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by Hedontplayforyou » Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:35 pm
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:48 pm
Veiga - 4m
Bakayoko - 25m
Tierney - loan with option to buy
To end the window, thanks for coming
Scratch Tierney off he’s going Sociedad.
Bakayoko bid rejected also
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by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:36 pm
Commy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:25 pm
The problem is that we go in with low offers and keep upping them so that someone bigger comes in and offers the right amount. If we really want him we have to get nearer the price now and get it done or, if it's too much, walk away. Brighton didn't come in for the goalkeeper for quite a while. We could have had that one done before they even thought about it instead of messing around with low ball offers.
The offer isn’t a low offer in terms of what Burnley normally offer and in regards to Verbruggen wasn’t it the case of his agent playing games and making certain demands
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by 4midable » Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:42 pm
Anyone reluctant to have a player like lukaku at burnley hasnt the slightest clue about football
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by Steddyman » Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:43 pm
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:39 pm
Liverpool literately only got linked with bakayoko in the case of salah leaving
Which is now looking very likely with the Saudi's involved and willing to pay him more than Ronaldo to come.
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by Spijed » Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:11 pm
Does VK have a sign above his desk that says
"You can never have too many wingers"?
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by NewClaret » Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:36 pm
Bakayoko looks phenomenal from his highlights. Can’t see this one happening with him being so expensive, other clubs interested and it arguably being our strongest position with Benson/Koleosho. It’s not as though it’s a posies need to push the boat out for.
All a smokescreen for Maatsen I reckon
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by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:40 pm
NewClaret wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:36 pm
Bakayoko looks phenomenal from his highlights. Can’t see this one happening with him being so expensive, other clubs interested and it arguably being our strongest position with Benson/Koleosho. It’s not as though it’s a posies need to push the boat out for.
All a smokescreen for Maatsen I reckon
Aye a right winger is a smokescreen for left back Maatsen
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by NewClaret » Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:48 pm
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:40 pm
Aye a right winger is a smokescreen for left back Maatsen
Did you not see the emoji’s?
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by DCWat » Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:50 pm
NewClaret wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:48 pm
Did you not see the emoji’s?
I could only see the pansies, but they’ve gone now.
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by dsr » Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:55 pm
Commy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:25 pm
The problem is that we go in with low offers and keep upping them so that someone bigger comes in and offers the right amount. If we really want him we have to get nearer the price now and get it done or, if it's too much, walk away. Brighton didn't come in for the goalkeeper for quite a while. We could have had that one done before they even thought about it instead of messing around with low ball offers.
I haven't seen much evidence lately that we're struggling to sign players.
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by Jakubclaret » Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:41 pm
dsr wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:55 pm
I haven't seen much evidence lately that we're struggling to sign players.
We aren't but the quality of the signings can be questionable & of course over time that will become apparent without writing the new signings off before they've been given a chance, any old club can literally sign 10 new players overnight whether they are good or not is another thing.
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by Vegas Claret » Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:41 pm
4midable wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:42 pm
Anyone reluctant to have a player like lukaku at burnley hasnt the slightest clue about football
funny that, look at the queue of clubs trying to sign him............he isn't what he once was that's for sure, seriously lost his way when he decided to leave Inter and go back to Chelsea. That said, if VK can get him I won't be disappointed
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by dsr » Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:43 pm
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:41 pm
We aren't but the quality of the signings can be questionable & of course over time that will become apparent without writing the new signings off before they've been given a chance, any old club can literally sign 10 new players overnight whether they are good or not is another thing.
The point is that you can't sign 10 new players overnight if you are making lowball bids below what their club thinks they are worth.
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by Jakubclaret » Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:48 pm
dsr wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:43 pm
The point is that you can't sign 10 new players overnight if you are making lowball bids below what their club thinks they are worth.
That leads to a separate entity whether the valuations are right, if you need the money you will accept less, Southampton are a prime example in not needing the money. It's common practice usually to go in low & meet in the middle but football as it's own set of rules where anything can happen unexpectedly & often does.
