his CV as a manager. I don't particularly like his management style and I know nothing about his time in Belgium, but it seems to me many are so offended by his knitwear they've taken an over-emotional approach to evaluating him.

We don't do knitwear. We're Burnley.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:02 pm

None of these world cup-winning players made it in management
Bobby Charlton
Alan Ball
Bobby Moore
Gordan Banks
George Cohen
Nobby Stiles
Martin Peters
Geoff Hurst

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:10 pm

Nothing wrong with knitwear, plenty wrong with crap knitwear. And Scott Parker was a crap player long before he became known for being a crap manager wearing crap knitwear.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:18 pm

Good manager. Solid guy. Knows his onions.

Very bad manager. Very, very bad. Argh!!

equinox · Post by **equinox** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:18 pm

If I was Scott's Mum and Dad I'd have named him 'Nosey' just for fun.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:47 pm

HitchinClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:33 pm
I see your Carlton Palmer and I raise you Jason Wilcox....

I saw Jason Wilcox in the gents of a pub in Blackburn around that time.

I started to quietly hum the tune of 'If Wilcox plays for England, so can I'. He glared at me a lot and then flounced out.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:13 pm

dougcollins wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:47 pm
I saw Jason Wilcox in the gents of a pub in Blackburn around that time.

I started to quietly hum the tune of 'If Wilcox plays for England, so can I'. He glared at me a lot and then flounced out.

Was that to the tune of "I will if you will so will I"? If so- its no wonder he disappeared quickly.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:23 pm

LeadBelly wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:13 pm
Was that to the tune of "I will if you will so will I"? If so- its no wonder he disappeared quickly.

The very same.

I have a strong feeling he knew exactly what was going on.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:39 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:18 pm

Good manager. Solid guy. Knows his onions.

Very bad manager. Very, very bad. Argh!!

Are they getting Leonardo di Caprio to play him in the Movie

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ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:50 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:39 pm
Are they getting Leonardo di Caprio to play him in the Movie Leonardo-Dicaprio-Everything-Oscar.jpg

Crap actor plays crap manager shocker

It's a shame the film crew misunderstood the brief though and hired the wrong guy

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:54 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:50 pm
Crap actor plays crap manager shocker

It's a shame the film crew misunderstood the brief though and hired the wrong guy

No strings attached to di Caprio though

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:14 pm

I wonder when Scott Parker will show up at Watford, he might as well as everyone else has had their few months in charge.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:22 pm

NRC wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:02 pm
None of these world cup-winning players made it in management
Bobby Charlton
Alan Ball
Bobby Moore
Gordan Banks
George Cohen
Nobby Stiles
Martin Peters
Geoff Hurst

Ball had approaching 700 games as a manager, Stiles from recollection did OK at Preston. I can’t remember Peters, Cohen or Banks ever having managed a club.

sjb · Post by **sjb** » Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:29 pm

Best description of Parker I ever read was 'a well presented psychopath'.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:22 pm
Ball had approaching 700 games as a manager, Stiles from recollection did OK at Preston. I can’t remember Peters, Cohen or Banks ever having managed a club.

I'm aware of Ball's record, the context being he didn't tear it up, though he was probably the most successful (him or Jack Charlton).

Banks did coaching with Port Vale and Telford
Cohen did some coaching with Fulham and in non-league
Peters was player-manager at Sheffield United

The point being even if you look at England's most successful team, only two of them reached some level of success and none managed a "big club"

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:47 pm

NRC wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:21 pm
I'm aware of Ball's record, the context being he didn't tear it up, though he was probably the most successful (him or Jack Charlton).

Banks did coaching with Port Vale and Telford
Cohen did some coaching with Fulham and in non-league
Peters was player-manager at Sheffield United

The point being even if you look at England's most successful team, only two of them reached some level of success and none managed a "big club"

Jack Charlton was undoubtedly the best of them when it came to managing - Peters was merely caretaker manager at Sheffield United for one game which was drawn. And, as you've confirmed, Banks and Cohen didn't go into management.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:54 pm

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:11 am
Crap player turns out to be crap manager shocker.

crap manager? really? I think that's incredibly harsh and way too early to write him off. Has only been a manager for 4 years and has 2 promotions to the PL on his CV with 2 different clubs. 42 years old too.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:02 pm

As for crap player, well that's just a hilariously bad take. 18 caps for England in CM in an era where we had our strongest CM's ever (Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick).

We had some very good players behind those 4 of which Parker was one. Gareth Barry, Kevin Nolan, Owen Hargreaves, Danny Murphy.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:35 pm

Nah, he's crap.

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:13 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:54 pm
crap manager? really? I think that's incredibly harsh and way too early to write him off. Has only been a manager for 4 years and has 2 promotions to the PL on his CV with 2 different clubs. 42 years old too.

He is a crap manager though. His two promotions were with the teams that were far and away the strongest in the division but he only managed to limp them over the line on both occasions. Because of the way he looks/dresses he seemed to get labeled as an exciting, progressive whilst playing a style of football that would put Dyche to sleep. Whenever his squad is not the standout side in a league he gets slaughtered.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:17 pm

Mattster wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:13 am
He is a crap manager though. His two promotions were with the teams that were far and away the strongest in the division but he only managed to limp them over the line on both occasions. Because of the way he looks/dresses he seemed to get labeled as an exciting, progressive whilst playing a style of football that would put Dyche to sleep. Whenever his squad is not the standout side in a league he gets slaughtered.

Bournemouth weren't far and away stronger than the rest at all. That Fulham team needed a huge rebuild after relegation, they lost like 20 players after relegation and he took them up, not too dissimilar to what VK has done here but we're gonna likely win the league and they went up via the playoffs.

I agree his style of play is boring, like Dyches but you can't really argue with their Championship records and say they're awful managers.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:14 pm

Possibly the new Leicester manager, betting suspended etc.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:24 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:14 pm
Possibly the new Leicester manager, betting suspended etc.

Seems to be able to land jobs

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:27 pm

Two promotions in two seasons in The Championship isn’t it?

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:28 pm

The Foxes deserve better-wonder if they made an approach for Carrick. He would have been the perfect fit

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:32 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:27 pm
Two promotions in two seasons in The Championship isn’t it?

Yeah and maybe that's what they're looking for, another quick return

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:52 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:14 pm
Possibly the new Leicester manager, betting suspended etc.

Betting open

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/fo ... nt-manager

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:02 pm

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:10 pm
Nothing wrong with knitwear, plenty wrong with crap knitwear. And Scott Parker was a crap player long before he became known for being a crap manager wearing crap knitwear.

Absolute rubbish.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:04 pm

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:52 pm
Betting open

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/fo ... nt-manager

Brendan Rogers is available.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:11 pm

Eddie Howe didn't have a clue how to organize a defense, left Bournemouth and learned how to do it - he would walk into most jobs now, not saying Parker has had the time to do it but for his sake you would hope so