Cracking point

[Vegas Claret]

Forest are really strong at home, we were the better side for large parts and didn't play particularly well. We got done by a moment of top quality. Plenty to build on, Taylor did well, Foster was excellent until the red so he will be a huge miss (does he miss Luton or will one of the games be Salford?). Onwards and upwards

[Lowbankclaret]

We were robbed, how is it a cracking point

[tarkys_ears]

The cracking point was the 2nd goal overruled
.things need to change in this garbage league

[PhiladelphiaChris]

It was a cracking point. I think it was a handball for the goal and Foster deserved the red as much as it pains me to say it.

[BabylonClaret]

I'd have taken the point before but having led and then the 3 var decisions all dropped for them makes it a but of a bitter taste. You can't disallow ours and let theirs stand. I thought when it went to var for the equiser that it did look to come off his arm but not clear enough to overturn it. Same off ours - looked I'm the hollow if the shoulder Nd he is clearly trying to get a shoulder on the ball not an arm. Not enough to overturn it

[Carlos the Great]

We played very well ./ Well done C Taylor on his birthday hope he plays every week .. not a great point though as we should have won

[Woodleyclaret]

Handball ? Off his chest and shirt sleeve?
Play acting by Forest defender who actually had Lyle in a headlock

[Quicknick]

Handball ? Off his chest and shirt sleeve?
Play acting by Forest defender who actually had Lyle in a headlock

Should have been a penalty and the 'handball' goal should have been given. 2-0 win.

[Vegas Claret]

Handball ? Off his chest and shirt sleeve?
Play acting by Forest defender who actually had Lyle in a headlock

ffs - have you not seen the replay from the halfway line ? it's a nailed on red. Gutted for Foster though

[Quicknick]

Should have been a penalty and the 'handball' goal should have been given. 2-0 win.

Edit: I meant 3-1, not 2-0.

[jedi_master]

I am gutted with the point as we had legitimately earned the win.

That contentiousness aside, we were so much better tonight both in and out of possession and seemed more comfortable and solid. Cullen excellent and that’s as much down to Brownhill playing as himself. Taylor also superb tonight, really great to see ‘the old guard’ return and stiffen us up - two players continuously written off on here I hasten to add. They both have those shirts now. Berge superb when he came on also.

Negatives aside from the VAR debacle we’re at the back early doors. Sloppy passing, nervous on the ball and some strange decision making. I love Beyer’s runs but he needs to be more aware when embarking on them of the risk at that moment - almost presented a couple of chances to them early doors. Trafford not strong on set pieces either but Forest are a very physically imposing side. I thought he was better on the ball tonight than he has been.

Short version - gutted we didn’t win, and gutted that Foster’s petulance means we will miss him (and boy, will we) for three games. Delighted with the performance though.

[Neil]

Think most would have taken a point before kick off.
Midfield was a lot better and front 3 looked dangerous.
Zaroury looked off it, particularly when he started on the right but it will take him time to adjust to the league.
Al Dakhil makes me nervous with the ball at his feet and just doesn't look comfortable to me.
Berge very good when he came on and definitely Cullens best game so far.
Really expected Benson to be our "secret" weapon but he's been used very sparingly, maybe not up to fitness yet?

[Tinribs]

Any point away from home in the Prem is a good point regardless of wether we deserved all 3

[warksclaret]

We need to forget VAR-this will not be the only game it goes against us. We have no control over it. Main thing is we keep it tight and play well like tonight

[Wile E Coyote]

We need to forget VAR-this will not be the only game it goes against us. We have no control over it. Main thing is we keep it tight and play well like tonight

youre right, but I guarantee Arsenal wont be ruined by VAR over the course of this season.
there is a bias against certain teams, and for others. It does not even itself out.

[ALP]

It is a good point but should have been three points.

Sadly football has got lost with the money and thirty different camera angles, always said it would and it has become a farce at the top level. The game is swilling in money, and where money is concerned there is no margin for error.

Sad to say, but I'm now turned off to the elite game completely. they've spoiled my life long love of the game.

[bfcmik]

youre right, but I guarantee Arsenal wont be ruined by VAR over the course of this season.
there is a bias against certain teams, and for others. It does not even itself out.

More like there is bias FOR certain teams, then there are crap refs and an even worse VAR system

[AfloatinClaret]

...there is a bias against certain teams, and for others. It does not even itself out.

