England Squad

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:11 pm

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Can anyone explain how 58 mins of first team football this season is justification for the call up of Kalvin Phillips?

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:15 pm

Harry Maguire, John Stones, Eric Dier ??

Mee and Tarks are best peforming fullbacks in the Prem at the moment.....

HiThere · Post by **HiThere** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:17 pm

No Tella!

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:18 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:11 pm
Can anyone explain how 58 mins of first team football this season is justification for the call up of Kalvin Phillips?

We don't have many options for that sort of position.

Jel · Post by **Jel** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:21 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:15 pm
Harry Maguire, John Stones, Eric Dier ??

Mee and Tarks are best peforming fullbacks in the Prem at the moment.....

They're never going to get selected, they play for... Oh hang on a minute!

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:21 pm

Pickles wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:18 pm
We don't have many options for that sort of position.

Must be someone else to try, or have in the squad for the experience, because Phillips won't be anywhere near match fit

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:23 pm

Name the alternative CDM other than Philips?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:29 pm

We really need another controller in midfield to come through. Carrick style player. Not sure there’s anyone out there.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:32 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:15 pm
Harry Maguire, John Stones, Eric Dier ??

Mee and Tarks are best peforming fullbacks in the Prem at the moment.....

They are definitely not the best performing CBs in the prem at the moment

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:34 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:32 pm
They are definitely not the best performing CBs in the prem at the moment

He didn't say they were

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:34 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:29 pm
We really need another controller in midfield to come through. Carrick style player. Not sure there’s anyone out there.

The only other CMS playing at a remotely decent standard are ward prowse, Loftus-Cheek, Dewsbury hall.

Not sure any of them are worth putting in ahead of Phillips

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:35 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:34 pm
He didn't say they were

He literally said

“Mee and Tarks are best peforming fullbacks in the Prem at the moment.....”

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:38 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:35 pm
He literally said

“Mee and Tarks are best peforming fullbacks in the Prem at the moment.....”

Yes he did, but it isn’t the same position that you said they weren’t the best performing in

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:39 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:23 pm
Name the alternative CDM other than Philips?

Doesn't need to be a direct replacement does it?
The man's played less than an hour of first team football this season.

Others could gain valuable experience from being in the squad

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:49 pm

Toney???!!!

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:24 pm

Picks Toney as he hasn't been found guilty, yet Toney has admitted most the charges... so he just left him out the World Cup squad
Doesn't pick Sterling as he hasn't played enough, previously hides behind players not letting him down
Picks Dier over Tomori

Welcome back Gareth, you squad picking has been missed

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:25 pm

More importantly Ekdal is in the Sweden squad

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:25 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:24 pm
Picks Toney as he hasn't been found guilty, yet Toney has admitted most the charges... so he just left him out the World Cup squad
Doesn't pick Sterling as he hasn't played enough, previously hides behind players not letting him down
Picks Dier over Tomori

Welcome back Gareth, you squad picking has been missed

He has said Sterling isn't fit and he absolutely would have picked him if he was so that's a bit of a swing and a miss

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:26 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:24 pm
Picks Toney as he hasn't been found guilty, yet Toney has admitted most the charges... so he just left him out the World Cup squad
Doesn't pick Sterling as he hasn't played enough, previously hides behind players not letting him down
Picks Dier over Tomori

Welcome back Gareth, you squad picking has been missed

I’m amazed he hasn’t picked Balogun to be honest

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:27 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:15 pm
Harry Maguire, John Stones, Eric Dier ??

Mee and Tarks are best peforming fullbacks in the Prem at the moment.....

Stones is the best English centre half by a mile, it's not even close at the moment. When he's fit, obvs.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:28 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:38 pm
Yes he did, but it isn’t the same position that you said they weren’t the best performing in

He’s clearly talking about CB given neither Mee or Tarks have played as a full back.

Either way his statement is completely wrong

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:29 pm

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:25 pm
He has said Sterling isn't fit and he absolutely would have picked him if he was so that's a bit of a swing and a miss

If that is the case fair do's I read left out due to lack of game time, hopefully he hasn't recovered by Saturday.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:41 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:26 pm
I’m amazed he hasn’t picked Balogun to be honest

You seen his Instagram post after the squad was announced?
About going where you're appreciated, which people are taking as he will go play for the USA instead.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:52 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:11 pm
20230316_151011.jpg

Can anyone explain how 58 mins of first team football this season is justification for the call up of Kalvin Phillips?

Form.

Well, that’s what GS told us squad selection would be all about under him.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:54 pm

Eric Dier!!??? He'd struggle to get in our bloody squad! (Shakes head!)

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:56 pm

Harry Maguire is a strange choice……yet again! His game has nose dived for far too long, rarely plays for his club but gets picked for England!? I’m sorry Gareth, but you really need to grow a pair!

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:57 pm

Significant dip in dressing room bantz following Coady's omission.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:21 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:41 pm
You seen his Instagram post after the squad was announced?
About going where you're appreciated, which people are taking as he will go play for the USA instead.

I didn’t see that. But can’t blame him tbh, he’s had an exceptional breakout season. At his age and in his form I was really surprised he wasn’t selected.

there was talk last year of Nigeria trying to call him up. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up playing for them.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:23 pm

Ampth7 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:56 pm
Harry Maguire is a strange choice……yet again! His game has nose dived for far too long, rarely plays for his club but gets picked for England!? I’m sorry Gareth, but you really need to grow a pair!

