Bournemouth v Burnley - Player Ratings

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:20 pm

Please leave ratings for all players who have played 20 mins or more.

Scoring is from 3 to 10 as follows:

10 - Out of this World
9 - Excellent
8 - Very Good
7 -Good
6 - Average
5 - Below Par
4 - Poor
3 - Abysmal

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:22 pm

This could be interesting

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:24 pm

I'm glad you can't give a score of less than a 3.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:25 pm

That performance on top of the showing at Brentford actually got me to the point of feeling physically sick with anger. I won’t mark ad I don’t do it consistently but just want to say I feel sorry for the fans that travelled and hats of to you.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:25 pm

Claret and Blue touch paper lit.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:26 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:22 pm
This could be interesting

Your not wrong, Moggy.
Done mine, but think I'll sit back & watch the show for a while.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:30 pm

Tomorrow once the anger has subsided a little I may find a 5 somewhere.

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:30 pm

Trafford 5
Vitinho 6
Al Dakhil 5
O Shea 8
Taylor 7
Gudmundsson 7
Cullen 6
Brownhill 6
Koleosho 6
Amdouni 5
Zaroury 5

Subs:
Rodríguez 6
Berge 7
Bruun Larsen 7
Redmond na
Tresor na

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:33 pm

Calamity James 5
Vitinho 5
Al Dakhil 5
O Shea 6
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 6
Cullen 6
Brownhill 4
Koleosho 5
Amdouni 5
Zaroury 5

Subs:
Rodríguez 6
Berge 6
Bruun Larsen 6

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:33 pm

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:30 pm
Trafford 5
Vitinho 6
Al Dakhil 5
O Shea 8
Taylor 7
Gudmundsson 7
Cullen 6
Brownhill 6
Koleosho 6
Amdouni 5
Zaroury 5

Subs:
Rodríguez 6
Berge 7
Bruun Larsen 7
Redmond na
Tresor na

Generous ratings

Bizarre

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:34 pm

Trafford 3 should be able to give 1
Vitinho 3 but better than Trafford. Just
O’Shea 5
AD 4
Taylor 5 inc 1 for goal and -1 for error leading to goal
JGB 4
Brownhill 4
Cullen 4
Koleosho 4
Amdouni 3
Zaroury 3

Berge 3 what a miss
JRod 5 great goal
Redmond 6 great pass fir equalizer

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:35 pm

Trafford 6 busiest player on the pitch
Vitinho 5
Al Dakhil 4
O Shea 6 best so far
Taylor 6*
Gudmundsson 6
Cullen 5
Brownhill 6
Koleosho 6 needs to be on the left
Amdouni 4
Zaroury 5 disappointing

Subs:
Rodríguez 5 even mis hit his “goal”
Berge 6
Bruun Larsen 6

ervi34 · Post by **ervi34** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:35 pm

Trafford - 4
That's enough. Man is a walking liability. Almost conceded a penalty, almost touched the ball outside the box, conceded from the center of the pitch. His distribution is both slow and not precise. A few saves here and there is not enough to bail him.

Taylor - 6
Extra mark for the goal. I think this was actually a reverse performance from him. Usually you would expect him to sky the effort and get rid of the ball when under pressure. Today he scored but also gave one away. Struggled a bit defensively.

O'Shea - 6 MOTM
In the last two games, our best defender which of course doesn't mean much. His tackling and overall defensive reactions are improving but he's still having problems with tracking movement.

AAD - 5
He changed his playstyle which means he is a lot more cautious but that also means he is not looking for progressive passes. He was turned towards our keeper almost every time he received the ball!

Vitinho - 5
He went from solid 7 and possible MOTM contender to a 5 because you can not give a ball away like that. Unfortunately, just not reliable enough which is a shame because he is definitely better going forward than Roberts is.

Cullen - 4
One of his worst performances this season. Second best all game and was completely shut down once he was booked.

Brownhill - 5
A good tackle here and there but just not good enough to control the game at this level.

JBG - 6
I think he did OK and definitely gives us more balance than Amdouni in the same role but his offensive output is really limited.

Zaroury - 4
I wanted to see him start but he was poor today. Probably has something to do with confidence because I remember he tore Aarons apart when we played against Norwich last season. Couldn't take him on today.

Koleosho - 5
Looked lively, no real end product, faded in the second half. Where have I seen that before? Just in every single game he played.

Amdouni - 4
Can't play up top on his own because he simply can't win a single duel.

Subs:

Jay Rod - 4
Can't play at this level anymore. Just shows how poor our transfer window really was when he is the only viable replacement for Foster.

Bruun Larsen - 5
Didn't do anything.

Berge - 6
Solid cameo but has to score.

