Ukraine v England

[Conroysleftfoot]

1 nil to Ukraine.

[addisclaret]

Well crafted goal, England have faffed around a lot though so far

[Bosscat]

Ooooops Ukraine score on their 1st foray into Englands goal ... in the 25th minute

England had most of the posession

[RVclaret]

England playing like a team that consists of Harry Maguire and Jordan Henderson.

[Taffy on the wing]

Any team with McGuire in it isn't worth watching.........Southgate out!!

[Vincent'sCap]

Dion shut the f**k up....please.

[clansman]

What a toddler Maddison can be

[Bosscat]

Dion shut the f**k up....please.

He should stick to looking at property on HutH

[Vegas Claret]

What a toddler Maddison can be

good player but since Zaha has left he has the title of the biggest cheat in the league, falls over at the hint of a breeze

[Bosscat]

Kyle Walker Anyone had a bet on him to score

[addisclaret]

Kane showing the others how to pick a pass.

[RVclaret]

Wish Kane didn’t drop so deep.

[IPAclaret]

Maddison absolutely spoils himself ... there is a top class player there but there is also a spoilt, petulant cheat.

Bit like at the Turf last week, doesn't need to roll around and whinge at the ref constantly.

Just get on with it man FFS.

[Ampth7]

England playing like a team that consists of Harry Maguire and Jordan Henderson.

In fairness, slab head makes sense owing to our lack of experienced defenders………Horrendouson on the other hand!!!!!

[bfcjg]

Kane is one of the best passers in recent years, he really is world class.

[Nori1958]

Dion shut the f**k up....please.

Very annoying, I think he's just making things up.... Apparently England were bored playing with the ball!!!

[SalisburyClaret]

Gareth said he picks on form - Maguire must have been sensational in the 23 minutes he’s played this season.

That Bellingham chap looks good - they could try giving him the ball

[CoolClaret]

Blows my mind that he’s playing two sitting midfielders against Ukraine.

Complete dosser. Should be footballing them off the park and peppering the keeper

[Middle-agedClaret]

Horrendouson

[Ampth7]

Horrendouson

Did you see what I did there?

[Colburn_Claret]

Kane is one of the best passers in recent years, he really is world class.

Malcolm McDonald was back in the day. Good strikers just understand what a good ball is.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Maddison taken off, didn't look the same player who ripped us apart last week. Just shows how much space we gave him.

[Ampth7]

Think we have been a poor show tonight.

[Vegas Claret]

will Kyle Walker ever slow down ?

[Ampth7]

will Kyle Walker ever slow down ?

He is rapid!!

[clansman]

Pretty turgid stuff

[Ampth7]

That was gash!

[RVclaret]

Properly awful from England that

[daveisaclaret]

Pretty drab match but a fine result.

Mindless speculation but from Southgate's defiance on Henderson in interviews it feels a bit like he played him to make a point today because God knows there was no footballing reason to do it.

[Funkydrummer]

To think that our football was postponed for that pointless cross.

Hope they haven't played too much football yet and can manage the rest of the season.

[dougcollins]

Maddison taken off, didn't look the same player who ripped us apart last week. Just shows how much space we gave him.

Must have been the three occasions when he should have been in on goal had he been able to control the ball. Really poor.

[Funkydrummer]

cross = dross

[roperclaret]

If Southgate can manage England so can I

[CoolClaret]

Criminal keeping Hendo on whilst Jude, who has scored in the last 10 minutes basically 4 games on the trot for Madrid gets taken off for another midfielder.

Southgate went to Poland to not lose. Sickening.

[Tricky Trevor]

After my complaining about Maguire thinking he’s Beckenbauer for so long it looked like he’d finally been told. He never carried the ball once and looked much better for it. He’s a stopper and nothing else, he must stick with that.

[Granny WeatherWax]

Arguably the best front 6 in the world and this is where we’re at Southgate out.

[bfcjg]

International football is all about results, that was tedious.

[Spiral]

Game and team selection today sacrificed in order not to set a precedent, and nothing more, by which I mean the only reason Henderson was picked for the squad, never mind started, was to avoid the possible future problem of a genuinely world class England player of the calibre of Kane or Saka or Bellingham going to Saudi a year from now, two years from now, five years from now (not that I'm saying it'll happen with any of those talented lads in their peak, but while it's theoretically possible one must prepare as though it will), so by this bullshit charade Southgate/the next England manager isn't bound to the precedent set by not picking Henderson because he plays in Saudi.