Maguire has always performed for England he’s not going to be dropped anytime soon.

The stand out strange choice at CB is Dier. He’s been poor for quite a while for both england and club. I am surprised neither tomori or Chalobah were called up in his place.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:26 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:23 pm
Maguire has always performed for England he’s not going to be dropped anytime soon.

The stand out strange choice at CB is Dier. He’s been poor for quite a while for both england and club. I am surprised neither tomori or Chalobah were called up in his place.

Chalobah has been poor this season and probably is Chelsea's 5th choice now. Tomori hasn't been great for Milan either, in the league at least.

I would have preferred to see Levi Colwill who's been outstanding for Brighton and fits the mould as a ball playing defender (left footed too).

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:26 pm

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:54 pm
Eric Dier!!??? He'd struggle to get in our bloody squad! (Shakes head!)

Only Kane and Holberg have started and played more league games for Spurs this season so maybe he's a little bit better than you give him credit for

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:27 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:24 pm
Picks Toney as he hasn't been found guilty, yet Toney has admitted most the charges... so he just left him out the World Cup squad
Doesn't pick Sterling as he hasn't played enough, previously hides behind players not letting him down
Picks Dier over Tomori

Welcome back Gareth, you squad picking has been missed

He's pleaded guilty ffs!!!!!!

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:29 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:26 pm
Chalobah has been poor this season and probably is Chelsea's 5th choice now. Tomori hasn't been great for Milan either, in the league at least.

I would have preferred to see Levi Colwill who's been outstanding for Brighton and fits the mould as a ball playing defender (left footed too).

Good shout. I’m surprised he hasn’t at least given a few of the next generation a chance (other than Geuhi).

4midable · Post by **4midable** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:30 pm

Most of em are overrated and crap

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:31 pm

When you look at that squad you can see why we don't win tournaments.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:36 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:29 pm
Good shout. I’m surprised he hasn’t at least given a few of the next generation a chance (other than Geuhi).

Yes I was hoping for a bit of a refresh here after the World Cup to be honest.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:38 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:29 pm
Good shout. I’m surprised he hasn’t at least given a few of the next generation a chance (other than Geuhi).

I think its a case of first games back together as a squad after a major tournement, it unusually falling at the back end of a long season and also straight into a couple of tough qualifiers.

Basically pick the players you know and trust to hit the ground runing and then in summer when we have a couple of easier games we'll see Southgate start to phase in some new players

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:02 pm

He said he’d pick players based on form.
He clearly told porkies
Southgate out!

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:12 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:38 pm
I think its a case of first games back together as a squad after a major tournement, it unusually falling at the back end of a long season and also straight into a couple of tough qualifiers.

Basically pick the players you know and trust to hit the ground runing and then in summer when we have a couple of easier games we'll see Southgate start to phase in some new players

Tbh I didn’t even think of this. I went the other direction and thought he would see it as a new opportunity to bring in fresh blood.

Your reasoning does make more sense to be honest.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:20 pm

Italy and Ukraine first up in the Euro qualifiers, so I can why Gareth has opted for experience.

Toney is a strange one as he's almost certain to face a lengthy ban soon.

5 City players in that squad, so hopefully their minds aren't focused on Saturday, highly doubt it though.

equinox · Post by **equinox** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:22 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:21 pm
Must be someone else to try, or have in the squad for the experience, because Phillips won't be anywhere near match fit

It's called building a squad, you can't just keep 'trying' people who've recently had a good game.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:29 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:26 pm
Only Kane and Holberg have started and played more league games for Spurs this season so maybe he's a little bit better than you give him credit for

I'm not fussed how many games he's started. He's distinctly average (on a VERY good day!)

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:39 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:29 pm
If that is the case fair do's I read left out due to lack of game time, hopefully he hasn't recovered by Saturday.

Why, are we playing Chelsea?

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:39 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:29 pm
If that is the case fair do's I read left out due to lack of game time, hopefully he hasn't recovered by Saturday.

You have a soft spot for Everton?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:56 pm

equinox wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:22 pm
It's called building a squad, you can't just keep 'trying' people who've recently had a good game.

He's tried people before, but picking a guy who's not even played an hour this season is hardly beneficial for the squad

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:00 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:56 pm
He's tried people before, but picking a guy who's not even played an hour this season is hardly beneficial for the squad

Southgate obviously thinks it’s beneficial to Phillips and the squad to get Phillips back into the group. Who would you have picked instead?

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:05 pm

Nobody's mentioned Mount and Henderson who hardly get picked for their club team .

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:09 pm

expoultryboy wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:05 pm
Nobody's mentioned Mount and Henderson who hardly get picked for their club team .

Mount has played loads.

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:45 pm

If Burnley had to play against that squad I’d give us a 50-50 chance.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:00 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:29 pm
We really need another controller in midfield to come through. Carrick style player. Not sure there’s anyone out there.

There's one at Spurs - Oliver Skipp. But for injuries I suspect he'd be pushing for a call up by now. Very talented lad.

Harry Winks was another but he seems to have gone off the boil. Then there's the lad Garner who left united for Everton last summer and has unfortunately Bern injured ever since.

But it's certainly a position that tends to be under stocked in this country.