Kompany - 2
No game plan at all. We are going down if something doesn't improve fast.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:37 pm

Trafford - 5
Vitinho - 4
O’Shea - 6
Al Dakhil- 6
Taylor - 6
Cullen - 6
Brownhill - 5
JBG - 4
Koleosho - 5
Amdouni - 5
Zaroury - 5

Jay - 5
Berge - 5
Larsen - 5

hoskinsgoalatswansea · Post by **hoskinsgoalatswansea** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:39 pm

Trafford - 4
Vitinho - 4
O’Shea - 5
Al Dakhil- 6
Taylor - 6
Cullen - 4
Brownhill - 3
JBG - 3
Koleosho - 4
Amdouni - 4
Zaroury - 4

Jay - 5
Berge - 4
Larsen - 4

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:41 pm

Trafford 4 - kicking gets poorer and poorer and looks like a rabbit in the headlights whenever the ball goes near him.
Vitinho 4 - should be nowhere near the starting 11
O’Shea - 4 as above
Taylor 4 - we need better at this level.
AAD 4 -AAD above
Cullen 4 - miles off it.
JBG 4 - as above
Brownhill 4 as above
Koleosho 4 - not good enough to be starting at this level
Zaroury 4 ineffective
Amdouni 4 ineffective

Subs all 4.

Another dreadful, inept display. Once again a frightening lack of any fight or passion bar the last 5 mins when we seemed to realise they weren’t actually that good.
Stop picking players every who are not up to this level!

Leyland Claret · Post by **Leyland Claret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:47 pm

Trafford 4 - 2nd goal not his fault but he’s hogwash
Vitinho 5 - Had a half decent game then threw that pass in to Billing
O’Shea 7 - Best on show today
Al Dakhil 3 - Rabbit in the headlights
Taylor 6 - Great goal but not a ball playing full back
Koleosho 4 - Had the defender on toast but his final ball is poor. A bit lightweight but he’s only very young
Brownhill 5 - Typical Josh performance. Runs around a lot but provides nothing
Cullen 3 - This is why he has played very little in the Premier League for other teams….he’s rubbish
JBG 5 - Didn’t provide much assistance and his halcyon days are behind him
Zaroury 3 - You would have thought he would be absolutely fired up for his start….very limp performance
Amdouni 3 - Playing as a 9 is not his strength so I have some sympathy but his overall game today was way below

Jay Rod 4 - Didn’t get into the game until that moment
Berge 5 - Not a DM but did try something different. Maybe should have scored at the death
JBL 4 - Again another one that didn’t get into the game
Redmond N/A
Tresor N/A

fungus_the_bogeyman · Post by **fungus_the_bogeyman** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:49 pm

Trafford 4
Vitinho 5
Taylor 6*
Al Dakhil 5
O’Shea 5
Cullen 3
Brownhill 4
Gudmundsson 4
Zaroury 4
Koleosho 4
Amdouni 4

Rodriguez 4
Berge 6
Bruun Larsen 5
Redmond NA - but got to give him a shout out. I thought he was the best player on the pitch when he came on.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:49 pm

Trafford 7 - **MOM** very, very busy and had to deal with a swirling wind, on the whole did well and not convinced he did much wrong for their winner
Vitinho 6 - would have been an 8 but for a horrid error giving it, and the game, away for what must be the 10th time across the team this season
O'Shea 6 - solid and had a good game but passing let him down
Al Dakhil 6 - as with O'Shea, defended fairly well but couldn't cope with their aggressive press
Taylor 7 - a shame to ruin his first goal which was a hip high volley by then giving it away for their equaliser upon which our heads dropped and theirs lifted so it was the vital moment
Cullen 5 - powerpuff and was closed down fiercely whenever he got the ball
Brownhill 5 - absent without leave for much of the game
Koleosho 5 - some good moments but I am bemused why VK is now playing him on a side where he has delivered little game after game
Zaroury 4 - didn't really make any telling contributions at all
Gudmundsson 6 - all over the park at times and did well with his energy, didn't really make any errors but didn't bend the game our way either
Amdouni 4 - cannot easily lead the line which we knew but VK apparently didn't, missed Foster very badly, would have been happy with Amdouni wide or behind

Rodriguez 5 - didn't get in the game but wasn't helped by his mates, class though is permanent and salvaged the game, wrongly given offside having analysed it myself while watching US TV coverage
Berge 7 - made a big difference, power, pace while in possession (though seems to lack it out of possession) and his driving run set up the leveller, robbed for the 2nd time like at Forest
Larsen 5 - quiet but played firstly on the left having done well on the right, it's Vincent okey-cokey
Tresor 5 - may be too few minutes to mark but was quiet
Redmond 7 - not many minutes but made a telling difference and if there is light at the end of the tunnel some of our players look better than anything our rivals have, certainly on their bench

Kompany 4 - I am a big fan, but he has been getting a lot wrong for me, players out of position etc. This needed three authentic midfielders yet Berge and Cork remained on the bench at the start. Koleosho should have been wide left, Berge or JBG wide right with the other central. Jay should have started to help defensively from set pieces. Muric of course we know about, Trafford has done little wrong but beating team's press is proving a problem so surely we need our best passers in there? At the end our team looked way better than at the start, that is unfathomable and if we ignore the conspiracy theorists speculating players being guaranteed a place it leaves what for me is the most likely outcome which is that VK is struggling to figure out how to manage a big squad of similar talent while delivering on the pitch from game 1 and while figuring out how his style works when we are not dominant, as we never will be away and won't be at home against the top half sides.

