Brentford v Burnley match thread.

Florian · Post by **Florian** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:52 pm

And luton score 2 to get a point away

Petersa · Post by **Petersa** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

This is farcical.....plan A isnt workjng go back to basics ...win the ball in the middle of the park before you decide to play million buck football.. play seasoned players who know what to do...the talent is there just use it

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

How does Muric get a game?

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

We are getting worse each game, not better.

The trajectory is downwards I'm afraid

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:49 pm
I did see that.

It’s either creative accounting or some investment yes - that no doubt wants a return on, so again, not cash that the club has generated.

Somehow neither the endless history of ponzi schemes, nor the 2008 recession, has taught some people that endless financial speculation with other people's money that you need to then deliver profit on to keep going, is a bad idea.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

Anyone know if the drummer will be in place in time for the next home game? That will help massively.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:51 pm
The whole feeling around the team will have completely changed if we carry on like this for the rest of the season.

No way we walk the Championship again.

Norwich did it twice under Farke in similar circumstances.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

Men against boys again. Looking very grim. VK doesn’t know his best side. Oh well.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:48 pm
You don't understand how football works.

Did we lose McNeil for dirt cheap? Cornet? Collins? You know, the players who have potential.

You tell me who'd we sell on for profit?

Trafford - who would pay above £15 million?
Tresor - £20 million?
Amdouni - £15 million?
Berge - £15 million?
O'Shea - £8 million?

The list could go on I'm all ears mr.football but this potential is getting battered by 3+ a week.
I've not seen anything yet to suggest there good enough and your lying if you say you have. Were a very poor squad

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

clive40golf wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:49 pm
Why should the alarm bells be ringing? We’re not even a quarter of the season in yet!
Brentford are a very good team,even without their main striker, like us they’ve had some worldies scored against them, that have changed their games, ran Man Utd very close last time out.
Our problem is that we haven’t got a settled,established Team yet.
Give them a bit of time and a chance.

Even without their main striker?
They've almost half their first team out ya weapon.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

9 games. 23 conceded. We have one of the best defenders to grace the game., In charge. How can it be this bad.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

Luton back from 2 nil down.

At least they have a bit of fight.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

Do we have to lose 10-0 before big Aro is given a game?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:48 pm
The more the season goes on the more convinced I am that this season is a cat walk to show off our players on the big stage so we can sell them all for huge profit, regardless of the outcome of the season.

I don’t truly believe there’s any real intention of staying up this year.

Nonsense. We stay up at and the values of the players are much much higher together with the rewards financially of staying in the PL.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm

Why did we stop passing to Koleosho after the first 5 mins of the 2nd half?

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:54 pm

If there's any positive today then the fact it's so bad, embarrassing and obviously not working, and one of our apparently winnable games, may be enough to cause the board to tell Vinny he has to end the experiment now and focus on getting points - or else he's out the door.

Please!

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:54 pm

Florian wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:48 pm
Disgraceful this though

Frustrating. Infuriating. We all knew where our weaknesses were for recruitment. It doesn't mean the right players were there for us.

I think we are naive and weak throughout the spine. I've said it all summer.

I'm still seeing the plan. I'm still on board with it.

I don't care if we get relegated as long as we show progress. Today is awful but I've seen a side to Trafford that I didn't think I would. That's something.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:54 pm

Florian wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:50 pm
This is fan refund worthy

I'm inclined to fully agree. Won't happen. It's their fault for not taking a drum.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:54 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:48 pm
The more the season goes on the more convinced I am that this season is a cat walk to show off our players on the big stage so we can sell them all for huge profit, regardless of the outcome of the season.

I don’t truly believe there’s any real intention of staying up this year.

Selections certainly seem to agree with this although I don't think we gave up on staying in the division

The problem is the players themselves are not as good as the fees we have paid for them - especially the higher priced ones

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:54 pm

Kompany's stubbornness will get us relegated
Brentford have given him a lesson, shoot on site don't try to walk it in, attack with pace don't pass for the sake of passing giving the opposition the chance to regroup, play form players, get your keeper to only pass to players who are mot marked.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:55 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm
Norwich did it twice under Farke in similar circumstances.

True. I just feel the whole ground will lose patience very, very quickly though. It was bad enough at the start of the last Championship season until we clicked.

Did help that Norwich's 2nd season was in Covid times.

Florian · Post by **Florian** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:55 pm

Forest bag

But dissed

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:55 pm

This is a terrible performance but my god we have some serious bed wetters on here.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 pm

Trafford not at fault today, but he needs taking out of the firing line for the next game.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 pm

Super fans will not be happy tonight for sure

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm
Nonsense. We stay up at and the values of the players are much much higher together with the rewards financially of staying in the PL.

Oh yes? Have you seen what Southampton sold their players for? Coventry?

BigGaz · Post by **BigGaz** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 pm

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:50 pm
Trafford ain’t the problem

He’s part of a defence that is averaging 3 goals conceded per game. I am very much in camp Muric and whilst I believe some of the criticism levelled at Trafford is a bit much, he is very much at least part of the problem.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 pm
Trafford not at fault today, but he needs taking out of the firing line for the next game.

