Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[Swizzlestick]

Lukebakio off to Sevilla

They had to transfer list their entire squad last month due to debts of c. €100m so that's an interesting one.

[RVclaret]

Sacha:

#SevillaCF could hijack the deal for Dodi Lukebakio !
As the Spanish club didn't have money to spend, relationship trough 777Partners (shareholder group of the two teams) could help to facilitate the deal between #HerthaBSC & #Sevilla.
As revealed on the 8th August, #BurnleyFC was the only club that gave 11M€ + 2M€ on the table for the player to #HerthaBerlin
The Belgian winger never wanted to play for a relegation team & was hesitating till the end as he always told since the beginning of the window he wanted to play Champions League football after his german journey.
I understand also Lukebakio took a flight on Friday with his entourage.
Very strange case so Wait&See. #mercato #DiablesRouges

[Claret Alfie]

It’s understandable if he wanted to go to Sevilla for Champions League football and a probable Europa League trophy. Good to know these are the type of teams we’re competing with players for.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Unless there’s a chance of the Bakayoko deal, time to push the boat out for Tella?

[KRBFC]

So disappointing to miss out on Lukebakio, I thought he’d be our signing of the summer. I don’t see us going anywhere near the likely Bakayoko fee and Tresor will likely go elsewhere.

[Commy]

Other teams after Tresor but they are asking too much for him. No doubt someone will pay the money nearer the end of the window.

[RVclaret]

Unless there’s a chance of the Bakayoko deal, time to push the boat out for Tella?

If we’re honest Tella doesn’t belong in the same convo as Bakayoko and Lukebakio.

[Nori1958]

It’s understandable if he wanted to go to Sevilla for Champions League football and a probable Europa League trophy. Good to know these are the type of teams we’re competing with players for.

Doesn't want a relegation fight which it sounds like he thinks we would be in. Time to look elsewhere

[Nori1958]

If we’re honest Tella doesn’t belong in the same convo as Bakayoko and Lukebakio.

I'd never heard of them till about 3 days ago

[BurnleyFC]

I'd never heard of them till about 3 days ago

Ditto. Never heard of the pair of them. That’s not to say they wouldn’t be any good, but there’s no guarantees either way.

[Elizabeth]

Tella is a player we know will offer us something good on and off the field. . I'm sure Stoke fans were mesmerised when they signed that class player Bojan and we all know how badly that turned out for them

[summitclaret]

Tella has electric pace, seemed to love being here and a great chance conversion rate. What's not to like?

[claretspice]

Given the number of options we already have for the right wing (Koleosho, Benson, Larsen, Redmond, Vitinho if we are away and want someone to focus on pressing, Amdouni if we want Foster down the middle and say Zaroury or Redmond left, JBG, Odobert) I'm not sure we need to panic on the right hand side.

Lukebakio clearly has pedigree and would have added something and there is a vacancy for a player of his or Tella's ilk to add raw pace and power. But we have if anything too many options to fit into 2 or 3 off-the-front man positions already so we don't need to settle for second best and we certainly don't need someone who isn't seen as an immediate starting option.

[northeastclaret]

It’s understandable if he wanted to go to Sevilla for Champions League football and a probable Europa League trophy. Good to know these are the type of teams we’re competing with players for.

Does he not realise we are heading for a European place this season not a relegation fight.

It just shows that it’s usually the players that hold the upper hand when transfers are about to complete, as they play off other options. Good to see that it appears that we can play that game as well. On this occasion we have lost out but expect we have other targets being played as well.

[Gordaleman]

Interesting that Tella and Barnes both played in Southampton's 4-4 draw against Norwich yesterday. Neither got a goal or even an assist.

That's not to say I wouldn't welcome Tella back at a sensible price if he wants to come.

[KRBFC]

Sacha did say Sevilla COULD hijack, I still remain hopeful given the wording and the fact Lukebakio has been in England since Friday.

[RVclaret]

Tella has electric pace, seemed to love being here and a great chance conversion rate. What's not to like?

Quite lightweight and failed at PL level last time are the two concerns for me, plus a supposed record breaking transfer fee of 15-20m needed. Our other right wing option (Benson) is also lightweight and it seems we’ve been targeting a bit more physicality, which makes sense given the size of these Premier League teams.

