Kompany: time to go

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:47 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:45 pm
Ekdal didn’t even get selected when fit.

There’s no way in hell he starts when back fit. Beyer has played in 6 of the games this season and it’s made no difference at all. We have actually conceded more goals per game with him in the team

Depressingly I think you're right about Ekdal but it's mind boggling. He's just a class player, if he had the pace of Dakhil he wouldn't be with us.
Beyer hasn't looked as good this year but I honestly think it's in part his partner- O'Shea looks Championship mid table and Al Dakhil is painfully obviously a youngster in at the deep end, which puts Beyer in the role of CB marshall, which isn't his strong suit- again, he was better with Ekdal beside him last year.

Bowclaret · Post by **Bowclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:47 pm

Kompany helped us last season and NOW it’s our turn - the “fans” to help him - he asked us to make the Turf Hell ! It’s more like a kids crèche.

Let the bed wetters go and wet the bed and the true fans shout our team to safety.

The gaffer will turn this around for sure. We should not even question him - too many bell ends on here !

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:47 pm

clansman wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:47 pm
The manager is naive but so are the board for giving him carte Blanche with the summer window.Owen Coyles team would destroy this team!!

Would they fcuk!

clansman · Post by **clansman** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:48 pm

Rasily

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:48 pm

Good to see people aren't overreacting.

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:49 pm

Terrier wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:12 pm
We need to keep with Kompany and his plan,.
The prem is getting harder every season and we are not getting a billionaire anytime soon , we may drop this season but will be stronger in the long run.
P.s. I have just read clive holts book and what dyche had to put up with makes him even better in my eyes but even he got plenty of stick on here!!

What did Holt have to say about Dyche etc.? Not read it or even heard anything about it.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:49 pm

clansman wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:47 pm
The manager is naive but so are the board for giving him carte Blanche with the summer window.Owen Coyles team would destroy this team!!

Comedy Gold

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:50 pm

Bowclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:47 pm
Kompany helped us last season and NOW it’s our turn - the “fans” to help him - he asked us to make the Turf Hell ! It’s more like a kids crèche.

Let the bed wetters go and wet the bed and the true fans shout our team to safety.

The gaffer will turn this around for sure. We should not even question him - too many bell ends on here !

Again another that should be banned.

Go get your Pom poms and cheer us on next week. I’m sure it will affect the result

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:51 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:45 pm
Ekdal didn’t even get selected when fit.

There’s no way in hell he starts when back fit. Beyer has played in 6 of the games this season and it’s made no difference at all. We have actually conceded more goals per game with him in the team

You really are a wind up merchant aren’t you. Last year it was we will be in league 1 etc and you can’t just wait to lay the boot in when things are bad. Why do you even support(and I use that word loosely) Burnley? May be you would be better trying another team to make you mor positive and give us all a break from the bo1ocks we have to put up with from you ?

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:51 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:36 pm
I should imagine they will ban him. I got banned a few weeks ago for calling somebody a “stupid fool”. The abuse you received further up the thread was a disgrace and I hope they ban him for a very long time.

I’m not always in favour of bans, I think sometimes people should be informed of the reason for a potential ban, and be given an opportunity to make good on their mistake. As in l walks of life, emotions can sometimes run high on both sides, and that’s true here with the user/mod relationships.

This board has shown some incredible support to members struggling with mental health, issues and so on, and we all should be proud of that. So a ban, might remove that support, or constant in their lives and therefore have a potentially negative affect on their wellbeing. We should be doing all we can to ‘connect’ with others and support where we can.

Plus a; sorry, I was a plank and will do better is always the best way to resolve conflict!

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:51 pm

Bowclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:47 pm
Kompany helped us last season and NOW it’s our turn - the “fans” to help him - he asked us to make the Turf Hell ! It’s more like a kids crèche.

Let the bed wetters go and wet the bed and the true fans shout our team to safety.

The gaffer will turn this around for sure. We should not even question him - too many bell ends on here !

Why the eff didn't you shout us to safety the last few times!?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:52 pm

ClaretAL wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:51 pm
You really are a wind up merchant aren’t you. Last year it was we will be in league 1 etc and you can’t just wait to lay the boot in when things are bad. Why do you even support(and I use that word loosely) Burnley? May be you would be better trying another team to make you mor positive and give us all a break from the bo1ocks we have to put up with from you ?

