Signings under Kompany

[ClaretTony]

Would have been hard to imagine on the day Vincent Kompany walked in fourteen months ago that he'd make these signings.

26/06/22 - Scott Twine
28/06/22 - Luke McNally
01/07/22 - CJ Egan-Riley
01/07/22 - Taylor Harwood-Bellis (loan)
05/07/22 - Samuel Bastien
12/07/22 - Josh Cullen
15/07/22 - Ian Maatsen (loan)
22/07/22 - Arijanet Muric
28/07/22 - Vitinho
04/08/22 - Manuel Benson
11/08/22 - Nathan Tella (loan)
19/08/22 - Darko Churlinov
26/08/22 - Denis Franchi
30/08/22 - Anass Zaroury
01/09/22 - Halil Dervişoğlu (loan)
01/09/22 - Jordan Beyer (loan)
13/01/23 - Ameen Al-Dakhil
21/01/23 - Hjalmar Ekdal
25/01/23 - Lyle Foster
29/01/23 - Michael Obafemi (loan)
31/01/23 - Enock Agyei
10/05/23 - Jordan Beyer
23/06/23 - Dara O'Shea
27/06/23 - Lawrence Vigouroux
01/07/23 - Michael Obafemi
19/07/23 - Zeki Amdouni
20/07/23 - James Trafford
21/07/23 - Nathan Redmond
25/07/23 - Luca Koleosho
27/07/23 - Jacob Bruun Larsen
09/08/23 - Sander Berge
12/08/23 - Wilson Odobert
22/08/23 - Hannes Delcroix
22/08/23 - Aaron Ramsey

[ksrclaret]

Wow. With potentially one or two more to come, that is an astonishing turnover of players in the last 14 months.

And to think, in at interview I was with him the other day, VK said the scariest part of his job was bringing new players into the building because you never know how they gel. His nerves must be shot.

[ArmchairDetective]

Wow. He's certainly been backed.

Bit of a mixed bag so far but I'm hopeful we'll see a couple of players in this list rise to the top over the next few years.

[randomclaret2]

Would have been hard to imagine on the day Vincent Kompany walked in fourteen months ago that he'd make these signings.

26/06/22 - Scott Twine
28/06/22 - Luke McNally
01/07/22 - CJ Egan-Riley
01/07/22 - Taylor Harwood-Bellis (loan)
05/07/22 - Samuel Bastien
12/07/22 - Josh Cullen
15/07/22 - Ian Maatsen (loan)
22/07/22 - Arijanet Muric
28/07/22 - Vitinho
04/08/22 - Manuel Benson
11/08/22 - Nathan Tella (loan)
19/08/22 - Darko Churlinov
26/08/22 - Denis Franchi
30/08/22 - Anass Zaroury
01/09/22 - Halil Dervişoğlu (loan)
01/09/22 - Jordan Beyer (loan)
13/01/23 - Ameen Al-Dakhil
21/01/23 - Hjalmar Ekdal
25/01/23 - Lyle Foster
29/01/23 - Michael Obafemi (loan)
31/01/23 - Enock Agyei
10/05/23 - Jordan Beyer
23/06/23 - Dara O'Shea
27/06/23 - Lawrence Vigouroux
01/07/23 - Michael Obafemi
19/07/23 - Zeki Amdouni
20/07/23 - James Trafford
21/07/23 - Nathan Redmond
25/07/23 - Luca Koleosho
27/07/23 - Jacob Bruun Larsen
09/08/23 - Sander Berge
12/08/23 - Wilson Odobert
22/08/23 - Hannes Delcroix
22/08/23 - Aaron Ramsey

Absolutely incredible

[ClaretsPadiham]

11 have been successful out of 32 ??

[randomclaret2]

Around 20 of them signed from abroad in just over 12 months...makes you wonder what all the reasons given previously for not signing players from abroad were all about

[randomclaret2]

11 have been successful out of 32 ??

Are you counting this summer's signings as not being succesful ?

[Carwin261]

11 have been successful out of 32 ??

At least 18 of them will be or already are ,ie O’Shea,Redmond,Berge have been,and hopefully will be with us.

[burnley007]

I make it 14 out of 23 have been successful. Can't include anyone from Zeki onwards yet.

Just shows how some fans are more positive than others.

[burnley007]

Really looking forward to seeing Odobert, hopefully on Sunday.

[Burnley1989]

I make it 14 out of 23 have been successful. Can't include anyone from Zeki onwards yet.

Just shows how some fans are more positive than others.