BUT he has to stay long term. He will learn fast and WE have to benefit from that, not another team, even if we go down (which I doubt).

A word on Bournemouth, I think they will finish below us but were plucky albeit limited and their aggressive press, sprinting and constant effort I thought did them credit, it caused us a lot of problems in possession and deservedly won them the game. If they had sat off us it would have been a very different result, a win to us.

The VAR thing - a total farce. The freeze frame on Peacock initially without the lines implied the guy on the far side was playing Jay on, based on the cut of the pitch. The line then showed green, onside, after 4 minutes, but Jay's head looked suspiciously past the line. Then a new line appeared from another angle showing him off, but that angle was nowhere near level with play, it was nearer the corner flag. Our momentum was then dead, 5 minutes hanging around on a cold evening. So the whole thing was a joke, we've been stitched up for the second time against a rival, keep looking for new camera angles until one shows we were offside, however long it takes. That proves VAR is subjective, not factual, and should be binned ASAP. Sorry to add the diatribe to my ratings but saves my posting elsewhere too.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:50 pm

Trafford 5 - gets a hand to the ball so should save it, did alright apart from that
Vitinho 3 - absolute travesty this guy is starting at this level
O’Shea 5 - defended the box ok
AAD 5 - defended the box ok
Taylor 4 - plus one for the goal
Cullen 4 - not a patch on the Cullen at this ground last season
Brownhill 4 - kept losing the ball time after time
JBG 5 - at least showed a bit of composure
Koleosho 4 - loses the ball far too often and despite his best performances coming on the left, starts on the right
Zaroury 4 - see Cullen
Amdouni 4 - so talented on the ball so it’s a shame we couldn’t find his feet once

Berge 6 - should have started in RCM
Rodriguez 5 - linked it ok but isn’t the answer?

Kompany 3 - keeps getting the 11 wrong

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:55 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:49 pm
Trafford 7 - **MOM** very, very busy and had to deal with a swirling wind, on the whole did well and not convinced he did much wrong for their winner

Are you his nan or something? Man of the match!? Hell fire

Luppy · Post by **Luppy** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:00 pm

Our ball retention is nothing short of embarrassing. Both goals again come from us giving ball away in middle of the park. How many times we going to do it before we wake up and smell the coffee?

Trafford - 5 - left in no man’s land for second. Lucky with the potential handball

Vitinho - 4 - utter panic led to 2nd goal
OShea - 6
Al Dakhil - 6
Taylor - 5 - poor mistake led to equaliser

Cullen - 5 - early booking hampered him
Brownhill - 4 - he gave the ball away time and again - woeful
JBG - 6* - only calm head we had

Koleosho- 5 - threatened for 20 minutes then disappeared - there’s a pattern forming
Amdouni - 5 - showed some nice touches but fed off scraps
Zaroury - 5 - rusty

Jay - 6 - at least tried to link up play and robbed of a goal
Berge - 6 - looked his most comfortable yet
Laarsen- 5 - what studs did he have in? Spent more time on his backside than on his feet

We can’t carry on with this utter blind faith that things will be fine. Keeper has to go for me - I don’t doubt he’s a good keeper but his confidence must be shattered. We’ve a soft centre - don’t know how we resolve that with the players available. Cork back in next game maybe with Cullen suspended?

Don’t let the disallowed goal deflect from what was a god awful performance, second half particularly

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:05 pm

Can’t believe people are saying Trafford not at fault for winner. Please explain why he was taking a stroll 30 or 40 yards out of his goal. Unbelievable. If he had been properly positioned it would have been like a back pass. Cost us 2 points without a doubt and gifted 2 to a relegation rival.

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:07 pm

30 or 40 yards?

Beagleheart · Post by **Beagleheart** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:07 pm

Trafford - 4
Vitinho - 4
O’Shea - 6
Al Dakhil- 6
Taylor - 6
Cullen - 3
Brownhill - 3
JBG - 5
Koleosho - 4
Amdouni - 3
Zaroury - 4

Jay - 5
Berge - 4
Larsen - 5

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:08 pm

Trafford 5
Vitinho 3
O’Shea 6
Al-Dakhil 4
Taylor 5
Cullen 3
Brownhill 3
Koleosho 4
Guðmundsson 5
Zaroury 3
Amdouni 4

Rodriguez 5
Berge 5
Bruun Larsen 4

I didn’t think we could be worse than last week but we were and against a downright shocking team.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:08 pm

Trafford 4 - Everything that can be said has already been said
Vitinho 5 - Minus one, was mom until the disposession lead to the goal
O’Shea 5 - A very poor mans Kev Long
Al Dakhil 4 - Send him to an NFL S&C coach for a season. Think my 14 yr old niece could muscle him off the ball
Taylor 6 - Dependable, OOohhh Charlie Taylor
Cullen 4 - Horrid today but doesn't get much help in there
Brownhill 4 - Struggled today
JBG 6 - He actually played quite well
Koleosho 4 - I don't rate him sorry. Not ready for the big time yet.
Amdouni 5 - Has obvious quality but just can't seem to get it together for a game
Zaroury 4 - Agreed rusty