I was very positive before this game. I said on numerous posts I thought we would beat them.

They just dismantled us, what is there to be positive about

Bowclaret · Post by **Bowclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:52 pm

Newcastle - you really are a complete Bell End !

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:53 pm

Bowclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:52 pm
Newcastle - you really are a complete Bell End !

Any need?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:53 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:45 pm
Ekdal didn’t even get selected when fit.

There’s no way in hell he starts when back fit. Beyer has played in 6 of the games this season and it’s made no difference at all. We have actually conceded more goals per game with him in the team

Ekdal was injured/not fit enough to start in the Prem. Got injured on his first start.

Defence looks a lot better with Beyer. Plus Beyer has at least some ability on the ball to beat the press.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:53 pm

It’s an absolute **** show at the minute, but our young, inexperienced manager deserves patience and time.

It’s a fair certainty that we’re going down so let him correct his mistakes and hopefully have another stab at it.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:54 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:53 pm
Ekdal was injured/not fit enough to start in the Prem. Got injured on his first start.

Defence looks a lot better with Beyer. Plus Beyer has at least some ability on the ball to beat the press.

Back end of last season when came back from injury he was and he didn’t start.

I agree it does look better but statistically we have conceded more with him in the team.

IWOODLOVETT · Post by **IWOODLOVETT** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:55 pm

The gulf between Premier League and Championship has never been so obvious.

As it stands:
Bottom 3 of Prem. League = Sheffield United, Luton & BFC (3 promoted clubs).
Top 4 of Championship include = Leicester, Leeds & Southampton (3 relegated clubs).

Our runaway triumph last season appears to have given a false sense of security for this season, but in reality that success depended largely on loanees and swan songs from good, ageing pro footballers.

That miscalculation seems to have influenced the summer spending and derailed VK’s three year project. We need to regroup and turn the season around, starting with a confidence boosting “free hit” in the cup against Premier League rivals.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:55 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:39 pm
There were only 8 teams in the league conceded less.

Exactly my point we are to easy to beat, see on as second went in yeah was only 2-1 but you felt that’s game over, i even felt game over at 1-1

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:55 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:10 pm
Would be as ridiculous a decision as sacking Dyche was. I disagreed with that (still do as I think he’d have kept us up and given money would have moved the squad on) but you could argue it turned out for the better as it gave us that fantastic season last year. We deserve everything we get if we get rid of Kompany after ploughing £100m into his project on all of these youngsters.

Yes, 99% likely were going down - so look forward to the fun of seeing a team with an average age of about 23 dominate that league and come back better prepared. This season will not be fun though, not one bit. I think he will sadly get sacked though as Pace has shown himself to be someone with limited patience, no reason to doubt that will change after investing £100m this summer.

Love to know who there is that people think changes the fortunes around here.

If you think Dyche would have kept us up you’re living in dreamland.

Middle-agedClaret · Post by **Middle-agedClaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:56 pm

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:04 pm
Billie Wilder is free.

Well - we could do with An Ace in the Hole. We certainly don’t need another Lost Weekend though.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:56 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:55 pm
The gulf between Premier League and Championship has never been so obvious.

As it stands:
Bottom 3 of Prem. League = Sheffield United, Luton & BFC (3 promoted clubs).
Top 4 of Championship include = Leicester, Leeds & Southampton (3 relegated clubs).

Our runaway triumph last season appears to have given a false sense of security for this season, but in reality that success depended largely on loanees and swan songs from good, ageing pro footballers.

That miscalculation seems to have influenced the summer spending and derailed VK’s three year project. We need to regroup and turn the season around, starting with a confidence boosting “free hit” in the cup against Premier League rivals.

Some really good points there to be fair.

The gap is huge in my opinion

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:56 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:54 pm
Back end of last season when came back from injury he was and he didn’t start.

I agree it does look better but statistically we have conceded more with him in the team.

I don’t think he ever came back from injury did he?

Remember he even missed Rovers away.

In the end AAD and THB were starting (CT at Blackburn).

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:57 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:55 pm
The gulf between Premier League and Championship has never been so obvious.

As it stands:
Bottom 3 of Prem. League = Sheffield United, Luton & BFC (3 promoted clubs).
Top 4 of Championship include = Leicester, Leeds & Southampton (3 relegated clubs).