[RVclaret]

Sacha did say Sevilla COULD hijack, I still remain hopeful given the wording and the fact Lukebakio has been in England since Friday.

The accounts that broke this news last night before Sacha said it’s definitely already off

[BigChaCha]

Claret Alfie wrote:

It’s understandable if he wanted to go to Sevilla for Champions League football and a probable Europa League trophy. Good to know these are the type of teams we’re competing with players for.

A far better lifestyle and weather also help to make that an easy decision as well!

[claretspice]

Quite lightweight and failed at PL level last time are the two concerns for me, plus a supposed record breaking transfer fee of 15-20m needed. Our other right wing option (Benson) is also lightweight and it seems we’ve been targeting a bit more physicality, which makes sense given the size of these Premier League teams.

Don't agree that Tella is lightweight, certainly not as a winger. He presses really robustly and has a decent amount of upper body strength. Sure, he's unproven at Premier League level but then he's not had a Premier League season on the back of a successful Championship season before.

He may not be worth the fee demanded by Southampton, but if so I don't think it's because he's not robust enough. His age is a factor - he's just 24 so only really has 18 months before his value tops out.

[Pickles]

Something on Trésor, though seems we're no longer pursuing that

[bpgburn]

Quite lightweight and failed at PL level last time are the two concerns for me, plus a supposed record breaking transfer fee of 15-20m needed. Our other right wing option (Benson) is also lightweight and it seems we’ve been targeting a bit more physicality, which makes sense given the size of these Premier League teams.

How did he fail at PL Level when he didn't get in the side? Also did you not see the size of some of the teams in the Championship that both Tella and Benny dealt with?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Don't agree that Tella is lightweight, certainly not as a winger. He presses really robustly and has a decent amount of upper body strength. Sure, he's unproven at Premier League level but then he's not had a Premier League season on the back of a successful Championship season before.

He may not be worth the fee demanded by Southampton, but if so I don't think it's because he's not robust enough. His age is a factor - he's just 24 so only really has 18 months before his value tops out.

Going from Lukebako to Tella is like going from Haaland to Lukaku.

Both good players but one is playing at a level or two higher.

[daveisaclaret]

It will be gutting for all the posters who pretend to watch foreign football if we sign Tella instead of Lukebakio.

[Jakubs Tash]

Given the number of options we already have for the right wing (Koleosho, Benson, Larsen, Redmond, Vitinho if we are away and want someone to focus on pressing, Amdouni if we want Foster down the middle and say Zaroury or Redmond left, JBG, Odobert) I'm not sure we need to panic on the right hand side.

Lukebakio clearly has pedigree and would have added something and there is a vacancy for a player of his or Tella's ilk to add raw pace and power. But we have if anything too many options to fit into 2 or 3 off-the-front man positions already so we don't need to settle for second best and we certainly don't need someone who isn't seen as an immediate starting option.

Koleosho - very young and very raw.
Benson - number one option currently on the right but is incapable of playing 90 mins and often injured.
Vitinho - offers ZERO as a winger.
Larsen - more of a left winger than a right winger but also an unknown quantity to us fans.
Redmond - Not sure he’s seen as a right winger even though he can obviously play there.

IMO I think we definitely still need a right winger who can start and dovetail with Benson for 60/30 mins.

Also, really don’t see JBG as a winger at this higher level where the game is much quicker.

[quoonbeatz]

I keep reading this weird concept that Tella failed in the PL. He's had 17 starts in 2 seasons, when he was 21/22, and has played 1000 less minutes at this level than he did in his one season with us. Hardly a failure, given he's hardly played there.

[louieollie]

Quite lightweight and failed at PL level last time are the two concerns for me, plus a supposed record breaking transfer fee of 15-20m needed. Our other right wing option (Benson) is also lightweight and it seems we’ve been targeting a bit more physicality, which makes sense given the size of these Premier League teams.

Also don't agree that Tella is lightweight or at least anymore so than Benson/Zaroury/etc. You point out he failed at PL level previously so can you give guarantees the plethora of new young foreign and indeed English talent VK has deemed good enough to recruit for the coming season won't also fail.