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by mybloodisclaret » Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:00 am
I think we have all come to realise that our transfers are done over weeks and weeks of effort. Not overnight. Most players who signed said they knew of interest a long time prior to signing. We just need to get the last couple or so over the line. Pace, Vinny et al have my 100% confidence. The club is looking strong and it's a long time since we've been that.
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by Anthonini » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:23 am
NewClaret wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:36 pm
Bakayoko looks phenomenal from his highlights. Can’t see this one happening with him being so expensive, other clubs interested and it arguably being our strongest position with Benson/Koleosho. It’s not as though it’s a posies need to push the boat out for.
All a smokescreen for Maatsen I reckon
Honestly anywhere under 30m is a bargain for this player. If you see Doku who's maybe a better dribbler and more explosive but less in every other aspect getting transferred for 50-60m. Bakayoko also doesn't have the injury proneness Doku has. For me he's a really well rounded young talent with no negative things to mention whatsoever. We could be talking about the next Mane or Hazard in terms of ability.
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by Anthonini » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:34 am
Also it baffles me that people think that we can be counting on Redmond and Koleosho as starters for Burnley. Zaroury and Benson are quality players but they won't play every minute every match. We really need a winger that makes us stronger than last season. Losing Tella and Maatsen is a big quality loss. Koleosho is a big talent and he might surprise everyone, but we can't count on player that might surprise. We need more certainty that a player will produce for us this season. Especially the wings, left back and striker too. If you let Weghorst and Barnes go there needs to come something in place.
Look at the teams we are facing this season... I feel like offensively we are too weak at the moment. Also that quality left back or maybe even two of them is quite urgent.
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by bumba » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:46 am
Anthonini wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:34 am
Also it baffles me that people think that we can be counting on Redmond and Koleosho as starters for Burnley. Zaroury and Benson are quality players but they won't play every minute every match. We really need a winger that makes us stronger than last season. Losing Tella and Maatsen is a big quality loss. Koleosho is a big talent and he might surprise everyone, but we can't count on player that might surprise. We need more certainty that a player will produce for us this season. Especially the wings, left back and striker too. If you let Weghorst and Barnes go there needs to come something in place.
Look at the teams we are facing this season... I feel like offensively we are too weak at the moment. Also that quality left back or maybe even two of them is quite urgent.
Redmond is better and more experienced than Tella, we've also got Odabert and Bruun Larsson
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by Ightenhill_Claret » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:54 am
mybloodisclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:00 am
I think we have all come to realise that our transfers are done over weeks and weeks of effort. Not overnight. Most players who signed said they knew of interest a long time prior to signing. We just need to get the last couple or so over the line. Pace, Vinny et al have my 100% confidence. The club is looking strong and it's a long time since we've been that.
I think this is a really good point. The transfers that seemingly come out of nowhere (Amoundi I think is a great example) talk about the move being on the cards for weeks/months. And most of them are happening under the radar.
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by Holtyclaret » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:56 am
The problem is (which isn’t really a problem) that we don’t pay the same wages as Brighton, Liverpool or apparently Seville. We’re heavily recruiting but not letting wage bill run away from us.
Bakoyoko is a lucky punt that may or not come off, personally think he’ll end up at a bigger club, last minute for €40m.
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by 123EasyasBFC » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:17 am
Anthonini wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:34 am
Also it baffles me that people think that we can be counting on Redmond and Koleosho as starters for Burnley. Zaroury and Benson are quality players but they won't play every minute every match. We really need a winger that makes us stronger than last season. Losing Tella and Maatsen is a big quality loss. Koleosho is a big talent and he might surprise everyone, but we can't count on player that might surprise. We need more certainty that a player will produce for us this season. Especially the wings, left back and striker too. If you let Weghorst and Barnes go there needs to come something in place.
