The Homeless and William

[TomSmith xe/xem/xyr]

Should he keep out of it ? He has enough land to build accommodation to house them. Is he releasing any of it ? I wonder how many empty rooms the Royals have available on any given night.

[Quickenthetempo]

I can tell you, every member of the homeless teams trying hard to sort the homeless problem out, have houses.

If he can help, let him.

[Mrpotatohead]

I understand the sentiment but if I think about it for any prolonged period of time I settle on thinking he can't do right for doing wrong tbh.

[Red Fox Rocks Socks]

Having spent considerable time working with homeless charities in the East Lancs I can categorically tell you that anyone who is willing to engage with homeless charities should be housed in days

[GodIsADeeJay81]

If he can use his money/influence to make the world a better place for those who need it then crack on.

[Jakubclaret]

The cynical in me says it's a publicity stunt that said I'll reserve judgement until/if he sets out to do what he's said he's going to do. If he makes any sort of meaningful difference he'll deserve credit/recognition.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Should he keep out of it ? He has enough land to build accommodation to house them. Is he releasing any of it ? I wonder how many empty rooms the Royals have available on any given night.

I mean I have a decent car but I can’t go around giving everyone who hasn’t a lift?!

Madness statement

[bfcjg]

He seems like a really decent guy, rich people housing a few people won't solve the underlying cause of homelessness it has to be a multi agency approach.
Also it needs to be said that some people choose that lifestyle which is their right,some people also just don't know how to live in houses, social housing providers bend over backwards to keep roofs over people's heads but when their house gets constantly trashed and isca centre of drug use and anti social behaviour they have no other choice but to evict.

[beddie]

I think more than anything he’s bringing the problem to the front, so to speak and that’s got to be a good thing. Surely it can only help. He comes across to me anyway as a really good bloke and looks to have many of his Mother’s traits.

[Burnley Ace]

Solving homelessness isn’t just about building more houses and there are so many reasons that it can’t be dealt with by just giving everyone a house.

[BurnleyFC]

The cynical in me says it's a publicity stunt that said I'll reserve judgement until/if he sets out to do what he's said he's going to do. If he makes any sort of meaningful difference he'll deserve credit/recognition.

I genuinely don’t think he’s the type for publicity stunts.

[Clovius Boofus]

If you are so inclined, I suppose you can find your reasons for having a pop at the RF, but it sure is scraping the bottom of the barrel if you are going to have a pop at one of them for doing something for the homeless.

[TomSmith xe/xem/xyr]

Xe was just putting it out there. Not a ‘pop’.

[Targetman]

Xe was just putting it out there. Not a ‘pop’.

Of course it was.

[TsarBomba]

He seems like a really decent guy, rich people housing a few people won't solve the underlying cause of homelessness it has to be a multi agency approach.
Also it needs to be said that some people choose that lifestyle which is their right,some people also just don't know how to live in houses, social housing providers bend over backwards to keep roofs over people's heads but when their house gets constantly trashed and isca centre of drug use and anti social behaviour they have no other choice but to evict.

You’re not far wrong.

[Clovius Boofus]

Yes, bfcjg is right. Some people are the cause of their own misery, while others need all the help they can get.

[Lancasterclaret]

Suspect the its the (like with benefit claimants) is a pretty small minority that are the cause of their own downfall tbf

[Clovius Boofus]

In the long term, what can be done with antisocials who make the lives of those around an abject misery? We have too many sink estates in this country where decent folk suffer 24/7 and want to leave, and when they do, they are replaced by those who make the estate even worse.

It's also going to get worse in the private sector, with councils in poor areas passing planning apps for change of use to multiple occupancy. In these poor areas, many of the multiple occupancies will be full of those already binned off by the social housing sector for serious antisocial behaviour.

[Clovius Boofus]

Suspect the its the (like with benefit claimants) is a pretty small minority that are the cause of their own downfall tbf

I'm talking about antisocials who get evicted, and I think bfcjg is doing the same.