Our runaway triumph last season appears to have given a false sense of security for this season, but in reality that success depended largely on loanees and swan songs from good, ageing pro footballers.

That miscalculation seems to have influenced the summer spending and derailed VK’s three year project. We need to regroup and turn the season around, starting with a confidence boosting “free hit” in the cup against Premier League rivals.

Agree with all of that.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:57 pm

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:55 pm
If you think Dyche would have kept us up you’re living in dreamland.

Let’s not derail the thread by going back to that debate, people can agree or disagree but this is about the next man. The only reference to Dyche is that it shows Pace will fire him if he doesn’t turn it around - whether we want it or not.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:57 pm

I just don't think people realise the extent to which our squad is built in the image of what Kompany wants to do.

If that doesn't work out (and it might, we don't know) then another manager isn't going to be able to come in and start playing a type of football we don't have the players for.

getbennyon · Post by **getbennyon** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:58 pm

IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:55 pm
The gulf between Premier League and Championship has never been so obvious.

As it stands:
Bottom 3 of Prem. League = Sheffield United, Luton & BFC (3 promoted clubs).
Top 4 of Championship include = Leicester, Leeds & Southampton (3 relegated clubs).

Our runaway triumph last season appears to have given a false sense of security for this season, but in reality that success depended largely on loanees and swan songs from good, ageing pro footballers.

That miscalculation seems to have influenced the summer spending and derailed VK’s three year project. We need to regroup and turn the season around, starting with a confidence boosting “free hit” in the cup against Premier League rivals.

Not another 'free hit'....at some point we will have to play a meaningful game of football.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:58 pm

We’re clearly on a very steep learning curve. The gamble of bringing in young talent from the lesser leagues/teams in Europe appears haphazard and disjointed at best ,Especially having to blood them in such an elite high pressure league .

Last seasons champ walk in the park with better players compared to this seasons injury strewn mish mash of naïve incompetence is a chastening one indeed . It needs cool heads, patience and loyalty to VK rather than hysterical overreaction.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:58 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:56 pm
I don’t think he ever came back from injury did he?

Remember he even missed Rovers away.

In the end AAD and THB were starting (CT at Blackburn).

Pretty certain he was on the bench towards the end

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:59 pm

I don't think teams will cope with us who don't aggressively press us, whether bottom half teams will do that at the Turf remains to be seen. It's way too early for tripe like sack him, we have January to solve personnel gaps, he could add a new coach as others suggest, and we have been debatable VAR decisions away from having 7 points from 9 from the 3 games against lower half sides, all away.

But yes we have a lot of problems to solve, obviously, and it was a hard watch today. I agree with Robbie Earle though who said in commentary he was gutted for Burnley not getting that decision which he felt wasn't right.

oswyclaret · Post by **oswyclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:00 pm

How can we get rid of the next Man City manager!!!

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:01 pm

Bit ridiculous thinking of getting rid of Kompany.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:02 pm

The most concerning aspect of the season is that it seems, to me at least, that the players have lost faith in VK and his methods after the summer disaster and the callous discarding of players who busted an absolute gut for us last season.

The players this season just don’t look like they’re giving their all. I know some may disagree with that, but I’ve not seen the same desire and application as I did last season.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:02 pm

Shut the thread down. It's laughably poor. It is everything wrong with football.

Our progress was too fast. We haven't had time to put everything in place. We are still building. VK is worth keeping for the season. Even if we get relegated, he'll be in place ready for the campaign to return.

End of story. Anyone who suggests otherwise probably doesn't understand how football works.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:03 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:02 pm
The most concerning aspect of the season is that it seems, to me at least, that the players have lost faith in VK and his methods after the summer disaster and the callous discarding of players who busted an absolute gut for us last season.

The players this season just don’t look like they’re giving their all. I know some may disagree with that, but I’ve not seen the same desire and application as I did last season.

It's called confidence.

When you get in a rut, you lose it.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:03 pm

Mistakes have been made but there are issues.
Trafford looks good in small patches Muric needs a recall.Not signing Tella and THB a big mistake
Injuries to key defenders and not able to play Benny our match winner on several times hasn't help

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:03 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:02 pm
Shut the thread down. It's laughably poor. It is everything wrong with football.