Yup, exactly that. Some look desperately for failure and others looks for positives its the way of the online world

[warksclaret]

The Premier League gives the players fantastic exposure. We have seen some players come to clubs for relatively nominal prices, or come through the academies, then succeed and play well in the PL and their values absolutely balloon. Numerous examples like Caicedo, Mitomo, Johnson of Forest,Gordon of Everton, Palhinha of Fulham, Chilwell and Forfana at Leicester, Ben White at Brighton

Could happen easily with players like Benson, Zarouury, Ramsey,Beyer or Al Dakhill.

[burnley007]

The Premier League gives the players fantastic exposure. We have seen some players come to clubs for relatively nominal prices, or come through the academies, then succeed and play well in the PL and their values absolutely balloon. Numerous examples like Caicedo, Mitomo, Johnson of Forest,Gordon of Everton, Palhinha of Fulham, Chilwell and Forfana at Leicester, Ben White at Brighton

Could happen easily with players like Benson, Zarouury, Ramsey,Beyer or Al Dakhill.

...or Koleosho or Odobert or Zeki or Trafford etc...

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Excellent work by the scouting team and then the transfer team

None of them have been a disaster and of those we signed last summer the success rate has been very good
Those we signed on permanent deals that may not make the grade, we will still get our money back for them which is fine

Interesting to see how this summers signings get on this season

[sjb]

Presumably a typo but Twine was signed in June 2022 rather than February wasn't he?

[ClaretTony]

I make it 14 out of 23 have been successful. Can't include anyone from Zeki onwards yet.

Just shows how some fans are more positive than others.

Can't include any who have signed this summer as yet

[northeastclaret]

What needs to be taken into consideration though, is that last seasons signings weren’t made with the expectation of being in the premier league this season. So VK has to build another complete squad to compete with just the best remaining.A bit of stating the obvious but for example Twine would be still with us if we hadn’t won promotion and we also had to use a lot of loans because money was tight.

[Anthonini]

So far only really satisfied with Amdouni and Berge. Trafford has alot of potential too although I'm hoping for him that he proves he's worth the big investment. Delcroix and O Shea are decent. You guys know Ramsey better than me he might be good.

So far I can't help thinking I'd rather invest big in the players up front. Also big money spent on youth players like Koleosho and Odobert. Guys that have potential but not ready to do something in the PL I feel.

There might still be some budget left to bring in some 2 or 3 real reinforcements. Otherwise I'd be left wondering why we spent it on a GK and youngsters and Redmond and Bruun.

[northeastclaret]

Good point about the principle of one £30m player rather than two at £15m.

But how crazy and wonderful that we are even able to speculate like this.

[CoolClaret]

I just hope our model doesn’t turn us into running at a loss but growing the overall valuation of the club because a few poor seasons would absolutely destroy us.

Really want to get back being cash healthy; whatever way you look at it though you cannot say Kompany hasn’t been backed.

I do think we have some potential superstars in our team and I’m excited to see how they pan out this season!

[IWOODLOVETT]

Registered first team squad = 37 to date, which looks a bit heavy from a financial angle. However a breakdown shows the following:

5 = goalkeepers
5 = out on loan (inc 1 keeper)
3 = long-term injuries
8 = “old guard “ ( high wage earners and likely to be moved on)
20 = under 23

Verdict = a healthy club with an ambitious action plan developing.

[123EasyasBFC]

Registered first team squad = 37 to date, which looks a bit heavy from a financial angle. However a breakdown shows the following:

5 = goalkeepers
5 = out on loan (inc 1 keeper)
3 = long-term injuries
8 = “old guard “ ( high wage earners and likely to be moved on)
20 = under 23

Verdict = a healthy club with an ambitious action plan developing.

Who are the 3 long term injuries? Isn’t it just obafemi and agyei who are injured? Who’s the 3rd

[claretonthecoast1882]

I just hope our model doesn’t turn us into running at a loss but growing the overall valuation of the club because a few poor seasons would absolutely destroy us.

Really want to get back being cash healthy; whatever way you look at it though you cannot say Kompany hasn’t been backed.

I do think we have some potential superstars in our team and I’m excited to see how they pan out this season!

You will have to have this approach in the immediate future there isn't another way of doing it. Had Garlick spent the money in bank on the squad we wouldn't have been cash rich. Brighton are making large profits now but didn't at the start of the process.

It needs an approach and vision looking longer than 12 months down the line.

[IWOODLOVETT]

Who are the 3 long term injuries? Isn’t it just obafemi and agyei who are injured? Who’s the 3rd

CJ Egan-Riley ( no, not Beyer as far as I know - sorry if it raised some alarm bells).