Look at the teams we are facing this season... I feel like offensively we are too weak at the moment. Also that quality left back or maybe even two of them is quite urgent.
Underestimating the importance of a player like Redmond, can play across the front 3 and plenty of experience
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by Blyclaret » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:23 am
As I keep saying Tella had one good season. In Championship.No premier league experience. At the prices quoted far too expensive.
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by Anthonini » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:29 am
You're right I am because I don't know him. What I've seen from him from last season looks very good but I'm still not thinking we've improved on the flanks after last season.
Looking at the league and what we want to achieve we should be happy just staying in there. Only Amdouni so far came in as a real asset so far. Redmond looks good, I could be mistaken but Zaroury and Benson still seem better to me. Koleosho is promising but you can't build on him. If he does well it's a plus. Bruun Larsen same story. We can never count on him to be starting for us and expect to actually win games this season.
He was OK at Anderlecht never really standing out apart from a few nice goals he made.
Still waiting for the actual quality injection there instead of just getting players in for depth or players who could become assets like Odobert. Hopefully Bakayoko can be that player.
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by gandhisflipflop » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:55 am
Blyclaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:23 am
As I keep saying Tella had one good season. In Championship.No premier league experience. At the prices quoted far too expensive.
None of our young signings have PL experience. That’s the market we are in. I do agree though that the prices quoted are too much and I’d be rightly looking elsewhere. As much as I loved tella last season, he isn’t irreplaceable with this recruitment team.
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by Hipper » Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:11 am
4midable wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:42 pm
Anyone reluctant to have a player like lukaku at burnley hasnt the slightest clue about football
I recall Lukaku in his second time at Chelsea. In an early game, I think, he was at times stunning, unplayable, against Aston Villa. However it required Chelsea to play to Lukaku's strengths. When they did he scored. When they didn't he offered little. To me he is like Haaland (or Duncan McKenzie if anyone remembers him) in that you need a team of ten players to accommodate them. We don't play like that and nor do we have good enough players.
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by burnley007 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:17 am
Anyone who considers, even for a split second, that Lukaku could play for us this season must be on glue!
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by Anthonini » Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:32 am
Hipper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:11 am
I recall Lukaku in his second time at Chelsea. In an early game, I think, he was at times stunning, unplayable, against Aston Villa. However it required Chelsea to play to Lukaku's strengths. When they did he scored. When they didn't he offered little. To me he is like Haaland (or Duncan McKenzie if anyone remembers him) in that you need a team of ten players to accommodate them. We don't play like that and nor do we have good enough players.
His first goal for Everton was crazy. Wins a header and scores while the defender headbutts him that knocked him out cold for a few seconds.
I see Lukaku as a possibility only if no other options get presented to him before closing of the transfer window. Kompany could give him a way out.
But I can't imagine teams like AS Roma Napoli Tottenham not trying to go and get him. He can win you the league even. No signs of aging yet, still a fast tank that scores tons of goals.
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by gandhisflipflop » Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:40 am
Hipper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:11 am
I recall Lukaku in his second time at Chelsea. In an early game, I think, he was at times stunning, unplayable, against Aston Villa. However it required Chelsea to play to Lukaku's strengths. When they did he scored. When they didn't he offered little. To me he is like Haaland (or Duncan McKenzie if anyone remembers him) in that you need a team of ten players to accommodate them. We don't play like that and nor do we have good enough players.
You do not need a team of ten players to accommodate haaland. Chris wood yes. Haaland no.
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by jojomk1 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:52 am
burnley007 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:17 am
Anyone who considers, even for a split second, that Lukaku could play for us this season must be on glue!
Apparently still Chelsea's highest paid player on £300k per week - so say SSN
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by 4midable » Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:01 pm
Hipper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:11 am
I recall Lukaku in his second time at Chelsea. In an early game, I think, he was at times stunning, unplayable, against Aston Villa. However it required Chelsea to play to Lukaku's strengths. When they did he scored. When they didn't he offered little. To me he is like Haaland (or Duncan McKenzie if anyone remembers him) in that you need a team of ten players to accommodate them. We don't play like that and nor do we have good enough players.