Over and above supporters viewing incidents through claret (in our case) tinted spectacles, I do think there is a strong case to suggest that decisions in football generally and the EPL most particularly get 'interpreted' in favour of some teams over others. But to my mind, there's no point in whining about it as that isn't going to change, as while there are a variety of reasons for that... favouritism,the single biggest factor is money:
If the bigger/better supported (by which I mean attracting worldwide TV audiences) clubs prevail that brings much more money into the industry; even the less favoured clubs are getting a share of that increased income, so while they might occassionally bitch, even they aren't going to rock the boat too hard.

[Casper2]

How long did it take to get a point away from home under Coyle ?

[Conroy92]

Two big bones of contention for me. The goal allowed for them and dissallowed for us for more or less the same thing, the ball grazing the arm. And not the red card, but the fact that Foster was held an infringed in the penalty area prior to lashing out. I really dont understand how you can replay the incident and send Foster off without also awarding us a penalty.
Madness decision's again.

[Carwin261]

One thing that the commentators picked up on last night that worried me was the defence leaving Trafford surrounded by Forest players and not protecting him,unfortunately I don’t think that VK will change his mind but I do feel that Muric (especially towards the end of last season)is more dominating in the box and his distribution is much better,could it be the price tag that’s keeping him in the side?

[123EasyasBFC]

One thing that the commentators picked up on last night that worried me was the defence leaving Trafford surrounded by Forest players and not protecting him,unfortunately I don’t think that VK will change his mind but I do feel that Muric (especially towards the end of last season)is more dominating in the box and his distribution is much better,could it be the price tag that’s keeping him in the side?

Forest seemed to have 4 players around Trafford and another 4 on the edge of the box

[nil_desperandum]

Short version - gutted we didn’t win, and gutted that Foster’s petulance means we will miss him (and boy, will we) for three games. Delighted with the performance though.

I really don't think that Foster would have been selected to play at Salford anyway, so effectively it's just two games, and he'll be raring to go against Luton. He will be missed though as you say.

[COBBLE]

OK its a blow losing Foster. However with so many tricky forwards, false 9s and 10s I expect to see us run rings around the MUFC defence.Can't wait. Just disappointed Maguire might not be fit

[JarrowClaret]

Two big bones of contention for me. The goal allowed for them and dissallowed for us for more or less the same thing, the ball grazing the arm. And not the red card, but the fact that Foster was held an infringed in the penalty area prior to lashing out. I really dont understand how you can replay the incident and send Foster off without also awarding us a penalty.
Madness decision's again.

There goal was perfectly fine I had thought it was handball as well based on the stills but once I had seen the video from head on you can see it hits his chest and I don’t think it touches his arm at all but possibly it may just brush his shoulder.

[Juan Tanamera]

There goal was perfectly fine I had thought it was handball as well based on the stills but once I had seen the video from head on you can see it hits his chest and I don’t think it touches his arm at all but possibly it may just brush his shoulder.

Exactly the same as Sander Berge and that's what rankles with some of us.

[JarrowClaret]

Exactly the same as Sander Berge and that's what rankles with some of us.

No it isn’t the same at all, by the way the Berge decision annoys me as well and I agree the goal should stand as it isn’t deliberate handball or a clear and obvious mistake, but it does hit the upper part of his arm.

[KateR]

I thought we were poor first 25/30 minutes and the it all seemed to change, we were sloppy and I was expecting a goal from them at any minute why it just turned I've. No idea, we were keeping the ball better, passes for the most part were going where they were meant to go, started looking really threating and the goal was no surprise. Second half they were having good spells and we were looking nervous but then we looked threatening, much more end to end stuff.

I thought Taylor was excellent and hopefully he is now the starter in that position, at least until January, Khloe & gang upfront look very good and to me have plenty of goals in them, just need more training & games together and they'll be a threat to almost any team. Thankful we're off and running points wise, I feel we'll progress much faster than many other teams and looking forward to moving up beyond 18th.

[Juan Tanamera]

No it isn’t the same at all, by the way the Berge decision annoys me as well and I agree the goal should stand as it isn’t deliberate handball or a clear and obvious mistake, but it does hit the upper part of his arm.

We could go on all day disagreeing, so let's beg to differ and leave it at that.

[JarrowClaret]

We could go on all day disagreeing, so let's beg to differ and leave it at that.

Ha ha I am fine with disagreeing as long as it can be discussed respectfully.

For me the ball clearly touches Berges upper arm and the his arm moves away slightly as that happens. The fact we are even having this discussion though tells us either 1 of us needs to wear glasses when watching it or that the video is inconclusive so not enough evidence to overturn the decision in the first place.

As I said the goal should have stood we can all have opinions but not 1 person on here at at PGMOL can categorically say he DELIBERATELY controlled it with his arm. Clearly in your case you couldn’t say it because you don’t think it hit his arm at all and in mine because I don’t think it was deliberate.