Our progress was too fast. We haven't had time to put everything in place. We are still building. VK is worth keeping for the season. Even if we get relegated, he'll be in place ready for the campaign to return.

End of story. Anyone who suggests otherwise probably doesn't understand how football works.

Do you always want things removing and closing down if you disagree with them?

Kgun5 · Post by **Kgun5** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:04 pm

Nothing would be accomplished by jettisoning Kompany now. We are where we are and we have who we have.

That said, he has to change something. Adapting tactics based on your roster’s strengths/weaknesses is what managers are supposed to do. Stubbornness does not equate to commitment. Every plan needs tweaking.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:04 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:02 pm
Shut the thread down. It's laughably poor. It is everything wrong with football.

Our progress was too fast. We haven't had time to put everything in place. We are still building. VK is worth keeping for the season. Even if we get relegated, he'll be in place ready for the campaign to return.

End of story. Anyone who suggests otherwise probably doesn't understand how football works.

You genuinely believe being loyal to manager is more important than the future of the club?

I think it’s you that doesn’t understand how business works. Burnley need premier league status simple as that.

The club will do whatever it takes to maintain it. Your naive to think otherwise

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:05 pm

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:58 pm
We’re clearly on a very steep learning curve. The gamble of bringing in young talent from the lesser leagues/teams in Europe appears haphazard and disjointed at best ,Especially having to blood them in such an elite high pressure league .

this is exactly what Southampton did last season and it was a disaster. How the club didn't clock that is staggering, but Kompany out ? No chance

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:05 pm

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:57 pm
I just don't think people realise the extent to which our squad is built in the image of what Kompany wants to do.

If that doesn't work out (and it might, we don't know) then another manager isn't going to be able to come in and start playing a type of football we don't have the players for.

That sounds like valid sound logical reasoning for not sacking the guy, it's his mess & nobody else could come in & sort that mess out because it's a mess of his own making, players aren't robustly unique to said methods & another manager could be more than capable of adapting them & moulding them to a different more effective playing style, it's a barmy argument.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:07 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:05 pm
this is exactly what Southampton did last season and it was a disaster. How the club didn't clock that is staggering, but Kompany out ? No chance

I think the way we romped the Championship bedazzled the board into thinking Kompany could turn water into wine, regardless of who he signed.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:07 pm

I understand the point of keeping kompany because of the players and thinking if we go down he will take us back up again but really kompany would jump the first chance he gets now

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:08 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:07 pm
I think the way we romped the Championship bedazzled the board into thinking Kompany could turn water into wine, regardless of who he signed.

Remember Pace said recently that VK was easy to fall in love with!

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:08 pm

Kompany has come out blaming Var for the result Forrest and Bournemouth

Sure sign he’s starting to feel the pressure.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:10 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:07 pm
I think the way we romped the Championship bedazzled the board into thinking Kompany could turn water into wine, regardless of who he signed.

quite possibly mate. VK is still also only 10 games into managing at this level but his refusal to deal with the glaringly obvious is every bit a bad as Dyche refusing to pick Cork

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:11 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:08 pm
Kompany has come out blaming Var for the result Forrest and Bournemouth

Sure sign he’s starting to feel the pressure.

Forest fair enough but if he’s blaming VAR for today…

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:11 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:04 pm
You genuinely believe being loyal to manager is more important than the future of the club?

I think it’s you that doesn’t understand how business works. Burnley need premier league status simple as that.

The club will do whatever it takes to maintain it. Your naive to think otherwise

It IS the long-term future of the club. Relegation will not end us. We came back stronger and reset. We have a young squad which will grow.

You understand business? IThe business of football is a particular type of business with a very different process for profit and success. He's a key building block. Our squad have been brought in by using his name. No need to completely destabilise everything.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:11 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:11 pm
Forest fair enough but if he’s blaming VAR for today…

"I'm a coach who's had to watch Nott'm Forest handball it, score & then us somehow handball it, score & our goal gets disallowed. I've had the first apology letter. Then the second time (against Bournemouth), what's it going to be?"

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:12 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:11 pm
"I'm a coach who's had to watch Nott'm Forest handball it, score & then us somehow handball it, score & our goal gets disallowed. I've had the first apology letter. Then the second time (against Bournemouth), what's it going to be?"

There won’t be an apology letter because the right decision was made

Oh dear VK