[daveisaclaret]

I keep reading this weird concept that Tella failed in the PL. He's had 17 starts in 2 seasons, when he was 21/22, and has played 1000 less minutes at this level than he did in his one season with us. Hardly a failure, given he's hardly played there.

Looks like a failure if your opinion is based on his Wikipedia page, I reckon.

[davideyresleftear]

It will be gutting for all the posters who pretend to watch foreign football if we sign Tella instead of Lukebakio.

Jokes on you, I get all my quality foreign player news from Football Manager

[Newcastleclaret93]

Looks like a failure if your opinion is based on his Wikipedia page, I reckon.

Your right. Tella is such a good player that his own club didn’t even want him for there relegation battle.

[matttheclaret]

Your right. Tella is such a good player that his own club didn’t even want him for there relegation battle.

And how did that work out for them?

[RVclaret]

Also don't agree that Tella is lightweight or at least anymore so than Benson/Zaroury/etc. You point out he failed at PL level previously so can you give guarantees the plethora of new young foreign and indeed English talent VK has deemed good enough to recruit for the coming season won't also fail.

Yeah I’d say similar to Zaroury or Benson in size and strength, but that’s kinda my point, I was hoping we add more physicality… someone with the robustness of JBG but pace of Tella. Watching these Prem games and it’s quite notable how tall and strong players are (as well as technical). I still feel this is an area we lack in. For what it’s worth if Tella does sign I’ll be backing him 100%! Just sharing some concerns particularly at a club record fee.

[daveisaclaret]

Your right. Tella is such a good player that his own club didn’t even want him for there relegation battle.

Nathan Jones was sacked 12 days after the last day they could have recalled Tella

[forzagranata]

If we don't sign Tella it won't be because of any football reason - it will be because Pace won't pay 20 million to Southampton for him.

We wouldn't be bidding to sign him and creating 'Free Tella' videos if VK doesn't think he is good enough for the PL.

[Newcastleclaret93]

And how did that work out for them?

I really do not get the lovin with Tella. He was good last year, VK clearly is going for much bigger fish and wanting to achieve things Tella won’t help us achieve.

Look at Brownhill and Twine they are in the exact same position. Decent seasons at championship level but VK has immediately upgraded and gone for bigger better players.

People need to stop being so attached to players

[bpgburn]

Your right. Tella is such a good player that his own club didn’t even want him for there relegation battle.

That's more a reflection on the poor management decisions of Southampton than Tella, didn't they go on to lose that relegation battle without him??

[Newcastleclaret93]

That's more a reflection on the poor management decisions of Southampton than Tella, didn't they go on to lose that relegation battle without him??

I don’t get your logic at all. The club and coaches that have worked with him for years deemed him not good enough but our fan base think he is going to come up and tear it up.

[forzagranata]

I really do not get the lovin with Tella. He was good last year, VK clearly is going for much bigger fish and wanting to achieve things Tella won’t help us achieve.

Look at Brownhill and Twine they are in the exact same position. Decent seasons at championship level but VK has immediately upgraded and gone for bigger better players.

People need to stop being so attached to players

So why have we tried to sign Tella and made an offer to Southampton for him, if VK doesn't rate him?

The *only* reason Tella isn't already a Burnley player is because we haven't agreed a fee with Southampton.

[claretspice]

Koleosho - very young and very raw.
Benson - number one option currently on the right but is incapable of playing 90 mins and often injured.
Vitinho - offers ZERO as a winger.
Larsen - more of a left winger than a right winger but also an unknown quantity to us fans.
Redmond - Not sure he’s seen as a right winger even though he can obviously play there.

IMO I think we definitely still need a right winger who can start and dovetail with Benson for 60/30 mins.

Also, really don’t see JBG as a winger at this higher level where the game is much quicker.

Not sure why you wouldn't see JBG as a winger at this level, he's played the best part of 150 games on the right wing in the Premier League and is still only 32. He's clearly an option in that position.

Otherwise much of that it fair if a bit negative. They are all options and the point is we have plenty. We only need another if it is a genuine starting option.