[Spijed]

Brighton are making large profits now but didn't at the start of the process.

But that was only because of Tony Bloom's money, without which they would be nowhere near where they are now. He literally kept them afloat at the start and they'd be a Championship club at best.

[123EasyasBFC]

CJ Egan-Riley ( no, not Beyer as far as I know - sorry if it raised some alarm bells).

Egan-Riley yes forgot he wasn’t on loan anymore, with all the new faces you forget some

[dsr]

Registered first team squad = 37 to date, which looks a bit heavy from a financial angle. However a breakdown shows the following:

5 = goalkeepers
5 = out on loan (inc 1 keeper)
3 = long-term injuries
8 = “old guard “ ( high wage earners and likely to be moved on)
20 = under 23

Verdict = a healthy club with an ambitious action plan developing.

There could be a shedload of loans out in the last week or so of the window.

[Elizabeth]

So far only really satisfied with Amdouni and Berge. Trafford has alot of potential too although I'm hoping for him that he proves he's worth the big investment. Delcroix and O Shea are decent. You guys know Ramsey better than me he might be good.

So far I can't help thinking I'd rather invest big in the players up front. Also big money spent on youth players like Koleosho and Odobert. Guys that have potential but not ready to do something in the PL I feel.

There might still be some budget left to bring in some 2 or 3 real reinforcements. Otherwise I'd be left wondering why we spent it on a GK and youngsters and Redmond and Bruun.

All good thoughts and for me the key is that it will be underpinned by Kompany.
A manager who has impressed everyone ( think it’s safe to say that) in his short time at our club , and is trusted. It would be a big surprise if he falls short over the season

[bfcjg]

Reading some of the posts on here it's obvious Paddy Power took inspiration from a particular breed of Claret.

[CoolClaret]

But that was only because of Tony Bloom's money, without which they would be nowhere near where they are now. He literally kept them afloat at the start and they'd be a Championship club at best.

This.

There’s a balance to be had, it’s not a binary choice between speculating like mad and doing a Garlick, not to mention that the only reason that we stopped spending under Garlick was because he was making the club look as profitable and cash healthy as possible for the sale (not sure how many times I have to say this) - we cannot absorb losses like Brighton can/could do.

Our ambition is great and all but we are still Burnley and that needs to be remembered.

Brighton also are somewhat of an anomaly for constantly bettering the market like they are doing with their ability to generate large revenues from player sales - Bloom and their entire back room/analytics department are particularly special in that regard.

From what we’ve done so far we can only be optimistic but there’s a part of me that remains skeptical.

ALK obviously want to make money which is great but they’re also hardly liable themselves if it goes tits up, but the club is and that’s what worries me.

[jlup1980]

It's difficult to single anyone out as being particularly unsuccessful. Not everyone will have been signed as a first team player. There's clearly been a number of signings made for the future (the likes of Franchi, McNally, Egan-Riley, Agyei etc) and we've had a few who haven't really had the chance to get a good run of games under their belts due to injuries (Churlinov, Obafemi and Twine).

I wouldn't even class someone like Bastien as a poor signing. He started last season as an important part of the squad and faded into the background as others increased their value to the team rather than him being poor. The standard last season was like nothing we've seen in the Championship so there's no shame in that. The most unsuccessful in terms of game time is probably Dervişoğlu, but he was only ever a squad filler on loan in the first place. It's been a hell of a turnaround.

[clarethomer]

the model to me looks like we expect some to become attractive to bigger moves and some are getting ready to step up.

McNally, CJ, Twine are now developing in view of hopefully meaning they can come through when they have got more games under their belts.

[Duffer_]

Vigouroux not Devouroux but I'll forgive you CT - put it down to sleep deprivation

[Big Vinny K]

You will have to have this approach in the immediate future there isn't another way of doing it. Had Garlick spent the money in bank on the squad we wouldn't have been cash rich. Brighton are making large profits now but didn't at the start of the process.

It needs an approach and vision looking longer than 12 months down the line.

Bloom has subsidised Brighton to the tune of half a billion.
It’s not really a case of them making large profits not but didn’t at the start of the “process”.
It was not a deliberate strategy for 5 or 6 years to lose £50m plus a year. During this time they spent a lot of money on players who did nothing for them - they were in a relegation battle with us most of those years (except when we were finishing in the top half and spending far less).
Brighton’s journey has been very much one of getting it wrong for a few years in terms of player recruitment but having the luxury of their losses being covered every year and then in recent times being incredibly successful in player recruitment and also having a basket case club like Chelsea ready to pay way over the odds for their players.
Burnley cannot do their first bit of their journey - hopefully we can replicate the last couple of years though !