Jay 6 - Very unlucky to have that goal chalked off.
Berge 6 - managed to impose himself a bit but really don't like him as a sitting midfielder
Larsen 5 - played on the wrong wing for me, still believe he deserves a start

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:09 pm

Trafford 5
Vitinho 5
Al Dakhil 5
O Shea 7 - motm by a distance and only because he won headers, shows how desperate the rest were
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 3
Cullen 4
Brownhill 4
Koleosho 4
Amdouni 5
Zaroury 3 - can't have any complaints that he doesn't play after that
J-Rod 5
Berge 5
Larsen 4

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:17 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:49 pm
Trafford 7 - **MOM** very, very busy and had to deal with a swirling wind, on the whole did well and not convinced he did much wrong for their winner
Vitinho 6 - would have been an 8 but for a horrid error giving it, and the game, away for what must be the 10th time across the team this season
O'Shea 6 - solid and had a good game but passing let him down
Al Dakhil 6 - as with O'Shea, defended fairly well but couldn't cope with their aggressive press
Taylor 7 - a shame to ruin his first goal which was a hip high volley by then giving it away for their equaliser upon which our heads dropped and theirs lifted so it was the vital moment
Cullen 5 - powerpuff and was closed down fiercely whenever he got the ball
Brownhill 5 - absent without leave for much of the game
Koleosho 5 - some good moments but I am bemused why VK is now playing him on a side where he has delivered little game after game
Zaroury 4 - didn't really make any telling contributions at all
Gudmundsson 6 - all over the park at times and did well with his energy, didn't really make any errors but didn't bend the game our way either
Amdouni 4 - cannot easily lead the line which we knew but VK apparently didn't, missed Foster very badly, would have been happy with Amdouni wide or behind

Rodriguez 5 - didn't get in the game but wasn't helped by his mates, class though is permanent and salvaged the game, wrongly given offside having analysed it myself while watching US TV coverage
Berge 7 - made a big difference, power, pace while in possession (though seems to lack it out of possession) and his driving run set up the leveller, robbed for the 2nd time like at Forest
Larsen 5 - quiet but played firstly on the left having done well on the right, it's Vincent okey-cokey
Tresor 5 - may be too few minutes to mark but was quiet
Redmond 7 - not many minutes but made a telling difference and if there is light at the end of the tunnel some of our players look better than anything our rivals have, certainly on their bench

Kompany 4 - I am a big fan, but he has been getting a lot wrong for me, players out of position etc. This needed three authentic midfielders yet Berge and Cork remained on the bench at the start. Koleosho should have been wide left, Berge or JBG wide right with the other central. Jay should have started to help defensively from set pieces. Muric of course we know about, Trafford has done little wrong but beating team's press is proving a problem so surely we need our best passers in there? At the end our team looked way better than at the start, that is unfathomable and if we ignore the conspiracy theorists speculating players being guaranteed a place it leaves what for me is the most likely outcome which is that VK is struggling to figure out how to manage a big squad of similar talent while delivering on the pitch from game 1 and while figuring out how his style works when we are not dominant, as we never will be away and won't be at home against the top half sides.

BUT he has to stay long term. He will learn fast and WE have to benefit from that, not another team, even if we go down (which I doubt).

A word on Bournemouth, I think they will finish below us but were plucky albeit limited and their aggressive press, sprinting and constant effort I thought did them credit, it caused us a lot of problems in possession and deservedly won them the game. If they had sat off us it would have been a very different result, a win to us.

The VAR thing - a total farce. The freeze frame on Peacock initially without the lines implied the guy on the far side was playing Jay on, based on the cut of the pitch. The line then showed green, onside, after 4 minutes, but Jay's head looked suspiciously past the line. Then a new line appeared from another angle showing him off, but that angle was nowhere near level with play, it was nearer the corner flag. Our momentum was then dead, 5 minutes hanging around on a cold evening. So the whole thing was a joke, we've been stitched up for the second time against a rival, keep looking for new camera angles until one shows we were offside, however long it takes. That proves VAR is subjective, not factual, and should be binned ASAP. Sorry to add the diatribe to my ratings but saves my posting elsewhere too.

Reading your comments I imagine your a positive sort of guy ,but how you can give James Trafford the man of the match is astonishing,and how you can mark anyone above 5 is also astonishing.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:20 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:05 pm
Can’t believe people are saying Trafford not at fault for winner. Please explain why he was taking a stroll 30 or 40 yards out of his goal. Unbelievable. If he had been properly positioned it would have been like a back pass. Cost us 2 points without a doubt and gifted 2 to a relegation rival.

We play a sweeper keeper system - he was correctly positioned.