[louieollie]

Yeah I’d say similar to Zaroury or Benson in size and strength, but that’s kinda my point, I was hoping we add more physicality… someone with the robustness of JBG but pace of Tella. Watching these Prem games and it’s quite notable how tall and strong players are (as well as technical). I still feel this is an area we lack in. For what it’s worth if Tella does sign I’ll be backing him 100%! Just sharing some concerns particularly at a club record fee.

Fair enough concerns and to a degree I'm with you RV, maybe I'm an old romantic in that I'd love a player that the vast majority love and appreciated his all round effort with no end of ability be given the chance to prove the doubters wrong.

[AfloatinClaret]

...They're potentially sort of loan deals but with one club (Burnley in this case) making some profit.

My thoughts too, seemingly with some sort of commitment to buy irrespective of performance and/or some money paid upfront. The original club would only be able to re-purchase the player during a transfer window anyway and including some sort of 'notice of intent' to do so wouldn't seem an unreasonable contract clause to include. Certainly it might curtail any potential re-sale profits, though there seems almost invariably to be a 'sell-on' clause included anyway doing that nowadays, but it also reduces the initial cost/risk of buying a 'promising' player; they don't all fulfill that potential.
Think how happy we'd have been now had Tella, THB and Maatsen been secured with similar deals; though last summer we perhaps didn't have the credit score necessary to finance such deals for them?

[Newcastleclaret93]

So why have we tried to sign Tella and made an offer to Southampton for him, if VK doesn't rate him?

The *only* reason Tella isn't already a Burnley player is because we haven't agreed a fee with Southampton.

I haven’t seen any evidence of a bid at all.

VK is targeting much better players with clear evidence of bids

[claretspice]

I really do not get the lovin with Tella. He was good last year, VK clearly is going for much bigger fish and wanting to achieve things Tella won’t help us achieve.

Look at Brownhill and Twine they are in the exact same position. Decent seasons at championship level but VK has immediately upgraded and gone for bigger better players.

People need to stop being so attached to players

We need to be careful we don't undervalue continuity too, though.

[daveisaclaret]

I don’t get your logic at all. The club and coaches that have worked with him for years deemed him not good enough but our fan base think he is going to come up and tear it up.

A manager who joined when Tella was already at Burnley and was sacked almost immediately after not recalling him is somehow the basis for your opinion, do you not feel silly calling that logic?

[agreenwood]

I’m not having it that our non-Belgium/German based posters watched a Hertha Berlin player regularly last season.

Lukebakio might be an excellent player, but all bar a tiny minority on here have not been watching him.

[Newcastleclaret93]

A manager who joined when Tella was already at Burnley and was sacked almost immediately after not recalling him is somehow the basis for your opinion, do you not feel silly calling that logic?

Dave do you think it’s just the manager that decides?

Clearly everyone involved in the process at Southampton were not interested in bringing him back.

If you believe Southampton Fans they are not sure Tella will even start the next game at championship level.

[JimmyRobbo]

I keep reading this weird concept that Tella failed in the PL. He's had 17 starts in 2 seasons, when he was 21/22, and has played 1000 less minutes at this level than he did in his one season with us. Hardly a failure, given he's hardly played there.

Your defence is that he couldn't get into a Premier League struggling side as he was emerging and being given opportunities then was farmed out on loan to a league below; such was the impression of him at his club? I would suggest that smells very much of "failure". Ages 21-24 is very much where you should be showing your development.

I can undestand people not seeing that as failure but it doesn't guarantee that he will always be such.

I like him. I think he was very good for us last season. He had poor games but he also had some quality moments (the goal away against Coventry stands out). I wouldn't think £20m is a wise investment for our club.

Whatever our current ownership do, I support their move. They have overwhelmingly shown sound judgement.

[Pickles]

Look at Brownhill and Twine they are in the exact same position. Decent seasons at championship level but VK has immediately upgraded and gone for bigger better players.

Isn't the exact same position because Tella was very good last season and Twine, well, wasn't.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Isn't the exact same position because Tella was very good last season and Twine, well, wasn't.

I would say Brownhill was last season?

He’s been immediately replaced

[bpgburn]

I don’t get your logic at all. The club and coaches that have worked with him for years deemed him not good enough but our fan base think he is going to come up and tear it up.

Because you don't understand logic..