[NottsClaret]

I think what we mean by 'successful' has changed too. Watching that documentary, Kompany as much as anyone stressed the importance of playing trading to our model.

McNally is a good example. Barely played for us but he's generated what I imagine will be a couple of decent loan fees, plus say a £5m transfer value next summer. For a £1.5m signing, that would be good business for the club. There's a few more on that list who'll likely go the same way.

[Longsider]

Unreal!!

[claretonthecoast1882]

Bloom has subsidised Brighton to the tune of half a billion.
It’s not really a case of them making large profits not but didn’t at the start of the “process”.
It was not a deliberate strategy for 5 or 6 years to lose £50m plus a year. During this time they spent a lot of money on players who did nothing for them - they were in a relegation battle with us most of those years (except when we were finishing in the top half and spending far less).
Brighton’s journey has been very much one of getting it wrong for a few years in terms of player recruitment but having the luxury of their losses being covered every year and then in recent times being incredibly successful in player recruitment and also having a basket case club like Chelsea ready to pay way over the odds for their players.
Burnley cannot do their first bit of their journey - hopefully we can replicate the last couple of years though !

I agree, my comments are more in tune with you have to spend at the start of the process. It was said from day 1 that last season we were building a squad for the championship and once we got to the Prem we would have to build another squad. You can't build a squad for the championship and then that finance your squad at a higher level. Nobody expected it to be done in less than 12 months.

Also on staying up there isn't another overhaul needed, there seems to be a blinkered view that it is a 1 year process which it never is. It is like when we sign a player half the time one of the first comments will be "what about signing a **insert a different position* instead" like transfers are done in a 1- 11 order.

[Chester Perry]

This.

There’s a balance to be had, it’s not a binary choice between speculating like mad and doing a Garlick, not to mention that the only reason that we stopped spending under Garlick was because he was making the club look as profitable and cash healthy as possible for the sale (not sure how many times I have to say this) -......

A probable reason but far from the only reason - I would add the wages + amortisation to revenue ratio and that little event known as the pandemic (which no one knew how it would pan out at the time) to the discussion

Our ambition is great and all but we are still Burnley and that needs to be remembered.

Brighton also are somewhat of an anomaly for constantly bettering the market like they are doing with their ability to generate large revenues from player sales - Bloom and their entire back room/analytics department are particularly special in that regard.

That Brighton analytics department (for player recruitment) is largely employed on a consultancy basis from an organisation Bloom created, but no longer holds an interest in - Starlizard

Interestingly Burnley appear to have it's own recruitment analytics mainly undertaken on a consultancy basis - this time from Mud Analytics Limited, a company co-owned by Vincent Kompany and Lee Mooney (who featured prominently in 'Mission to Burnley' and made the £140m minimum spend comment) at least one other Mud Analytics employee also works at the club on a seemingly full-time consultancy basis - Marc Boixasa

From what we’ve done so far we can only be optimistic but there’s a part of me that remains skeptical.

ALK obviously want to make money which is great but they’re also hardly liable themselves if it goes tits up, but the club is and that’s what worries me.

It has to be taken with a 'pinch of salt' given the number of contrived scenes, but 'Mission to Burnley' did appear to show ALK/VSL get a little carried away with the Kompany/Mooney messaging, recruitment activity and their own excitement in the deal-making, to the point that they claimed only to know what they committed themselves to once the transfer window had closed and they went through the numbers

There is something of a 'get out clause' in annual reporting though as the year end date is so late allowing sales early next summer to impact the annual accounts

[bf2k]

11 have been successful out of 32 ??

Don't know how you can justify that statement. Forget Beyer down (this summers signing). I'd say there is only two that haven't worked out, Darko Churlinov & Halil Dervişoğlu (loan). The rest have either worked or yet to prove due to age and chances to shine.

[AlargeClaret]

It should certainly ensure that Alan gets the loan payments cleared due to the “exposure value “ of the prem . Hopefully serve us well in the Prem as it did in the champ. This transfer tactic is v much a numbers game but only takes a few gems and some improvement of potential and it can leave a very sound asset base for when Pace and co sell up .