Hes a beast of a player. Like haaland
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by Burnley1989 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:01 pm
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:40 am
You do not need a team of ten players to accommodate haaland. Chris wood yes. Haaland no.
I'm glad someone else pulled that one up
I was in the gym shaking my head
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by burnley007 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:03 pm
jojomk1 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:52 am
Apparently still Chelsea's highest paid player on £300k per week - so say SSN
Ouch!
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by Ampth7 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:13 pm
burnley007 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:17 am
Anyone who considers, even for a split second, that Lukaku could play for us this season must be on glue!
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by BigGaz » Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:55 pm
burnley007 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:17 am
Anyone who considers, even for a split second, that Lukaku could play for us this season must be on glue!
You just know that the equivalent posts are out there somewhere on their respective forums:
Brum007 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:17 am
Anyone who considers, even for a split second, that Dugarry could play for us this season must be on glue!
Wanderer007post_id=2164593 wrote:Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:17 am
Anyone who considers, even for a split second, that Djorkaeff, Hierro and Anelka could play for us this season must be on glue!
Fulham007post_id=2164593 wrote:Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:17 am
Anyone who considers, even for a split second, that Van Der Sar could play for us this season must be on glue!
Iron007post_id=2164593 wrote:Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:17 am
Anyone who considers, even for a split second, that Tevez & Mascherano could play for us this season must be on glue!
Boro007post_id=2164593 wrote:Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:17 am
Anyone who considers, even for a split second, that Ravanelli and Juninho could play for us this season must be on glue!
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by Venkys4eva » Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:19 pm
BigGaz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:55 pm
You just know that the equivalent posts are out there somewhere on their respective forums:
Ha ha what a troll catch
007 as been caught
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by 4midable » Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:15 pm
Lukaku to roma
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by Rick_Muller » Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:19 pm
or not... just some editing of the quote from BigGaz...
NotRumbled wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:12 pm
007 rumbled.
CleverPost wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:12 pm
007 rumbled.
EasyDone wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:12 pm
007 rumbled.
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by burnley007 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:32 pm
4midable wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:15 pm
Lukaku to roma
Not Burnley??
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by AfloatinClaret » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:27 pm
4midable wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:42 pm
Anyone reluctant to have a player like lukaku at burnley hasnt the slightest clue about football
Anyone who's 'reluctant' to have Lukaku clearly holds a different opinion to yourself, but to say they don't have'the slightest clue', pre-supposes that you do; I'm not altogether convinced by that assumption.
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by CharlieinNewMexico » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:41 pm
AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:27 pm
Anyone who's 'reluctant' to have Lukaku clearly holds a different opinion to yourself, but to say they don't have'the slightest clue', pre-supposes that you do; I'm not altogether convinced by that assumption.
File under the “obviously haven’t played the game” -ers, too
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by Rick_Muller » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:30 pm
Is it going to happen…!
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perhaps to Spurs
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by Tricky Trevor » Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:14 pm
Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:30 pm
Is it going to happen…!
perhaps to Spurs
Roma have reps over trying to do a deal.
I’d like us to sign Adam Wharton from the fiddlers and stick him in the U21s. He’s obviously not good enough for our first team but it wouldn’t half p!ss them off.
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by ervi34 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:23 pm
Tella joining Bayer Leverkusen .
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by Swizzlestick » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:24 pm
For £20m!
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by Father Jack » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:28 pm
Have got say that Saints high valuation was correct in the end because someone was prepared to pay it.
Wonder if we’ll stand firm to our valuations or get swept along and pay more to get our final targets done.
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by 123EasyasBFC » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:30 pm
Fair play to tella great move for him, but 20m is some cash
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by Vegas Claret » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:33 pm
that's 20 million PLUS sell on. Far too much