Muric played exactly the same last season

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:20 pm

Trafford - 5
Vitinho - 5
O’Shea - 5
Al Dakhil- 5
Taylor - 6
Cullen - 4
Brownhill - 4
JBG - 5
Koleosho - 4
Amdouni - 4
Zaroury - 4

Jay - 5 Inc one for his goal
Berge - 6
Larsen - 4

Disjointed throughout, other than a move early second half and one for the 'goal' late 2nd half.

Trafford far too slow. Inaccurate when he kicks long. Regulation saves and a couple of flaps. Should have saved the winner.

Rest could not any rhythm and played each other into trouble

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:22 pm

Trafford 5
Vitinho 3
O’Shea 6
Al-Dakhil 4
Taylor 6 **

Cullen 4
Brownhill 5
Koleosho 4
Guðmundsson 5
Zaroury 3
Amdouni 3

Rodriguez 5
Berge 6
Bruun Larsen 4

Against possibly the worst side we've played in the league so far this season, we deserved to lose.
Our players confidence is pretty thin all over at the mo. You can see all the hesitation in the numerous misplaced passes all over.
VK needs to really earn his money about now.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:22 pm

Trafford 4 - Some of the comments about his distribution are a bit over the top but he does look like someone who should be second choice and drip fed some first team games.

Vitinho 4 - Was barely good enough last season. No way on earth he should be anywhere near a Premier League eleven. I swear I've seen more comments from him about getting in the Brazil squad than the amount of good games he's actually had for us.

O’Shea 5 - Sort of vaguely competent today but I hope he's getting his agent a stupendous Xmas present.

Al-Dakhil 5 - Okay I suppose but a shadow of last season. Shouldn't be a starter.

Taylor 4 - Only playing because he is quite literally the only option.

Cullen 4 - Small, frail, panicked and poor.

Brownhill 4 - A Championship midfielder but then we all knew that. Lines up to take a set piece like he's David Beckham. Then he takes it like he's David Mitchell.

Gudmundsson 4 - It's a stark and sad sign of our summer window that he's still playing. Wasn't good enough two seasons ago, and not good enough now.

Koleosho 4 - Should not be our first choice winger by any stretch at his age and experience.

Zaroury 4 - What on earth.

Amdouni 4 - Nope. Should barely be making the squad for a few weeks.

Berge 5 - I mean, sort of okay? By his and the team's crazily low standards.

Rodriguez 5 - Insane that he's our second choice striker. I'm not counting Amdouni because I'm not convinced he is one. Not good enough two seasons ago, not good last season and not good enough now.

Kompany 3 - Was there at any point today any sort of tactical plan? Did we identify and try and exploit Bournemouth's weaknesses? I might be dim but I certainly didn't see it.

My head's mangled coz last season was one of the best supporting Burnley. Not just the results but the swagger to go with it. I'm not expecting us to roll teams over like last season, not by any stretch of the imagination. But we aren't even worthy of sides putting a bit of graft in to beating us. Sides stroll through us week in, week out. It was Bournemouth and they battered us.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:25 pm

Trafford 4
Vitinho 5
Taylor 5
Al Dakhil 5
O’Shea 5*
Cullen 3
Brownhill 4
Gudmundsson 5
Zaroury 4
Koleosho 4
Amdouni 3

Rodriguez 4
Berge 5
Bruun Larsen 5

Another unacceptable performance against a really poor side. The alarm bells should well and truely be ringing with regards to the lowest points tally. We are simply so uncompetitive it's untrue currently and seemingly getting worse.
We have to start by playing players in their correct position to at least give us some hope

PhiladelphiaChris · Post by **PhiladelphiaChris** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:33 pm

Trafford 5
Vitinho 5
O’Shea 6
Al-Dakhil 5
Taylor 6
Cullen 4
Brownhill 5
Koleosho 6
Guðmundsson 6
Zaroury 4
Amdouni 4

Rodriguez 5
Berge 6
Bruun Larsen 6

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:40 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:20 pm
We play a sweeper keeper system - he was correctly positioned.

Muric played exactly the same last season

He stood still for about 3/4 seconds after Billing started driving then started backpedalling once the ball had already been released.

Didn't the same happen in preseason as well?

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:42 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:20 pm
Trafford - 5
Vitinho - 5
O’Shea - 5
Al Dakhil- 5
Taylor - 6
Cullen - 4
Brownhill - 4
JBG - 5
Koleosho - 4
Amdouni - 4
Zaroury - 4

Jay - 5 Inc one for his goal
Berge - 6
Larsen - 4

Disjointed throughout, other than a move early second half and one for the 'goal' late 2nd half.

Trafford far too slow. Inaccurate when he kicks long. Regulation saves and a couple of flaps. Should have saved the winner.

Rest could not any rhythm and played each other into trouble

Trafford's long pass/ball accuracy today was 5/27 ( 19%). It's absolutely killing us imo because we constantly turn the ball over

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:47 pm

Trafford 5
Vitinho 5
O’Shea 6
Al-Dakhil 5
Taylor 5
Cullen 3
Brownhill 4
Koleosho 4
Guðmundsson 4
Zaroury 4
Amdouni 3

Rodriguez 5
Berge 5
Bruun Larsen 5

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:58 pm

Don’t really know how to put into words how disappointing that was.