Only way he doesn’t play is if he’s in a firing squad, obviously got pictures Vinny doesn’t want anyone to see!

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:57 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 pm
Trafford not at fault today, but he needs taking out of the firing line for the next game.

No man's lands for the first goal

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:57 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 pm
Oh yes? Have you seen what Southampton sold their players for? Coventry?

Yes. And doesn't change what I said one bit.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:57 pm

A much better performance than the one against City
And better than all of our other games
We are on the up

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:57 pm

Foster is the only player with any sort of credibility and the only player who deserves to start against Bournemouth

Sgt. Pepper · Post by **Sgt. Pepper** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:57 pm

Three seems to be our average unfortunately.
The red (and yellow) cards are a particular worry. It's indicative of a lack of discipline, and shows just how much the team is being stretched for the vast majority of games.
Some of the players look (understandably) shell shocked, and confidence is obviously low. One of the things that Dyche was able to do consistently was to turn the players round after a bad defeat.
Lack of consistent selection, and the ruthless change of.personnel over the summer make it more difficult to build morale.
We will see over the next few weeks/months what Kompany's man management skills are like.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:57 pm

Every relegation we have suffered has been due to a weak midfield. Without sorting that as priority and a few positions after that, the outcome will be another relegation.

Spending north of £100 million and not addressing key areas is either naive or plain stupid.

What concerns me most is that the next priority appeared to be a left back - a position that I don’t dispute that we needed but paying a massively over the top fee for Maatsen wouldn’t have solved our problems.

I just can’t understand why someone with years of experience from playing in this division has opted for very little experience and ignored key areas in favour of a raft of wingers.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:57 pm

Get fat Sam in we are lost

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:58 pm

Foerst just conceded an equaliser to Luton.

Is it now 3 out of 5? 3 promoted + Bournemouth & Forest?

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:58 pm

spt_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm
Somehow neither the endless history of ponzi schemes, nor the 2008 recession, has taught some people that endless financial speculation with other people's money that you need to then deliver profit on to keep going, is a bad idea.

It’s one thing when you’re Man United and a ******* global brand that pulls in insane revenue even without the PL money.

Different when you’re Burnley.

Utterly irresponsible and I hate how our club is being used to generate cash for a few that didn’t even put their own money into it to own it.

xxmunkyennuixx · Post by **xxmunkyennuixx** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:58 pm

This performance has been embarrassing.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:59 pm

Four points from Nine games shows we can't cut it at this level with this team.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:59 pm

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm
Men against boys again. Looking very grim. VK doesn’t know his best side. Oh well.

Don’t think he knows his arse from his elbow.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:59 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm
How does Muric get a game?

He doesn’t, people will understand if it comes out.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:59 pm

Ironically, assuming Blades and Luton will be down, which I do, if we win next Saturday we will be 4 points clear of our rival for 18th (AFCB) with them still to come to the Turf.

And I see us achieving it. We are struggling, but so are they.

claretgimmer · Post by **claretgimmer** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:59 pm

So if Bournemouth get three past us next week will it be official then that we really are just s poor poor side with a manager who sadly looks so far out his depth at this level at this stage of his career

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm

We are the worst team in PL without a doubt. VK looks bemused and demoralized as do the team and the fans. Sadly for him it’s all on his shoulders. I am struggling to find 1 player who I can give more than 4 in the player ratings

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:45 pm
I said some time ago that we will finish bottom, and nothing I’ve seen since has changed my mind

That's a harsh assessment but we said something similar coming off Chelsea. E coudm go euther way here. Either we start to gel better and do well against the sides with less individual brilliance I which case we start to click, or we continue to struggle and if so we finish bottom because we don't have the personnel to grind out results- Sheffield and Luton will both nick points here and there by digging in. We won't.

Today has been awful and also makes hoping for the former (we pick up) looking less likely than finishing bottom. Plus the red card means we miss Roberts for the game against Bournemouth so our already weak defence looks even weaker.

There's still a way to go yet but we really do need to stop persisting with the new expensive weak links until we start to get some momentum. Sadly I don't know who else we might play there - Cork is not the answer - he wasn't good enough last time we were here, neither is Jay and whilst both might do a job to come on and steady the ship later in the game we can't rely on them to start and run games.

It looks a bit grim really but we do have some players capable of hurting sides - we have to hope they start to deliver the end product we need.

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm

I'm losing faith.
I really am.
Sadly

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm

Change the manager please this is stupidity now

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm

bumba wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:57 pm
No man's lands for the first goal

May well have been, but he’s also made some big saves to keep the score to just the 3.

Yes he’s young and I’ve no doubt he will be a good keeper at this level, but VK isn’t helping him

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm

Ekdal and beyer as a pair is desperately needed. We do not have the personnel to play 4231, if Roy Keane in his prime was sat alongside Cullen then maybe. Otherwise, Amdouni or Foster needs to miss out for Brownhill, Cork or Massengo. Larsen has to be given a start.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm

Don't worry, we'll have some easier fixtures soon.