[Woodleyclaret]

Windsor has 3 guys who are on the streets that a good starting point.Fair play to William but why open the first unit in London.?

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm talking about antisocials who get evicted, and I think bfcjg is doing the same.

I'm sure he is!

But the topic is about Prince William helping homelessness surely?

[bfcjg]

The issue with people who feel it is their right to live with no regard for neighbours by playing loud music,trashing property, using a house as a drug den etc etc there is eventually only one solution which is eviction but the housing benefit regime is duch that they will get another house with a cowboy landlord and so it goes on. Radical solutions are needed be they an enforced detention in a secure compound with like minded anti social people so areas such as Burnley wood could improve with houses for rent for decent people and decent people facing homelessness due to finance/relationship issues.

[bfcjg]

Re William, he is doing something, he takes in 3 people,yhey she replaced by 3 more sticking plasters are no good.

[Clovius Boofus]

I'm sure he is!

But the topic is about Prince William helping homelessness surely?

The causes of homelessness are hardly off-topic.

[daveisaclaret]

I think what this thread highlights is that our society is unfortunately filled with utter ***** (censorship my own, imagine whatever word you think fits) who decide that the homeless guy they're imagining in their head actually deserves to be homeless and shouldn't be helped.

You can be as cynical as you want about Prince William's intervention and I'll agree for the most part but bloody hell, some of the posts already in this thread are genuinely revolting.

[Clovius Boofus]

Radical solutions are needed be they an enforced detention in a secure compound with like minded anti social people so areas such as Burnley wood could improve with houses for rent for decent people and decent people facing homelessness due to finance/relationship issues.

I agree. Good post.

[Lancasterclaret]

The causes of homelessness are hardly off-topic.

But again, you want to talk about a clear minority rather than the majority

I have to admit to not having any knowledge to back that up, but I'd be amazed if its not the case

[Lancasterclaret]

The issue with people who feel it is their right to live with no regard for neighbours by playing loud music,trashing property, using a house as a drug den etc etc there is eventually only one solution which is eviction but the housing benefit regime is duch that they will get another house with a cowboy landlord and so it goes on. Radical solutions are needed be they an enforced detention in a secure compound with like minded anti social people so areas such as Burnley wood could improve with houses for rent for decent people and decent people facing homelessness due to finance/relationship issues.

**** me

[ElectroClaret]

[Clovius Boofus]

You can be as cynical as you want about Prince William's intervention and I'll agree for the most part but bloody hell, some of the posts already in this thread are genuinely revolting.

Revolting? All I see is people being concerned about those who have to live their lives with people who make it an absolute living hell. If that's 'revolting', then we really are in a bad place!

And I do know what I'm talking about. My sister and her two children had to live on one particular Burnley estate when she left her violent husband. Try going to work in the morning after being kept up all night by the drunken druggies next door who nick bikes and rev them up, inside the house, all night long. I could go on because this was just the tip of the iceberg. Thank god they got out after a couple of months.

[daveisaclaret]

Revolting? All I see is people being concerned about those who have to live their lives with people who make it an absolute living hell. If that's 'revolting', then we really are in a bad place!

And I do know what I'm talking about. My sister and her two children had to live on one particular Burnley estate when she left her violent husband. Try going to work in the morning after being kept up all night by the drunken druggies next door who nick bikes and rev them up, inside the house, all night long. I could go on because this was just the tip of the iceberg. Thank god they got out after a couple of months.

Someone has posted that "antisocials" should be placed in concentration camps and you've agreed. That is a revolting response to the topic of homelessness. Your sister's experience living next to someone who obviously wasn't homeless (as they lived in the house next door) is not actually too relevant to how revolting that is.

[TsarBomba]

It’s a really complex issue. Links in with everything from housing, employment, poverty, domestic violence, education, you name it.

If someone is homeless, they need to present themselves to the local authority, usually with some form of evidence as to the reasons why. I’ve written many a letter over the years, and made many a referral on someone’s behalf, and generally, I have found the local authorities I have dealt with to be quite good in response. They have done what they can, despite the huge housing shortages.