Problem is if you're saying someone's England chances aren't affected by going there but then you don't call the first one to go, it looks like you're tacitly admitting the league is shite (which it is, obviously, but that' not the point), which makes it harder to justify in the future. If you're trying to communicate the message that playing in Saudi is acceptable, you need to commit to the bit, so he chucked in a borderline over-the-hill player who wasn't even getting games for his former PL club even in a bad season by their standards - a player who buggered off to Saudi to enter semi-retirement. Southgate selected Henderson not because Henderson is a still an elite player or even useful to the team, but because by insisting quite visibly that playing in Saudi won't affect your England chances, by weathering the inevitable media storm and almost drawing attention to this fact by actually STARTING Henderson in spite of common football sense, the door has now been left open for when an elite player at their peak goes to Saudi and England still needs them, and a precedent which might in the future bite an England manager in the bum is avoided. Southgate playing ignorant by saying he doesn't understand the politics and the reaction is the only politically viable way he achieve this aim. He's actually very clever and knows what he's doing. His playing dumb in front of the media is a bullshit affect, It's very Machiavellian. There's no immediate footballing reason for selecting Henderson for this squad, only a broader football-political one.

[CoolClaret]

*Spiral’s content*

Interesting take and observation that Spiral.

I think you could be onto something there. Didn’t initially occur to me mind.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Boring shite.

And I don't just mean the manager.

[IanMcL]

Game and team selection today sacrificed in order not to set a precedent..

Paragraphs would be good!

[daveisaclaret]

Interesting take Spiral - if I can be even more cynical, Southgate has got 9-10 more months in the job and presumably no realistic chance of getting a good job in English club football. Might fancy a slice of the Saudi pie himself.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Maddison taken off, didn't look the same player who ripped us apart last week. Just shows how much space we gave him.

We made Spurs look like title contenders.

[Taffy on the wing]

Just popped on to see how the Southgate apologists are defending him this time….. what a clown

[Sheedyclaret]

Maddison taken off, didn't look the same player who ripped us apart last week. Just shows how much space we gave him.

This ref didn’t fall for his cheating went out the game once he got booked

[bfcjg]

Careful, mentioning Saudi and bum in the same thread, could lead to repercussions
"""Southgate selected Henderson not because Henderson is a still an elite player or even useful to the team, but because by insisting quite visibly that playing in Saudi won't affect your England chances, by weathering the inevitable media storm and almost drawing attention to this fact by actually STARTING Henderson in spite of common football sense, the door has now been left open for when an elite player at their peak goes to Saudi and England still needs them, and a precedent which might in the future bite an England manager in the bum is avoided. Southgate playing ignorant by saying he doesn't understand the politics and the reaction is the only politically viable way he achieve this aim. He's actually very clever and knows what he's doing. His playing dumb in front of the media is a bullshit affect, It's very Machiavellian. There's no immediate footballing reason for selecting Henderson for this squad, only a broader football-political one.""

[Granny WeatherWax]

Game and team selection today sacrificed in order not to set a precedent, and nothing more, by which I mean the only reason Henderson was picked for the squad, never mind started, was to avoid the possible future problem of a genuinely world class England player of the calibre of Kane or Saka or Bellingham going to Saudi a year from now, two years from now, five years from now (not that I'm saying it'll happen with any of those talented lads in their peak, but while it's theoretically possible one must prepare as though it will), so by this bullshit charade Southgate/the next England manager isn't bound to the precedent set by not picking Henderson because he plays in Saudi.

Problem is if you're saying someone's England chances aren't affected by going there but then you don't call the first one to go, it looks like you're tacitly admitting the league is shite (which it is, obviously, but that' not the point), which makes it harder to justify in the future. If you're trying to communicate the message that playing in Saudi is acceptable, you need to commit to the bit, so he chucked in a borderline over-the-hill player who wasn't even getting games for his former PL club even in a bad season by their standards - a player who buggered off to Saudi to enter semi-retirement. Southgate selected Henderson not because Henderson is a still an elite player or even useful to the team, but because by insisting quite visibly that playing in Saudi won't affect your England chances, by weathering the inevitable media storm and almost drawing attention to this fact by actually STARTING Henderson in spite of common football sense, the door has now been left open for when an elite player at their peak goes to Saudi and England still needs them, and a precedent which might in the future bite an England manager in the bum is avoided. Southgate playing ignorant by saying he doesn't understand the politics and the reaction is the only politically viable way he achieve this aim. He's actually very clever and knows what he's doing. His playing dumb in front of the media is a bullshit affect, It's very Machiavellian. There's no immediate footballing reason for selecting Henderson for this squad, only a broader football-political one.

What’s his excuse for starting Maguire then

[Devils_Advocate]

Just popped on to see how the Southgate apologists are defending him this time….. what a clown

And instead you found the anti Southgate nutjobs coming up with wacky conspiracy theory's about Saudi Arabia ....what a set of clowns

[Caballo]

Southgate will never win anything because he's to frightened of losing.

[bfcjg]

I just look at the exciting players available and feel a more inspirational attack minded coach would get us over the winning line in finals.