[CoolClaret]

A probable reason but far from the only reason - I would add the wages + amortisation to revenue ratio and that little event known as the pandemic (which no one knew how it would pan out at the time) to the discussion

That Brighton analytics department (for player recruitment) is largely employed on a consultancy basis from an organisation Bloom created, but no longer holds an interest in - Starlizard

Interestingly Burnley appear to have it's own recruitment analytics mainly undertaken on a consultancy basis - this time from Mud Analytics Limited, a company co-owned by Vincent Kompany and Lee Mooney (who featured prominently in 'Mission to Burnley' and made the £140m minimum spend comment) at least one other Mud Analytics employee also works at the club on a seemingly full-time consultancy basis - Marc Boixasa

It has to be taken with a 'pinch of salt' given the number of contrived scenes, but 'Mission to Burnley' did appear to show ALK/VSL get a little carried away with the Kompany/Mooney messaging, recruitment activity and their own excitement in the deal-making, to the point that they claimed only to know what they committed themselves to once the transfer window had closed and they went through the numbers

There is something of a 'get out clause' in annual reporting though as the year end date is so late allowing sales early next summer to impact the annual accounts

Thanks for some extra clarification CP.

Re Garlick, pandemic and transfers, I’m pretty certain reading at the time that the Pandemic really impacted Garlick’s (I think recruitment) company that he initially made his money with which is another reason that sort of pushed the frugality?

Any links for some more information on Mud Analytics?

Cheers

[mdd2]

Lets hope we stay up because if we dont where are the megabuck sales coming from?
Last season we did the improbable-whole sale restructure new team and got promotion
Can we do it a second time-another rebuild and stay up?
I know Forest managed it last season, so many teams haven't in the past.

[Chester Perry]

It should certainly ensure that Alan gets the loan payments cleared due to the “exposure value “ of the prem . Hopefully serve us well in the Prem as it did in the champ. This transfer tactic is v much a numbers game but only takes a few gems and some improvement of potential and it can leave a very sound asset base for when Pace and co sell up .

aggi mentioned at the time the accounts were released, that the single biggest contributor to the featured and commented on close to historic high level of net assets' recorded in the accounts - £104.9m - was the difference between the money ALK/VSL owed the club - £114.8m - and the club owed (at the account date) MSD -£45m - and ALK - £1m.

The model being employed re player trading is well known - our club practically invented it. Getting it working well enough on a regular basis while maintaining/growing the levels of on pitch performance over extended periods is the tricky bit, particularly if there is no benefactor to fund shortfalls.

We all wish the club well, but some are minded of history (even Bob Lord couldn't make it work for ever) and the reliance on services ties to specific/significant employees not the club. It could be argued that if Kompany was to leave then the impact could be in the multiples of the one Coyles departure created. we have to hope that the club is building it's own capabilities in this area.

[clarethomer]

I always think back to the times where we have had other clubs after our players and we have been unable to sell because we don't have the time/depth of squad to navigate the player turnover that needs to take place.

Tarkowski was a good example - we could have had £30+m for him at one point but we knew that the risk of not getting someone with similar quality and having to learn the framework etc would make it difficult to entertain this kind of situation.

When you have depth and youngsters who are learning and getting more game time away from the club. It should help with planning of player disposals at the right time to make sure you keep a health squad.

[ClaretTony]

Vigouroux not Devouroux but I'll forgive you CT - put it down to sleep deprivation

Dear oh dear, incorrect spellings are one thing, a wrong name is quite another. I have now corrected it.

[Darnhill Claret]

Yes, we can and we will.

Can the majority of fans remain positive when results and performances fall below expectations?

[brexit]

Did we ever sign anyone from the Scouting App? Is it still available?

[Chester Perry]

Did we ever sign anyone from the Scouting App? Is it still available?

We make extensive use of it in the Academy- the product suite has expanded and it is used a lot for development assessment

last October Chelsea Academy signed a 5 year deal to use it and last may the MLS (all clubs) signed up to use the full suite

I think we have signed academy players (in the young age groups) based on it, but no under 18's/21's

it was in use on the open days during the Academy tournament at Gawthorpe in the early summer

[RVclaret]

We make extensive use of it in the Academy- the product suite has expanded and it is used a lot for development assessment

last October Chelsea Academy signed a 5 year deal to use it and last may the MLS (all clubs) signed up to use the full suite

I think we have signed academy players (in the young age groups) based on it, but no under 18's/21's

it was in use on the open days during the Academy tournament at Gawthorpe in the early summer

Jez Davies, who featured for us against Benfica last month, is 19 and was identified via ai Scout leading to him signing. He’s in the u21s.

[ClaretTony]

Jez Davies, who featured for us against Benfica last month, is 19 and was identified via ai Scout leading to him signing. He’s in the u21s.

But we'd scouted him playing for Spurs prior to that. I think much of that was to give the app some publicity.