The vast majority of people I meet on a day to day basis, however, are generally those who have decided that it is a lifestyle choice. I’m sympathetic, because I don’t know their back story, but the drink and drugs have taken hold, and they prefer the transient lifestyle. They also lack the tools to run and maintain a house.

Around 5/6 years ago, during a particular cold winter, 7 local churches opened their doors for 1 night a week each to house the local homeless people. We were very concerned many would perish. There was a huge drive to get the message out and officers were sent out specifically to locate them, and drive them to the churches if necessary.

The vast, vast majority refused. Why? Because there was a stipulation that upon entry they would need to be searched for drink, drugs, and particularly weapons, as the church were quite rightly concerned about violence.

[davideyresleftear]

I don’t really understand your logic to be honest. Different issue and I’m probably opening a giant can of worms but I remember when Gary Lineker put his money where his mouth was and hosted some refugees, only to get a load of flack for it.

[dsr]

Someone has posted that "antisocials" should be placed in concentration camps and you've agreed. That is a revolting response to the topic of homelessness. Your sister's experience living next to someone who obviously wasn't homeless (as they lived in the house next door) is not actually too relevant to how revolting that is.

Are you assuming that all homeless people are antisocial? The post you refer to was more about people who have homes but aren't fit company, so while it may or may not be a revolting solution to antisocial neighbours, it's not really relevant to homelessness.

[daveisaclaret]

Are you assuming that all homeless people are antisocial? The post you refer to was more about people who have homes but aren't fit company, so while it may or may not be a revolting solution to antisocial neighbours, it's not really relevant to homelessness.

No, I'm not assuming something you've just made up. I'm pointing out that people who respond to a topic about homelessness by advocating for concentration camps for antisocial people are doing something wrong.

[dsr]

It's easy to solve the homelessness problem of an individual who isn't addicted to drugs and who wants to work. That's not the issue, I don't think. Solving the homelessness problem for someone who is addicted to drugs and doesn't want to be weaned off them? No idea how that could work. Good luck to those that try.

[dsr]

No, I'm not assuming something you've just made up. I'm pointing out that people who respond to a topic about homelessness by advocating for concentration camps for antisocial people are doing something wrong.

I agree it was off topic.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

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[daveisaclaret]

I agree it was off topic.

I didn't say it was off topic and I don't think it is, so I'm not sure who or what you're agreeing with.

It's completely on topic because it highlights how many people in our society couldn't care less about homelessness and only want to pretend people deserve it.

[Lancasterclaret]

To be fair, they are advocating a solution to the problem, but its all a bit too final solution

[GetIntoEm]

It's not accomodation that's the problem, take Burnley for example. People go on and on about homelessness and empty houses, however the area has more than enough accomodation should people want it. There's more spaces than take up.

At some point people need to help themselves, or focus on the reasons why they won't ask for help.

[bfcjg]

Homelessness could be solved overnight,it's simple,let LC and Dave etc take them in. The hysterical reaction likening secure compounds to concentration camps is hilarious.ive witnessed first hand the devastation caused to houses and subsequently areas by people who are really not fit to be given houses, it is awful. Genuinely homeless people would have more homes and help if social housing budgets were not stretched by constant refurbishment. As mentioned before, there should be numerous radical solutions.

[Lancasterclaret]

Homelessness could be solved overnight,it's simple,let LC and Dave etc take them in. The hysterical reaction likening secure compounds to concentration camps is hilarious.ive witnessed first hand the devastation caused to houses and subsequently areas by people who are really not fit to be given houses, it is awful. Genuinely homeless people would have more homes and help if social housing budgets were not stretched by constant refurbishment. As mentioned before, there should be numerous radical solutions.

Does that include annexation of the Sudetenland?

[AfloatinClaret]

...some people also just don't know how to live in houses, social housing providers bend over backwards to keep roofs over people's heads but when their house gets constantly trashed and isca centre of drug use and anti social behaviour they have no other choice but to evict.