The set up of the team is all wrong. The recruitment in the summer is looking poorer and poorer by the game and we keep making the same types of mistakes over and over again.

Trafford 4
Vitinho 5
O’Shea 4
Al-Dakhil 4
Taylor 6
Cullen 3 and a very generous one at that. Absolutely woeful.
Brownhill 3 - hide and seek champion 2023
Gudmundsson 5
Koleosho 5
Zaroury 4
Amdouni 4

Rodriguez 4
Berge 6
Larsen 5

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:05 pm

Trafford 4 just doesn't inspire confidence, to young and not physical enough opposition know just pressurise him and a mistake will follow.
Vitinho 3 dreadful couldn't find his own backside with both his hands
O’Shea 6 mom, showed some fight
Al-Dakhil 3 rabbit in headlights
Taylor 5 plus 1 for the goal
Cullen 3 to small just gets bullied
Brownhill 4 tried
Koleosho 3 wrong wing and it showed.
Guðmundsson 4 so wasteful and no impact
Zaroury 3 because you cannot give less, shadow of the player we signed.
Amdouni 3 was he playing ?

Rodriguez 5 nice finish zero service
Berge 5 showed some glimpses
Bruun Larsen 4

Kompany 0 again, got his team selection and tactics all wrong again. Worrying.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:31 pm

Took a bit of time away to compose myself:

Trafford 4 - Did well prior to the goal, or at least far better than people are making out. Vitinho gives the ball away but that goal is Trafford’s fault for me. He got his hand to it so he should easily have been able to palm it left or right.

Vitinho 4 - Was on for a solid 6 before giving the ball away in a suicidal manner for the winner. Had been one of the few players prior to that who had been relatively OK.

O’Shea 4 - Can’t head the ball forwards, crap distribution but decent on the multitude of set pieces. He is a big standard Championship defender and not one that would grace a promotion chasing team. An absolute fraud at this level and £7m down the drain.

Al-Dakhil 3 - I thought he was absolutely shocking today abd he’s been poor for weeks. He has no confidence and looks like he’s playing an age level above his years. Shouldn’t be in the team currently but Delcroix looks even worse so what option do we have?

Taylor 4 - Good finish for the goal and is certainly a trier, but he’s a fish out of water at this level WHEN playing this awful system. If we adopted a low block/pragmatic approach to defending (which we should, as our personnel cannot play a purists game in this league - people need to accept that) he’d immediately be at home. Terrible on the first goal.

Cullen 3 - Such a massive fan of him last season but he’s seriously struggling. Its a monumental step up and he’s unfortunately looking well off the requirement. Looks tired also.

Brownhill 3 - Offered absolutely nothing both ways. Didn’t help Cullen or the defence in protecting, didn’t run with the ball, didn’t press. Did nothing I would expect from Brownhill basically. He’s never been the best footballer but he was always a 10/10 for effort, not today.

JBG 4 - Didn’t give us the level of performance I had hoped and expected from and didn’t seem fully fit.

Zaroury 3 - I have been desperate for him to play but he was absolutely non-descript. Lost the ball repeatedly, barely ran. You’d think he would be desperate to impress - clearly not.

Koleosho 3 - Beat his man a couple of times first half before giving the ball away. Was utterly invisible second half to the point I thought he had been subbed when he hadn’t. Should be nowhere near a starting eleven in this league at his age on the basis of what we see.

Amdouni 3 - I’d give him less if I could. Offers us nothing most weeks but every now and then you see a lovely touch and a bit of clever movement, it’s just not enough. Cannot play through the middle up top as he can’t win a header or hold the ball up. He can’t play as a ‘ten’ because our team is too crap to play with one. Terrible signing on the basis of what we’ve seen so far - and now 1 goal in 9 games in the league.

Subs

All 5

Terrible day all in all and severe questions continue to be asked over the car crash of a summer window. We’re looking like beating Derby’s points haul would be an achievement. Unreal.

ChristheViking · Post by **ChristheViking** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:40 pm

Trafford - 6 - made some decent saves. Will be questioned over the 2nd goal but I guess he, like us, didn't think Vitinho was that stupid. I've not been on the train to replace him with Muric - but it may now be worth a look.

Vitinho - 4 we've done some really poor business this off-season. Giving him a 4 year extension has to be up there with the worst decisions. Responsible for goal 2. As bad as Roberts has been he's straight back in this side after suspension.
O'Shea - 5 - less bad than he's been but will be out of this side in a flash once possible.
Al-Dakhil - 3 - he's nervous and he's making everyone else nervous. He may be out of this side before O'Shea and that's some achievement.
Taylor - 5 - yes a lovely goal but then cancels it out at the other end by poor decision-making. Responsible for goal 1.