I was in a pub only a couple of weeks ago when a tear-jerking news item popped-up on the NE TV News, interviewing a poor, down-trodden young mother of three or four kids who was apparently living in some B&B doss-house, unable to secure a property to rent, because all the the nasty, money-grubbing private landlords discriminated against people like her. One of the regulars - normally a quiet chap - went absolotuely ape ****!
It turns out that having bought and refurbished an investment property in Darlington, the woman being interviewed had been his first tenant in it. Social Services were initially paying the rent, but they stopped once they decided that she'd been claiming fraudulently - As a subsequent kick in the nadjers, they'd reclaimed the eight months rent that they'd paid out off him rather than her! - When the rent had stopped coming in he moved to evict the woman, which took him close to a year to get her out, during which time she'd systematically stripped the property, removing (and selling-off on Gumtree/Facebook) the bathroom suite, cooker, kitchen units, internal doors, radiators and combi boiler, carpets, curtains, light fittings, etc. Then as a parting 'gift' on the day that she'd finally left, she'd opened the stop-valves that'd been installed while stripping out the plumbing fittings.
It'd cost him thousands in lost rent, legal fees and repairs - apparently the woman's been ordered to repay this, but as any payment will be at at nun-pence a week it's not worth his chasing it. He also discovered that his was the second house that the woman had trashed and that Social Services were aware of the previous one when they'd provided a reference for her to begin with - apparently she'd 'promised' not to do it again. - but they too can't understand why he now refuses to accept any of their proposed tenants.

[Clovius Boofus]

Someone has posted that "antisocials" should be placed in concentration camps and you've agreed. That is a revolting response to the topic of homelessness. Your sister's experience living next to someone who obviously wasn't homeless (as they lived in the house next door) is not actually too relevant to how revolting that is.

What he said was no different to what Frank Field (former Labour MP) had been saying for years. David Blunkett, at one point, was also banging on about something similar, and went as far as saying that antisocial tenants should have their housing benefit stopped. Maybe those two are closet Nazis or something...

[Clovius Boofus]

Does that include annexation of the Sudetenland?

Oh, dear. Now we have another so-called liberal trying to get the debate closed down. You need to have a good look at yourself before bringing the Nazis into this. It's totally uncalled-for and marks you out as one of the most illiberal people who post on here.

[daveisaclaret]

What he said was no different to what Frank Field (former Labour MP) had been saying for years. David Blunkett, at one point, was also banging on about something similar, and went as far as saying that antisocial tenants should have their housing benefit stopped. Maybe those two are closet Nazis or something...

Two deeply unpleasant men. I'd be surprised if there's anyone in the country who thinks saying nasty things is good because Frank Field and David Blunkett used to say them too.

[bfcjg]

There are radical solutions, and there are solutions that are essentially Nazi Germany solutions

Find radical ones, not ones that are Nazi and I'm happy to engage, or I'm just going to take the p**s out of some fascists

You really are an odd ball. A secure compound where like minded anti social people can get high,******,play loud music without ruining people's lives is hardly Belsen.
The bigger issue is freeing up houses that are being infested by the lines of people mentioned earlier.
Have you put your money where your mouth is and taken a homeless person in? Plenty in Lancaster,if not why not ?

[bfcjg]

There are radical solutions, and there are solutions that are essentially Nazi Germany solutions

Find radical ones, not ones that are Nazi and I'm happy to engage, or I'm just going to take the p**s out of some fascists

To quote the late great Dennis Healey, an insult from you is "like being savaged by a dead sheep "

[Lancasterclaret]

Oh, dear. Now we have another so-called liberal trying to get the debate closed down. You need to have a good look at yourself before bringing the Nazis into this. It's totally uncalled-for and marks you out as one of the most illiberal people who post on here.

All I want to hear is radical and/or realistic solutions to what is a real problem and what do we get?

People advocating concentration camps

Well, its certainly radical I suppose