Cullen - 4 - Cork needs to be at Kompany's door on Monday morning. Would not be any worse.
Brownhill - 4 - can tweet all he wants about how it will all be alright. Do something now. Could have zero arguments being dropped.

JBG - 5 - an odd glimpse but nowhere near what we need
Zaroury - 3 - so wasteful in possession. He starts a lot of problems.
Koleosho - 7 - the one bright spark. At least he had a go at his man and beat him. Not his fault we didn't have a striker.

Amdouni - 3. We should know by now he is not a #9. He's not cut out for that but without Foster we keep hammering this square peg into the round hole and expecting a different outcome.

J-Rod - 5 - a decent finish that should have stood.
Berge - 7 - we looked better with him although he should score
JBL - 5 didn't do great in the little time he got but he starts for me.

First half we did ok and were in the game. The goal conceded is very disappointing because yet again we shoot ourselves in the foot. 2nd half was as rancid as it gets. We couldn't string passes together. We constantly have to go back to Trafford and then it's a turnover. We are losing every midfield battle and we will never keep a clean sheet in this division with that back 4. Two bone-headed decisions by our full-backs have resulted in two goals.

Yes we have been F**ked over by VAR. But that 2nd half performance isn't good enough. Not even close. He's chopping and changing every week trying to find the right mix. That may have to continue because the ones being given their chance are doing nothing with it.

We're in trouble. We can get out of it but we have to stop beating ourselves first. We haven't kept a league clean sheet all season and we don't score many - do the maths. This was a must-not-lose game. We lost it.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:42 pm

I used the term 'soft touch' last week and that's exactly what we saw again today

Trafford-3 There is no stability in the team and much of that emanates from the keeper. Jittery and everything appears rushed.
Vitinho- 4 out of his depth at this level
Al Dakhil-4 Bullied easily and decision making poor
O'Shea - 3 A truly shocking performance. Got moved around and his lack of pace was exposed regularly.
Taylor-4 Great goal was the highlight for him. Ball retention and passing left a lot to be desired.
Gudmundsson -3 Well off the pace. Totally ineffectual on his return.
Cullen -3 A trier but this level of football.is beyond his capabilities.
Brownhill -3 Bad day for him. Passing sloppy, tackling non-existent and ball retention of a park player. Just not up to this level unfortunately
Zaroury -4 One or two nice touches but got frustrated in the 2nd half when the ball was just being booted upfield( especially from Trafford).
Amdouni-3 A lightweight on his own up front. Who decided that?
Koleosho- 3 A gamble that doesn't look like paying off. Great speed but doesn't seem to know how to use it.

Subs: J Rod -4 Scored what I thought was a good goal but the reality is he has very little to offer.
Berge - 6 Instrumental in our best move and unlucky at the end. Should be starting
Were Larsen and Tresor on long enough to score points? More to the point did Tresor touch the ball?

I've watched football for a very long time but honestly cannot see a way forward from this. Their defence was as poor as ours but we never got close enough regularly to show it up.

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:52 pm

That was really, really bad and though Bournemouth are clearly a poor side, they were miles ahead of us.

Trafford - 4
Vitinho - 5
O'Shea - 6
Al Dakhil - 5
Taylor - 5
JBG - 5
Cullen - 4
Brownhill - 3
Zaroury - 3
Amdouni - 4
Koleosho - 4

Jay rod - 5
Berge - 6

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:02 pm

Trafford 5
Vitinho 4
O’Shea 5
Al-Dakhil 4
Taylor 5
Cullen 3
Brownhill 3
Gudmundsson 5
Koleosho 4
Zaroury 4
Amdouni 4

Rodriguez 4
Berge 6
Larsen 5

Calling all cars.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:06 pm

Trafford 4
Vitinho 5
O'Shea 6
Al-Dakhil 4
Taylor 6
JBG 5
Cullen 4
Brownhill 4
Zaroury 3
Amdouni 4
Koleosho 4

Rodriguez 4
Berge 6

We look frightened.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:21 pm

Trafford 4
Vitinho 3
O’Shea 5
Al-Dakhil 4
Taylor 5
Cullen 3
Brownhill 3
Koleosho 3
Guðmundsson 4
Zaroury 3
Amdouni 3

Rodriguez 3
Berge 5
Bruun Larsen 4

As bad as I’ve seen live in any division, tactically inept, no physicality in the team at all ,got to question commitment also , wish I hadn’t have bothered,seriously taking the edge of one of the best seasons ever last season, can’t see anyway out of it.

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:28 pm

ervi34 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:35 pm
Trafford - 4
That's enough. Man is a walking liability. Almost conceded a penalty, almost touched the ball outside the box, conceded from the center of the pitch. His distribution is both slow and not precise. A few saves here and there is not enough to bail him.

Taylor - 6
Extra mark for the goal. I think this was actually a reverse performance from him. Usually you would expect him to sky the effort and get rid of the ball when under pressure. Today he scored but also gave one away. Struggled a bit defensively.

O'Shea - 6 MOTM
In the last two games, our best defender which of course doesn't mean much. His tackling and overall defensive reactions are improving but he's still having problems with tracking movement.

AAD - 5
He changed his playstyle which means he is a lot more cautious but that also means he is not looking for progressive passes. He was turned towards our keeper almost every time he received the ball!

Vitinho - 5
He went from solid 7 and possible MOTM contender to a 5 because you can not give a ball away like that. Unfortunately, just not reliable enough which is a shame because he is definitely better going forward than Roberts is.

Cullen - 4
One of his worst performances this season. Second best all game and was completely shut down once he was booked.

Brownhill - 5
A good tackle here and there but just not good enough to control the game at this level.

JBG - 6
I think he did OK and definitely gives us more balance than Amdouni in the same role but his offensive output is really limited.

Zaroury - 4
I wanted to see him start but he was poor today. Probably has something to do with confidence because I remember he tore Aarons apart when we played against Norwich last season. Couldn't take him on today.

Koleosho - 5
Looked lively, no real end product, faded in the second half. Where have I seen that before? Just in every single game he played.

Amdouni - 4
Can't play up top on his own because he simply can't win a single duel.

Subs:

Jay Rod - 4
Can't play at this level anymore. Just shows how poor our transfer window really was when he is the only viable replacement for Foster.

Bruun Larsen - 5
Didn't do anything.

Berge - 6
Solid cameo but has to score.

Kompany - 2
No game plan at all. We are going down if something doesn't improve fas

correct ref Aarons, Anas ripped him one least year at the turf, player had to swap wings and eventually subbed

Neil · Post by **Neil** » Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:55 pm

ervi34 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:35 pm
Trafford - 4
That's enough. Man is a walking liability. Almost conceded a penalty, almost touched the ball outside the box, conceded from the center of the pitch. His distribution is both slow and not precise. A few saves here and there is not enough to bail him.

Taylor - 6
Extra mark for the goal. I think this was actually a reverse performance from him. Usually you would expect him to sky the effort and get rid of the ball when under pressure. Today he scored but also gave one away. Struggled a bit defensively.

O'Shea - 6 MOTM
In the last two games, our best defender which of course doesn't mean much. His tackling and overall defensive reactions are improving but he's still having problems with tracking movement.

AAD - 5
He changed his playstyle which means he is a lot more cautious but that also means he is not looking for progressive passes. He was turned towards our keeper almost every time he received the ball!

Vitinho - 5
He went from solid 7 and possible MOTM contender to a 5 because you can not give a ball away like that. Unfortunately, just not reliable enough which is a shame because he is definitely better going forward than Roberts is.

Cullen - 4
One of his worst performances this season. Second best all game and was completely shut down once he was booked.

Brownhill - 5
A good tackle here and there but just not good enough to control the game at this level.

JBG - 6
I think he did OK and definitely gives us more balance than Amdouni in the same role but his offensive output is really limited.

Zaroury - 4
I wanted to see him start but he was poor today. Probably has something to do with confidence because I remember he tore Aarons apart when we played against Norwich last season. Couldn't take him on today.

Koleosho - 5
Looked lively, no real end product, faded in the second half. Where have I seen that before? Just in every single game he played.

Amdouni - 4
Can't play up top on his own because he simply can't win a single duel.

Subs:

Jay Rod - 4
Can't play at this level anymore. Just shows how poor our transfer window really was when he is the only viable replacement for Foster.

Bruun Larsen - 5
Didn't do anything.

Berge - 6
Solid cameo but has to score.

Kompany - 2
No game plan at all. We are going down if something doesn't improve fast.

I'm a fan of your formatting. Very easy to read.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Oct 29, 2023 2:56 pm

From tv and having waited 24 hours after the disappointment of another very poor, disorganised performance.
Trafford 5 I think he needs taking out of the firing line for his own sake now.
Vitihno 5 he wasn't playing that badly until he gave the ball away for their crazy second goal. I will simply repeat what I have said many times on here "he is not a defensive full back".
ALD 4 he is looking shell shocked, though he and the rest of the defence are getting no protection from our socalled midfield.
O'Shea 6 one of his slightly better games
Taylor 6 worked hard and at least showed the forwards how to shoot.
JBG 6 at least he made several passes to Burnley players.
Cullen 4 too light weight on his own for the PL.
Brownhill 4 a few decent tackles but largely anonimous.
Koleosho 4 two good runs to the bye-line, then disappeared as usual.
Amdouni 4 he is not a centre forward.
Zaroury 4 I have been asking for his return but he was poor. He just seems to have lost his confidence.
Jayrod 6 a couple of good layoffs and then unlucky with his 'goal'.
Berge 6 some decent link up passes and unlucky not to score.

This game looked like a contest between two average Championship teams with the home team fighting for everything and the away team looking like they didn't expect anything from the game.
My biggest concern now is that this young, totally disjointed group of players will start to lose heart with the task that is ahead of them. VK and his team need change things radically and quickly otherwise Turf Moor could become a difficult place for our team to play at.